@papacito said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1412832) said:
I'm a huge Madge fan, but from what I can see he's a dead man walking.
Let's not forget that he was dumped by Souths for allegedly losing the support of the playing group.
It's looking like that's exactly what's happening here.
With Tim Sheens coming on board, it's just a matter of time.
To be fair, I think that's a good move too. He's a club legend and will have mega respect and influence from the board down.
God help us if Sheens has much influence in coaching.He was sacked here and had a low percentage win rate in ESL.As long as he stays where he is supposed to be in pathways he should be ok
**the two seasons prior to being sacked we finished top 4.** In UK his win record has been 58%.
So why was he sacked?
I honestly can’t remember, too long ago, I remember it wasn’t pleasant and most were pleased. I thought it was results driven?
I do think he’s been away from the NRL scene too long to offer much in the way of game day tactics, but he will still know what a good player looks like?
We were favs to win in 2012 (the year he was sacked) and when we didn't make the 8 he was ditched. He'd been here for 10 years and our expectations that year were to win it.
He's coached over 650 NRL games and has still been involved in the game since he left here. In many ways the way the game is currently played is a perfect match for his style of coaching. I think he'd be the sort of coach that could get us on the right track pretty quickly.
Are you now saying you want him as coach?
As i've previously mentioned, my preference would be to have someone like Gardiner/Ciraldo/Morris take over the head coaching role with Sheens sitting above as Coaching Director.
But surely you will agree that a coaching director will be the coach, while the poor coach will basically be the assistant but cop the blame when the directors plans go awry?
Not necessarily, depends on how it's structured. But if Sheens was made head coach i'd have no major issues with that either, provided a succession plan was in place.
We're at a place now where we make a change or just blindly hope that Madge can improve the team.
So blindly hoping Tim can is better?
You don’t think the players are letting the team down, at all?
When you're on a downward trajectory like us, sticking with the status quo and hoping for it to turn around is blind hope. Is it blind hope to think Sheens can do better? In his 3rd season with us he won a premiership, whilst in Madge's 3rd season he's trying to avoid the spoon.
As for the players, I think a lot of them are an embarrassment, but when you sign a coaching contract you have to get the best out of the players you've got. He's also signed a number of players so it's not entirely Cleary's dud roster anymore (which Madge still got to 9th). A really good coach can adapt his style to suit the playing group he's got. I haven't seen any evidence of him adapting whatsoever.
So what is your strategy for success, is it to roll over the roster until he finally gets a team that can play for him? And is that practical? You asked me earlier why we got rid of Sheens. Why did Souths get rid of Madge?
Roll over the roster until you get a team that can play for Wests Tigers and not just bludge to get their pay packet. Madge should say a few more things like his we need men comment, this would further help identify those players with a bad attitude.
Hypothetically, in your opinion, how many of the 30 would you need to be rolled over for him to finally get the team he needs to be competitive?
As many as it takes. It’s not what Madge needs to be competitive it’s what Wests Tigers need to be competitive. This player crap has been going on for over 10 years now, long before Madge, and it has to stop. The players and the player culture is the problem and the players need to held accountable.
So you're willing to give him another 3-5 years to clear out the roster completely??
I am
I’m willing to give him another 3-5 weeks.
