Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Tim Sheens]

I vote for rick ansley for next coach
Cause he will never give you up

He is never gonna let you down
He wont ever turn around or desert you

Close, but it was Rick Astley.

 

[WT2K]

I vote for rick ansley for next coach
Cause he will never give you up

He is never gonna let you down
He wont ever turn around or desert you

https://youtu.be/IO9XlQrEt2Y

 

[pedrolaurie]

Madge must drop or at least bench Tamou this weekend. He is not up the speed and intensity of 1st grade at the moment. His first carry against souths took him 5m backwards. He is the biggest guy in our team and should be bowling people over each week. He might find something playing off the bench and without the burden of captaincy.
If Madge wants to win more than 1 game for the rest of the year he needs to do this, but something tells me the politics of dropping the guy you named as captain at the start of the year would be admitting he'd wasted the season thus far.
Unless he is inspiring the rest of the guys on the field telepathically I see no game leadership from him.

 

[pedrolaurie]

Make Douehi captain and be done with it.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Make Douehi captain and be done with it.

Doueihi must learn to defend. He's a very good player but you can hardly have as captain a player with such a basic but significant weakness.

 

[851]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.


God help us if Sheens has much influence in coaching.He was sacked here and had a low percentage win rate in ESL.As long as he stays where he is supposed to be in pathways he should be ok

**the two seasons prior to being sacked we finished top 4.** In UK his win record has been 58%.

So why was he sacked?
I honestly can’t remember, too long ago, I remember it wasn’t pleasant and most were pleased. I thought it was results driven?
I do think he’s been away from the NRL scene too long to offer much in the way of game day tactics, but he will still know what a good player looks like?

We were favs to win in 2012 (the year he was sacked) and when we didn't make the 8 he was ditched. He'd been here for 10 years and our expectations that year were to win it.

He's coached over 650 NRL games and has still been involved in the game since he left here. In many ways the way the game is currently played is a perfect match for his style of coaching. I think he'd be the sort of coach that could get us on the right track pretty quickly.

Are you now saying you want him as coach?

As i've previously mentioned, my preference would be to have someone like Gardiner/Ciraldo/Morris take over the head coaching role with Sheens sitting above as Coaching Director.

But surely you will agree that a coaching director will be the coach, while the poor coach will basically be the assistant but cop the blame when the directors plans go awry?

Not necessarily, depends on how it's structured. But if Sheens was made head coach i'd have no major issues with that either, provided a succession plan was in place.

We're at a place now where we make a change or just blindly hope that Madge can improve the team.

So blindly hoping Tim can is better?
You don’t think the players are letting the team down, at all?

When you're on a downward trajectory like us, sticking with the status quo and hoping for it to turn around is blind hope. Is it blind hope to think Sheens can do better? In his 3rd season with us he won a premiership, whilst in Madge's 3rd season he's trying to avoid the spoon.

As for the players, I think a lot of them are an embarrassment, but when you sign a coaching contract you have to get the best out of the players you've got. He's also signed a number of players so it's not entirely Cleary's dud roster anymore (which Madge still got to 9th). A really good coach can adapt his style to suit the playing group he's got. I haven't seen any evidence of him adapting whatsoever.

So what is your strategy for success, is it to roll over the roster until he finally gets a team that can play for him? And is that practical? You asked me earlier why we got rid of Sheens. Why did Souths get rid of Madge?

Roll over the roster until you get a team that can play for Wests Tigers and not just bludge to get their pay packet. Madge should say a few more things like his we need men comment, this would further help identify those players with a bad attitude.

Hypothetically, in your opinion, how many of the 30 would you need to be rolled over for him to finally get the team he needs to be competitive?

As many as it takes. It’s not what Madge needs to be competitive it’s what Wests Tigers need to be competitive. This player crap has been going on for over 10 years now, long before Madge, and it has to stop. The players and the player culture is the problem and the players need to held accountable.

So you're willing to give him another 3-5 years to clear out the rosterf completely??

Whatever it takes to fix the culture and have players be held to account. It’s not giving Madge another 3-5 years it’s giving the club time to get its house in order and get rid of this poisonous attitude that percolates through the successive playing groups.

And that's fair enough, I just don't think Madge is the man who can fix it.

The club as a whole needs to fix it. It’s not just the coach. Like I said this has been happening for over a decade and through successive coaches . It needs to be a team approach through all aspects of the organisation. That goes for the Board, staff (both corporate and football) and players. Anyone who allows the players to perpetuate the poor attitude needs to go along with the player(s).

I think we are making very good progress with pathways and I think Pascoe was very proactive getting Sheens on board. I think as a club we're moving in the right direction in all ways except on field. My opinion is Madge is the weak link, but happy to be proven wrong.

100% my opinion too, we are making progress, but on the field where it counts we are sliding down hill, and that is on the first grade coach, it's not year 1, it's year 3, and we have gotten worse each year

 

[851]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

**Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.**

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.

That was my fear when we signed Madge, yes he won the comp at Souths in 2014, but things turned sour pretty quickly afterwards, finishing 7th in 2015, 12th in 2016 and 12th in 2017.
**Talk of player unrest surfaced early in 2016**, the noise was deafening by 2017, and he was sacked, history is repeating it self, only we didn't get any success out of his stay.

Yet Tim was dumped by us, but you are happy to accept him back?

There it is again, "talk of player unrest", we need to be rid of that sort of thing, players get paid to play not play politics.

I didn't say I want Tim back, I said I want Madge gone, I don't want Tim anywhere near coaching, the same with Madge, I would like a new coach now so he can spend some of this money that Madge can't give away

 

[pedrolaurie]

{{{{{{Doueihi must learn to defend. He’s a very good player but you can hardly have as captain a player with such a basic but significant weakness.}}}}}}


Fair comment, but he is hardly the worst in our team. True that last week didn't flatter him at all, but you can't deny the guy has the most inspiring presence, the talent and the heart above any other player.

 

[pedrolaurie]

Also for me it's more about handing the captaincy to someone you want in the team week to week. Tamou can't start next game if Madge is being serious. Who was the last captain we had that made our club proud he was our captain? Was Farah the last?

 

[851]

Also for me it's more about handing the captaincy to someone you want in the team week to week. Tamou can't start next game if Madge is being serious. Who was the last captain we had that made our club proud he was our captain? Was Farah the last?

Mbye and Tamau have been ordinary for sure, neither have got dropped, both deserved to though, again, accountability, but not for everyone

 

[avocadoontoast]

Also for me it's more about handing the captaincy to someone you want in the team week to week. Tamou can't start next game if Madge is being serious. Who was the last captain we had that made our club proud he was our captain? Was Farah the last?

Mbye and Tamau have been ordinary for sure, neither have got dropped, both deserved to though, again, accountability, but not for everyone

If Mbye, Tamou or Nofo are in tomorrow’s lineup there are big problems.

 

[frullens]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.


God help us if Sheens has much influence in coaching.He was sacked here and had a low percentage win rate in ESL.As long as he stays where he is supposed to be in pathways he should be ok

**the two seasons prior to being sacked we finished top 4.** In UK his win record has been 58%.

So why was he sacked?
I honestly can’t remember, too long ago, I remember it wasn’t pleasant and most were pleased. I thought it was results driven?
I do think he’s been away from the NRL scene too long to offer much in the way of game day tactics, but he will still know what a good player looks like?

We were favs to win in 2012 (the year he was sacked) and when we didn't make the 8 he was ditched. He'd been here for 10 years and our expectations that year were to win it.

He's coached over 650 NRL games and has still been involved in the game since he left here. In many ways the way the game is currently played is a perfect match for his style of coaching. I think he'd be the sort of coach that could get us on the right track pretty quickly.

Are you now saying you want him as coach?

As i've previously mentioned, my preference would be to have someone like Gardiner/Ciraldo/Morris take over the head coaching role with Sheens sitting above as Coaching Director.

But surely you will agree that a coaching director will be the coach, while the poor coach will basically be the assistant but cop the blame when the directors plans go awry?

Not necessarily, depends on how it's structured. But if Sheens was made head coach i'd have no major issues with that either, provided a succession plan was in place.

We're at a place now where we make a change or just blindly hope that Madge can improve the team.

So blindly hoping Tim can is better?
You don’t think the players are letting the team down, at all?

When you're on a downward trajectory like us, sticking with the status quo and hoping for it to turn around is blind hope. Is it blind hope to think Sheens can do better? In his 3rd season with us he won a premiership, whilst in Madge's 3rd season he's trying to avoid the spoon.

As for the players, I think a lot of them are an embarrassment, but when you sign a coaching contract you have to get the best out of the players you've got. He's also signed a number of players so it's not entirely Cleary's dud roster anymore (which Madge still got to 9th). A really good coach can adapt his style to suit the playing group he's got. I haven't seen any evidence of him adapting whatsoever.

So what is your strategy for success, is it to roll over the roster until he finally gets a team that can play for him? And is that practical? You asked me earlier why we got rid of Sheens. Why did Souths get rid of Madge?

Roll over the roster until you get a team that can play for Wests Tigers and not just bludge to get their pay packet. Madge should say a few more things like his we need men comment, this would further help identify those players with a bad attitude.

Hypothetically, in your opinion, how many of the 30 would you need to be rolled over for him to finally get the team he needs to be competitive?

As many as it takes. It’s not what Madge needs to be competitive it’s what Wests Tigers need to be competitive. This player crap has been going on for over 10 years now, long before Madge, and it has to stop. The players and the player culture is the problem and the players need to held accountable.

So you're willing to give him another 3-5 years to clear out the roster completely??

I am

 

[avocadoontoast]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.


God help us if Sheens has much influence in coaching.He was sacked here and had a low percentage win rate in ESL.As long as he stays where he is supposed to be in pathways he should be ok

**the two seasons prior to being sacked we finished top 4.** In UK his win record has been 58%.

So why was he sacked?
I honestly can’t remember, too long ago, I remember it wasn’t pleasant and most were pleased. I thought it was results driven?
I do think he’s been away from the NRL scene too long to offer much in the way of game day tactics, but he will still know what a good player looks like?

We were favs to win in 2012 (the year he was sacked) and when we didn't make the 8 he was ditched. He'd been here for 10 years and our expectations that year were to win it.

He's coached over 650 NRL games and has still been involved in the game since he left here. In many ways the way the game is currently played is a perfect match for his style of coaching. I think he'd be the sort of coach that could get us on the right track pretty quickly.

Are you now saying you want him as coach?

As i've previously mentioned, my preference would be to have someone like Gardiner/Ciraldo/Morris take over the head coaching role with Sheens sitting above as Coaching Director.

But surely you will agree that a coaching director will be the coach, while the poor coach will basically be the assistant but cop the blame when the directors plans go awry?

Not necessarily, depends on how it's structured. But if Sheens was made head coach i'd have no major issues with that either, provided a succession plan was in place.

We're at a place now where we make a change or just blindly hope that Madge can improve the team.

So blindly hoping Tim can is better?
You don’t think the players are letting the team down, at all?

When you're on a downward trajectory like us, sticking with the status quo and hoping for it to turn around is blind hope. Is it blind hope to think Sheens can do better? In his 3rd season with us he won a premiership, whilst in Madge's 3rd season he's trying to avoid the spoon.

As for the players, I think a lot of them are an embarrassment, but when you sign a coaching contract you have to get the best out of the players you've got. He's also signed a number of players so it's not entirely Cleary's dud roster anymore (which Madge still got to 9th). A really good coach can adapt his style to suit the playing group he's got. I haven't seen any evidence of him adapting whatsoever.

So what is your strategy for success, is it to roll over the roster until he finally gets a team that can play for him? And is that practical? You asked me earlier why we got rid of Sheens. Why did Souths get rid of Madge?

Roll over the roster until you get a team that can play for Wests Tigers and not just bludge to get their pay packet. Madge should say a few more things like his we need men comment, this would further help identify those players with a bad attitude.

Hypothetically, in your opinion, how many of the 30 would you need to be rolled over for him to finally get the team he needs to be competitive?

As many as it takes. It’s not what Madge needs to be competitive it’s what Wests Tigers need to be competitive. This player crap has been going on for over 10 years now, long before Madge, and it has to stop. The players and the player culture is the problem and the players need to held accountable.

So you're willing to give him another 3-5 years to clear out the roster completely??

I am

I’m willing to give him another 3-5 weeks.

 

[The_Patriot]

Also for me it's more about handing the captaincy to someone you want in the team week to week. Tamou can't start next game if Madge is being serious. Who was the last captain we had that made our club proud he was our captain? Was Farah the last?

Mbye and Tamau have been ordinary for sure, neither have got dropped, both deserved to though, again, accountability, but not for everyone

If Mbye, Tamou or Nofo are in tomorrow’s lineup there are big problems.

Given we are moving to Brisbane I expect they/he will not have the balls to make changes.

 

[BalmainJnr]

Was listening to a Josh Ado Carr interview on the weekend, talked about their attitude in defence. When a Team is attacking their try line, they identify the playmakers and rush them in defence to take away their thinking and game plan time.

Watching our Team when they are defending the try line they actually back pedal, so who is implementing that defensive structure ? or are the players panicking ? So maybe Madge is right and he needs people to be accountable for their actions. Or is he accountable for the defensive structure ?

We play with the rope-a-dope strategy in defense.
The only problem is we are down by a losing margin by the time we start fighting back.

 

[frullens]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.


God help us if Sheens has much influence in coaching.He was sacked here and had a low percentage win rate in ESL.As long as he stays where he is supposed to be in pathways he should be ok

**the two seasons prior to being sacked we finished top 4.** In UK his win record has been 58%.

So why was he sacked?
I honestly can’t remember, too long ago, I remember it wasn’t pleasant and most were pleased. I thought it was results driven?
I do think he’s been away from the NRL scene too long to offer much in the way of game day tactics, but he will still know what a good player looks like?

We were favs to win in 2012 (the year he was sacked) and when we didn't make the 8 he was ditched. He'd been here for 10 years and our expectations that year were to win it.

He's coached over 650 NRL games and has still been involved in the game since he left here. In many ways the way the game is currently played is a perfect match for his style of coaching. I think he'd be the sort of coach that could get us on the right track pretty quickly.

Are you now saying you want him as coach?

As i've previously mentioned, my preference would be to have someone like Gardiner/Ciraldo/Morris take over the head coaching role with Sheens sitting above as Coaching Director.

But surely you will agree that a coaching director will be the coach, while the poor coach will basically be the assistant but cop the blame when the directors plans go awry?

Not necessarily, depends on how it's structured. But if Sheens was made head coach i'd have no major issues with that either, provided a succession plan was in place.

We're at a place now where we make a change or just blindly hope that Madge can improve the team.

So blindly hoping Tim can is better?
You don’t think the players are letting the team down, at all?

When you're on a downward trajectory like us, sticking with the status quo and hoping for it to turn around is blind hope. Is it blind hope to think Sheens can do better? In his 3rd season with us he won a premiership, whilst in Madge's 3rd season he's trying to avoid the spoon.

As for the players, I think a lot of them are an embarrassment, but when you sign a coaching contract you have to get the best out of the players you've got. He's also signed a number of players so it's not entirely Cleary's dud roster anymore (which Madge still got to 9th). A really good coach can adapt his style to suit the playing group he's got. I haven't seen any evidence of him adapting whatsoever.

So what is your strategy for success, is it to roll over the roster until he finally gets a team that can play for him? And is that practical? You asked me earlier why we got rid of Sheens. Why did Souths get rid of Madge?

Roll over the roster until you get a team that can play for Wests Tigers and not just bludge to get their pay packet. Madge should say a few more things like his we need men comment, this would further help identify those players with a bad attitude.

Hypothetically, in your opinion, how many of the 30 would you need to be rolled over for him to finally get the team he needs to be competitive?

As many as it takes. It’s not what Madge needs to be competitive it’s what Wests Tigers need to be competitive. This player crap has been going on for over 10 years now, long before Madge, and it has to stop. The players and the player culture is the problem and the players need to held accountable.

So you're willing to give him another 3-5 years to clear out the roster completely??

I am

I’m willing to give him another 3-5 weeks.

We've tried changes coaches before and it hasn't worked.

There's no remarkedly better coach than madge out there.

What do you do, if you change coaches again and we are in the same position in 3 years time.

Rather give another 3 years to madge and see a plan through all the way to the end.

 

[frullens]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.


God help us if Sheens has much influence in coaching.He was sacked here and had a low percentage win rate in ESL.As long as he stays where he is supposed to be in pathways he should be ok

**the two seasons prior to being sacked we finished top 4.** In UK his win record has been 58%.

So why was he sacked?
I honestly can’t remember, too long ago, I remember it wasn’t pleasant and most were pleased. I thought it was results driven?
I do think he’s been away from the NRL scene too long to offer much in the way of game day tactics, but he will still know what a good player looks like?

We were favs to win in 2012 (the year he was sacked) and when we didn't make the 8 he was ditched. He'd been here for 10 years and our expectations that year were to win it.

He's coached over 650 NRL games and has still been involved in the game since he left here. In many ways the way the game is currently played is a perfect match for his style of coaching. I think he'd be the sort of coach that could get us on the right track pretty quickly.

Are you now saying you want him as coach?

As i've previously mentioned, my preference would be to have someone like Gardiner/Ciraldo/Morris take over the head coaching role with Sheens sitting above as Coaching Director.

But surely you will agree that a coaching director will be the coach, while the poor coach will basically be the assistant but cop the blame when the directors plans go awry?

Not necessarily, depends on how it's structured. But if Sheens was made head coach i'd have no major issues with that either, provided a succession plan was in place.

We're at a place now where we make a change or just blindly hope that Madge can improve the team.

So blindly hoping Tim can is better?
You don’t think the players are letting the team down, at all?

When you're on a downward trajectory like us, sticking with the status quo and hoping for it to turn around is blind hope. Is it blind hope to think Sheens can do better? In his 3rd season with us he won a premiership, whilst in Madge's 3rd season he's trying to avoid the spoon.

As for the players, I think a lot of them are an embarrassment, but when you sign a coaching contract you have to get the best out of the players you've got. He's also signed a number of players so it's not entirely Cleary's dud roster anymore (which Madge still got to 9th). A really good coach can adapt his style to suit the playing group he's got. I haven't seen any evidence of him adapting whatsoever.

So what is your strategy for success, is it to roll over the roster until he finally gets a team that can play for him? And is that practical? You asked me earlier why we got rid of Sheens. Why did Souths get rid of Madge?

Roll over the roster until you get a team that can play for Wests Tigers and not just bludge to get their pay packet. Madge should say a few more things like his we need men comment, this would further help identify those players with a bad attitude.

Hypothetically, in your opinion, how many of the 30 would you need to be rolled over for him to finally get the team he needs to be competitive?

As many as it takes. It’s not what Madge needs to be competitive it’s what Wests Tigers need to be competitive. This player crap has been going on for over 10 years now, long before Madge, and it has to stop. The players and the player culture is the problem and the players need to held accountable.

So you're willing to give him another 3-5 years to clear out the rosterf completely??

Whatever it takes to fix the culture and have players be held to account. It’s not giving Madge another 3-5 years it’s giving the club time to get its house in order and get rid of this poisonous attitude that percolates through the successive playing groups.

And that's fair enough, I just don't think Madge is the man who can fix it.

The club as a whole needs to fix it. It’s not just the coach. Like I said this has been happening for over a decade and through successive coaches . It needs to be a team approach through all aspects of the organisation. That goes for the Board, staff (both corporate and football) and players. Anyone who allows the players to perpetuate the poor attitude needs to go along with the player(s).

Agree!!!

 

[851]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.


God help us if Sheens has much influence in coaching.He was sacked here and had a low percentage win rate in ESL.As long as he stays where he is supposed to be in pathways he should be ok

**the two seasons prior to being sacked we finished top 4.** In UK his win record has been 58%.

So why was he sacked?
I honestly can’t remember, too long ago, I remember it wasn’t pleasant and most were pleased. I thought it was results driven?
I do think he’s been away from the NRL scene too long to offer much in the way of game day tactics, but he will still know what a good player looks like?

We were favs to win in 2012 (the year he was sacked) and when we didn't make the 8 he was ditched. He'd been here for 10 years and our expectations that year were to win it.

He's coached over 650 NRL games and has still been involved in the game since he left here. In many ways the way the game is currently played is a perfect match for his style of coaching. I think he'd be the sort of coach that could get us on the right track pretty quickly.

Are you now saying you want him as coach?

As i've previously mentioned, my preference would be to have someone like Gardiner/Ciraldo/Morris take over the head coaching role with Sheens sitting above as Coaching Director.

But surely you will agree that a coaching director will be the coach, while the poor coach will basically be the assistant but cop the blame when the directors plans go awry?

Not necessarily, depends on how it's structured. But if Sheens was made head coach i'd have no major issues with that either, provided a succession plan was in place.

We're at a place now where we make a change or just blindly hope that Madge can improve the team.

So blindly hoping Tim can is better?
You don’t think the players are letting the team down, at all?

When you're on a downward trajectory like us, sticking with the status quo and hoping for it to turn around is blind hope. Is it blind hope to think Sheens can do better? In his 3rd season with us he won a premiership, whilst in Madge's 3rd season he's trying to avoid the spoon.

As for the players, I think a lot of them are an embarrassment, but when you sign a coaching contract you have to get the best out of the players you've got. He's also signed a number of players so it's not entirely Cleary's dud roster anymore (which Madge still got to 9th). A really good coach can adapt his style to suit the playing group he's got. I haven't seen any evidence of him adapting whatsoever.

So what is your strategy for success, is it to roll over the roster until he finally gets a team that can play for him? And is that practical? You asked me earlier why we got rid of Sheens. Why did Souths get rid of Madge?

Roll over the roster until you get a team that can play for Wests Tigers and not just bludge to get their pay packet. Madge should say a few more things like his we need men comment, this would further help identify those players with a bad attitude.

Hypothetically, in your opinion, how many of the 30 would you need to be rolled over for him to finally get the team he needs to be competitive?

As many as it takes. It’s not what Madge needs to be competitive it’s what Wests Tigers need to be competitive. This player crap has been going on for over 10 years now, long before Madge, and it has to stop. The players and the player culture is the problem and the players need to held accountable.

So you're willing to give him another 3-5 years to clear out the roster completely??

I am

I’m willing to give him another 3-5 weeks.

That is being generous in my opinion, he has had his chance already

 

[TrueTiger]

I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.

Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.

It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.

With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.

To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.


God help us if Sheens has much influence in coaching.He was sacked here and had a low percentage win rate in ESL.As long as he stays where he is supposed to be in pathways he should be ok

**the two seasons prior to being sacked we finished top 4.** In UK his win record has been 58%.

So why was he sacked?
I honestly can’t remember, too long ago, I remember it wasn’t pleasant and most were pleased. I thought it was results driven?
I do think he’s been away from the NRL scene too long to offer much in the way of game day tactics, but he will still know what a good player looks like?

We were favs to win in 2012 (the year he was sacked) and when we didn't make the 8 he was ditched. He'd been here for 10 years and our expectations that year were to win it.

He's coached over 650 NRL games and has still been involved in the game since he left here. In many ways the way the game is currently played is a perfect match for his style of coaching. I think he'd be the sort of coach that could get us on the right track pretty quickly.

Are you now saying you want him as coach?

As i've previously mentioned, my preference would be to have someone like Gardiner/Ciraldo/Morris take over the head coaching role with Sheens sitting above as Coaching Director.

But surely you will agree that a coaching director will be the coach, while the poor coach will basically be the assistant but cop the blame when the directors plans go awry?

Not necessarily, depends on how it's structured. But if Sheens was made head coach i'd have no major issues with that either, provided a succession plan was in place.

We're at a place now where we make a change or just blindly hope that Madge can improve the team.

So blindly hoping Tim can is better?
You don’t think the players are letting the team down, at all?

When you're on a downward trajectory like us, sticking with the status quo and hoping for it to turn around is blind hope. Is it blind hope to think Sheens can do better? In his 3rd season with us he won a premiership, whilst in Madge's 3rd season he's trying to avoid the spoon.

As for the players, I think a lot of them are an embarrassment, but when you sign a coaching contract you have to get the best out of the players you've got. He's also signed a number of players so it's not entirely Cleary's dud roster anymore (which Madge still got to 9th). A really good coach can adapt his style to suit the playing group he's got. I haven't seen any evidence of him adapting whatsoever.

So what is your strategy for success, is it to roll over the roster until he finally gets a team that can play for him? And is that practical? You asked me earlier why we got rid of Sheens. Why did Souths get rid of Madge?

Roll over the roster until you get a team that can play for Wests Tigers and not just bludge to get their pay packet. Madge should say a few more things like his we need men comment, this would further help identify those players with a bad attitude.

Hypothetically, in your opinion, how many of the 30 would you need to be rolled over for him to finally get the team he needs to be competitive?

As many as it takes. It’s not what Madge needs to be competitive it’s what Wests Tigers need to be competitive. This player crap has been going on for over 10 years now, long before Madge, and it has to stop. The players and the player culture is the problem and the players need to held accountable.

So you're willing to give him another 3-5 years to clear out the roster completely??

I am

I’m willing to give him another 3-5 weeks.

That is being generous in my opinion, he has had his chance already

Unfortunately its up to the board to decide Madges fate....you can scream and shout as much as you guys want to sack the coach,however you dont know what is happening internally....if the board didnt want to go the full term with Madge then he would have been gone a few weeks ago....they know more than us,,,,

 

[Krammy]

The debate goes on and on. Everyone wants the same thing - for our team to be successful. Even the Madge doubters, like myself, would be more than happy to see Madge turn things around. We just don't believe this will happen. So we've got 8 games to go. 6 of these games are very winnable. If our team can win say 4-5 of the remaining 8, then Madge will probably survive. Anything less, he clearly has to go. Interesting 8 weeks - let's see what happens. I hope to see a number of fresh faces in this week's team.