Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[cochise]

Very good news that Sheens will be the head coach with Maguire as the figurehead coach.
Congratulations to the club. With Sheens heading the coaching I have hope again.
Well done to Maguire for accepting the demotion to figurehead. it can't be easy.
We should all now get behind Sheens and the club and move into our improving future.

Wow that’s a winning move from the club if that’s the case ,Sheens head coach .. Maguire figurehead coach ? the new position created by the review board to cover everyone’s failures .
Well I suppose it’s like 6 home grounds now the board are collecting coaches you do not want to pay one out so you employ another only at the Tigers ??

We still need to get pascoe, Lee and hartigan away from first grade recruitment.

Hartigan needs to have final say on recruitment, with a little guidance from Sheens.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I heard ciraldo won't make a call until after the season with Penrith
we are meant to make a decision Friday at a board meeting apparently
if we do Sack madge hope ciraldo is all signed up and ready to go
Ciraldo and Sheens could work well togethet

 

[JC99]

What do we think about Sheens having such a big role? I hope he doesn't start trying to overrule whoever the head coach is

End of the day Sheensy hasn't been a successful coach in a very long time and the NRL has completely changed since he's been gone. He'll be good to have around for some guidance but not sure he should be in charge of the head coach and what they're doing.

 

[barra]

What do we think about Sheens having such a big role? I hope he doesn't start trying to overrule whoever the head coach is

End of the day Sheensy hasn't been a successful coach in a very long time and the NRL has completely changed since he's been gone. He'll be good to have around for some guidance but not sure he should be in charge of the head coach and what they're doing.

From everything I've ever heard and read, Sheens has always been a real student of the game and would have continued to study the NRL and how it is changing. That's my hope anyway... along with avoiding any Sheenius type ideas/recruitment/selections!

There is a chance that he and Madge work well together. And if the rumours about us trying to lure Ciraldo are true, that could work as well.

 

[hank37w]

Do people really think a rookie coach could handle our mess. Maybe if his initials are JC.

I'll send my resume in!

Join the queue, there are already 98 in front of you.

 

[hank37w]

Thinking about this all night….the only change I’d advocate is Ciraldo….if we get him, we get Kikau for sure, we get Kikau others will follow….Madge whilst doing well bringing on the young guys, stuffed up the recruitment of JAC, who we had in the bag for 2021 if we only gave The Storm Nofo or TT…Madge over ruled both….poor decision.

What guarantee is there that we would get mop head if Ciraldo came?

Why would Ciraldo come and possibly commit career suicide?

Why is Madge held responsible for the JAC fiasco, or any other recruitment decision for that matter?

If there was in fact a swap deal on at the time, how was the decision only on Madge when supposedly recruitment decisions are supposed to involve Madge, Hartigan and Pascoe from what I understand. There may also be others that I have forgotten about, but Gadget certainly seems to have a big say in this area and who knows what influence the rest of the board members have in these matters.

Not having a go at you for anything you are thinking or anything you have written, but gee we make a lot of assumptions about things and put way too much faith in what gets put out there in the media.

We are all guilty of it to some extent and I guess that's what keeps this forum going.

 

[Aceshigh]

Let Madge do his job i say , a few experienced players added to the squad and a bigger role for Ben Gardiner is what is needed

 

[balmain boy]

Do people really think a rookie coach could handle our mess. Maybe if his initials are JC.

I hate a rookie coach for us but Ciraldo is the real deal. I’d support the move.

I have no idea about Ciraldo other than what's been written in the media and it's hard to know if people are pushing agendas or if a coach is genuinely a chance of succeeding.

What makes you say he's the real deal and why do you think he can step up from an assistant at a top 2 club to a Head Coach at a club with serious issues?

I know people who are respected in league and they rate him highly. It would be career suicide to join us it makes no sense to me. I always thought and still do Madge is the best coach to be mad enough to coach this club.

There is some sense I guess new COE, Sheens, salary cap space and a good group of younger players. I feel for Madge if he’s punted poor bloke was on a hiding to nothing. Zero help, no recruitment, soap opera tv shows, front office leaking to media, training out of demountables , people not showing up on time to recruitment meetings and returning phone calls, chairman constantly in the media.

I believe whether he stays or goes his time here will be a turning point.

Thanks mate. Appreciate you going into more detail.

It's interesting about Ciraldo, though. Everyone says he's "highly rated", but I'd like to know specifically what he brings that's different from Madge who is also highly rated (or was at least). Not doubting the bloke, just curious.

Agree with you on Madge. The guy came here with a vision for a long-term rebuild ground up and they want to punt him just as he's getting our ducks in a row.

Actually he didn't. The main reason Madge got the job in the first place was because he said he could take our current (2019) squad to the finals, and he wouldn't require a rebuild. We liked what he was saying so gave Bennett an ultimatum to make sure we didn't lose both.

Madge failed to take the squad to the finals, and we've gotten worse since and are now 6 months into yet another rebuild.

Yes of course we need to rebuild our squad and salary cap, but we still could and should have been more competitive over the past few years. Even with all the crap with our defence this year, our jekyl and hyde performances still easily could have got us to the finals if we occasionally played smart footy, and with some pride. But we capitulated instead.

 

[jirskyr]

Certainly not against Pascoe moving on(same result etc) but if we think sacking him will do anything for 2022 is laughable.


So what’s the point of sacking him then?
If sacking fixes nothing I don’t get the point

Cause you want to change the next 5 years not the next year. Need to look for coach or players

I still think our bigger issue is weak minded individuals in the team. Much harder to fix though.

Weak minded or largely fractured and disgruntled because non performing players on massive salaries weren’t contributing?

If that’s the case we’ve got even bigger issues than we think. If any of our players aren’t putting in because someone’s earning more than them and they don’t think they should be then pack ya bags son, that kind of crap will do more damage than any coach.

Most of those highly paid under performing players have moved on now so if there’s fractures due to that issue they should be resolved.

Every club has players who earn more than guys beside them and it’s not always representative of output or form. They need to grow up a bit. It’s like a child crying because their sibling got more ice cream than they did.

No other club has butchered marquee money like we did.

Disagree. Probably more than half the clubs have messed up in periods. It’s just they get out of it quicker than we have.

Name me a club has paid players as bad a Packer , Mbye and Reynolds between 700-900K for four years at the same time.

The Dogs a few years ago. They had Tony Williams, Trent Hodkinson and Greg Eastwood on the books at similar figures.

Sharks with Moylan, Dugan, Woods, Fifita.
Broncos with Milford, Brodie Croft, Darius Boyd, TPJ, Matt Lodge
Dragons with Hunt, Norman, Vaughan, De Belin

Now that's not to say they are all bad players, but off-field decision-making is part of being a FT footballer, and bad off-field decisions are just as destructive, perhaps worse, than lack of on-field performance.

 

[jirskyr]

Sheens set to be handed keys to the car as Tigers finalise review
Michael Chammas
By Michael Chammas
September 13, 2021 — 6.40pm
Tim Sheens is set to be handed the keys to the castle

Keys to the car, or keys to the castle? Cmon Dumass get your metaphors unmixed.

 

[balmain boy]

Very good news that Sheens will be the head coach with Maguire as the figurehead coach.
Congratulations to the club. With Sheens heading the coaching I have hope again.
Well done to Maguire for accepting the demotion to figurehead. it can't be easy.
We should all now get behind Sheens and the club and move into our improving future.

How do we know Maguire has accepted it as yet?

We don't but you'd think he has little choice. Madge focus should be very narrow do what it takes to get into the 8 to save his career.

A lot of head coaches wont put up with being told what to do by someone else, and having their power and influence limited. If Madge has a strong backbone he could say it's my way or the highway. If he feels backed into a corner he could walk away.

He knows at best he's got one year to make the finals or he gets sacked next year.

 

[jirskyr]

and the “footy” (if you could call it that) was the worst most
uninspiring, heartless effortless garbage Ive ever witnessed in nearly 50 years of watching
the game.

No offence but you have a short memory. It's up there with heartless efforts I've witnessed, not worse than, including Taylorball and the famous flogging by Parramatta at Homebush when Danny G went down early and Ben Te'o refused to take hitups.

 

[hsvjones]

Very good news that Sheens will be the head coach with Maguire as the figurehead coach.
Congratulations to the club. With Sheens heading the coaching I have hope again.
Well done to Maguire for accepting the demotion to figurehead. it can't be easy.
We should all now get behind Sheens and the club and move into our improving future.

How do we know Maguire has accepted it as yet?

We don't but you'd think he has little choice. Madge focus should be very narrow do what it takes to get into the 8 to save his career.

A lot of head coaches wont put up with being told what to do by someone else, and having their power and influence limited. If Madge has a strong backbone he could say it's my way or the highway. If he feels backed into a corner he could walk away.

He knows at best he's got one year to make the finals or he gets sacked next year.

He won't like it at all and don't blame him as he is not a rookie coach. However he won't walk either as that would forfeit his payout and he would be crazy to after all the work he has put in.

 

[jirskyr]

Do people really think a rookie coach could handle our mess. Maybe if his initials are JC.

I hate a rookie coach for us but Ciraldo is the real deal. I’d support the move.

Massive risk how will he be when the loses come thick and fast because they will come.

He'll get a year before people would start coming for him.

On the other hand, anything better than 13th is "improvement" and gives a rookie coach another 6 months of safety net.

 

[Curaeus]

Kikau's manager claiming to be fielding offers in the area of $900K.

No thanks, not even for half that much.

And of course his manager would never think of inflating his value just a bit to try and get his client (and him) more coin than he's really worth! Never happen surely!

 

[cochise]

and the “footy” (if you could call it that) was the worst most
uninspiring, heartless effortless garbage Ive ever witnessed in nearly 50 years of watching
the game.

No offence but you have a short memory. It's up there with heartless efforts I've witnessed, not worse than, including Taylorball and the famous flogging by Parramatta at Homebush when Danny G went down early and Ben Te'o refused to take hitups.

I was sitting with the players that day against Parra, was a horrible day.

 

[The_Patriot]

Maguire can't recruit his own players - Hartigan

Maguire can't coach his own team - Sheens.

If he has any integrity he will walk away from the job and go to England.

 

[jirskyr]

n the past 20 years every coach other than Matt Elliot and Nathan Brown has made the finals by their 3rd year.

Brad Arthur took 4 seasons to get Eels to the finals.

 

[Tigersbest]

I hope we get ciraldo. I think madge has had a chance and hasn’t down anything. Ciraldo is the best defensive coach in the comp which we need and can hopefully sign players.

 

[jirskyr]

big elephants in the china shop

You win the award for best mixed metaphor season 2021!