Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Telltails]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

Did he fix our defense?

No.because the dud club can’t attract proper first graders as a result of said screw ups.

He stated when he signed he could win with the squad he had though?


Every coach would say that to get the job do you honestly think out heirarchy would have signed him if he had said "No they are not good enough you have paid far too much for average players and it will take 2- 3 years to remove them and 4-5 years to turn them into a decent team".
He would have been told that he did not show the desired approach for the job, rather than accept the blatant fact that the leadership in our club is 3rd rate and is the main problem in our club.

Madge is a competitor and believes he can win everything anytime. Problem is not every player in the squad is also.

First year, it came to the last game to make the 8 - so madge was right.

2nd year madge stepped it up and started holding players to account for defence - dropping a lot of players. Then the WT player culture kicked in and we got eggshells.

We have since pivoted to a younger side who are more hungry but are still being let down by the senior group.

**The key issue for us is to replace the senior group with stronger willed competitors**.

Mybe, packer, Reynolds, benji are all give which is a good thing but they haven't been replaced by better senior players.

That's the job of the admin (i.e hartiagn), not madges job.

Signing nofa on 4 years was a bad call - who's call was that? Lees?

Club (CEO, Hartigan and madge) also needs to make tough calls on remaining senior players.

- Brooks is not a leader
- Nofa got dropped from.leadership group for getting passed at chaimains daughter wedding and plays like it
- Tamou is not vocal and not on field long enough

What senior players has hartigan signed?
Why did he only put in a 2 year offer to finucane in the last 24 hours?

Great assessment. He is trying to effect change and it's uncomfortable for some but it needs to be to work.

 

[clontarfkid]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

Did he fix our defense?

No.because the dud club can’t attract proper first graders as a result of said screw ups.

He stated when he signed he could win with the squad he had though?


Every coach would say that to get the job do you honestly think out heirarchy would have signed him if he had said "No they are not good enough you have paid far too much for average players and it will take 2- 3 years to remove them and 4-5 years to turn them into a decent team".
He would have been told that he did not show the desired approach for the job, rather than accept the blatant fact that the leadership in our club is 3rd rate and is the main problem in our club.

Madge is a competitor and believes he can win everything anytime. Problem is not every player in the squad is also.

First year, it came to the last game to make the 8 - so madge was right.

2nd year madge stepped it up and started holding players to account for defence - dropping a lot of players. Then the WT player culture kicked in and we got eggshells.

We have since pivoted to a younger side who are more hungry but are still being let down by the senior group.

**The key issue for us is to replace the senior group with stronger willed competitors**.

Mybe, packer, Reynolds, benji are all give which is a good thing but they haven't been replaced by better senior players.

That's the job of the admin (i.e hartiagn), not madges job.

Signing nofa on 4 years was a bad call - who's call was that? Lees?

Club (CEO, Hartigan and madge) also needs to make tough calls on remaining senior players.

- Brooks is not a leader
- Nofa got dropped from.leadership group for getting passed at chaimains daughter wedding and plays like it
- Tamou is not vocal and not on field long enough

What senior players has hartigan signed?
Why did he only put in a 2 year offer to finucane in the last 24 hours?

Think we need to see Brooks under a new coach b4 we punt him,plus rite now its a very expensive exercise.Ditto Nofa.Fully motivated and the shortfalls addressed,they cld still be viable
With tamou..one season to go at $350 so need to wear it,but ots trasparent that he doesnt have the leadership skills were looking for.What was Hartigan and co thinking?

 

[frullens]

I just don't like the madge bashing

Our club has many problems and blaming/changing the coach isn't going to fix the club.

There has to be change and accountability across the senior levels of the organisation, before the coaches role should be reviewed.

Madge has many faults - but he has positives too. And most of all he is committed and puts in for the club. If everyone in the club had his attitude we'd be in a much better position.

360 said tonight - its not madge its the club

 

[Telltails]

I just don't like the madge bashing

Our club has many problems and blaming/changing the coach isn't going to fix the club.

There has to be change and accountability across the senior levels of the organisation, before the coaches role should be reviewed.

Madge has many faults - but he has positives too. And most of all he is committed and puts in for the club. If everyone in the club had his attitude we'd be in a much better position.

360 said tonight - its not madge its the club

I share your thoughts.

 

[frullens]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

Did he fix our defense?

No.because the dud club can’t attract proper first graders as a result of said screw ups.

He stated when he signed he could win with the squad he had though?


Every coach would say that to get the job do you honestly think out heirarchy would have signed him if he had said "No they are not good enough you have paid far too much for average players and it will take 2- 3 years to remove them and 4-5 years to turn them into a decent team".
He would have been told that he did not show the desired approach for the job, rather than accept the blatant fact that the leadership in our club is 3rd rate and is the main problem in our club.

Madge is a competitor and believes he can win everything anytime. Problem is not every player in the squad is also.

First year, it came to the last game to make the 8 - so madge was right.

2nd year madge stepped it up and started holding players to account for defence - dropping a lot of players. Then the WT player culture kicked in and we got eggshells.

We have since pivoted to a younger side who are more hungry but are still being let down by the senior group.

**The key issue for us is to replace the senior group with stronger willed competitors**.

Mybe, packer, Reynolds, benji are all give which is a good thing but they haven't been replaced by better senior players.

That's the job of the admin (i.e hartiagn), not madges job.

Signing nofa on 4 years was a bad call - who's call was that? Lees?

Club (CEO, Hartigan and madge) also needs to make tough calls on remaining senior players.

- Brooks is not a leader
- Nofa got dropped from.leadership group for getting passed at chaimains daughter wedding and plays like it
- Tamou is not vocal and not on field long enough

What senior players has hartigan signed?
Why did he only put in a 2 year offer to finucane in the last 24 hours?

Think we need to see Brooks under a new coach b4 we punt him,plus rite now its a very expensive exercise.Ditto Nofa.Fully motivated and the shortfalls addressed,they cld still be viable
With tamou..one season to go at $350 so need to wear it,but ots trasparent that he doesnt have the leadership skills were looking for.What was Hartigan and co thinking?

I look at broncos.

Initially walters was doing it all on his own and struggling. He was really out of his depth.
You can't coach a club weekly, restructure organisation and affect meaningful culture change by yourself.

Then comes in donaghy as ceo (a ceo who sees football as part of the business), he appoint ikin as football GM (who applied for ceo)

Walters, donaghy and ikin start working as a TEAM.

They make tough calls to move on some of their best players, in order to balance their roster and bring in leadership in Reynolds.

Then also walters can focus just on coaching. And you see an improvement in the current squad also.

Now the outside perception of the club has changed and they look like they've got their house in order.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Didn't someone say earlier that Zoom was down? If so, that would mean the meeting couldn't be held.

I really hope that this club isn't spooked by the calibre of journalist on NRL360. If delaying a decision upsets these clowns, we have to be professional enough to ignore them and make this decision in the club's best interest only and take the time to get it right.

At times I thought the journos were second guessing themselves.
Wasn't convinced they were on the pulse.

 

[clontarfkid]

I just don't like the madge bashing

Our club has many problems and blaming/changing the coach isn't going to fix the club.

There has to be change and accountability across the senior levels of the organisation, before the coaches role should be reviewed.

Madge has many faults - but he has positives too. And most of all he is committed and puts in for the club. If everyone in the club had his attitude we'd be in a much better position.

360 said tonight - its not madge its the club

I share your thoughts.

None of us think Madge is the sole problem,but hes the most transparent one as hes accountable directly for our results which are significantly underachieving
Problems begin at the top,and Board is ..well...poorly credentialled and needs a complete shakeup ,and whilst Pascoe has done some good things off the field,hes the CEO so hes ultimately accountable tfor results too
Think Hartigan had provided adequate talent both from within .and outside the club and Madge simply hasnt optimised it..Madge;s one dimensional coaching style is half a century outdated
players dont wanna play for him,and he needs to go..with dignity

 

[cochise]

I just don't like the madge bashing

Our club has many problems and blaming/changing the coach isn't going to fix the club.

There has to be change and accountability across the senior levels of the organisation, before the coaches role should be reviewed.

Madge has many faults - but he has positives too. And most of all he is committed and puts in for the club. If everyone in the club had his attitude we'd be in a much better position.

360 said tonight - its not madge its the club

I share your thoughts.

None of us think Madge is the sole problem,but hes the most transparent one as hes accountable directly for our results which are significantly underachieving
Problems begin at the top,and Board is ..well...poorly credentialled and needs a complete shakeup ,and whilst Pascoe has done some good things off the field,hes the CEO so hes ultimately accountable tfor results too
Think Hartigan had provided adequate talent both from within .and outside the club and Madge simply hasnt optimised it..Madge;s one dimensional coaching style is half a century outdated
players dont wanna play for him,and he needs to go..with dignity

One thing i will say, the club needs to treat madge better than it currently is during this time.

 

[yeahcaz]

Madge can not stay, simple as that. You can quote past glories or examples all you like but their all anomalies in this instance. Arthur for example at parra, took over when they were wooden spooners, started very slow his first 2-3 years and now they’re a consistent top 6 team. In those troubling years the team improved, we haven’t at all. For the 1000th time, we’ve gone backwards. To not sack him now would be an even more cowardly move by this incompetent board and would just be a bloody cop out to the media and supposed sooking members who won’t renew if Madge is sacked. Big bloody whoop, the club will continue on regardless. Madge is not the only person to blame but he is definitely part and it’s time to bite the bullet.

 

[frullens]

C'mon defence is an attitude. A coach can't make the line speed faster from the coaching box that is the players responsibility. Our team has no leaders on the field and as Joey Johns said it is up to your leaders to show the way during games not the coach. And he is right.cause all the best teams have great leaders.

I guess all the swearing didn't work as motivation.

I'm sure all the other coaches swear.
What Bellamy wouldn't swear if his team got 20 put on them in first half?

People only raise the swearing because we were the only club to do the doco.

I'd be raising questions on who's idea at the club was it to do the doco in the first place? Puts pressure on the coach and team in a critical year
Pascoe....

The key young players support madge. That should be the only question asked.
Harry Grant loved being coached by made and has credited him for improving his game.

Swearing. Come on @cochise I give you a lot more credit as a smarter person to start blaming madge swearing

Mate that was a light hearted response, the only thing that soften my stance on Madge was the younger players saying they supported him, I just haven't seen enough from him to stick with him.

I may have been a little hyperbolic in this discussion but that was more to counter @BAGNF05 blind positivity to madge. I like him, I really do and I will get behind and support him if we keep him. I just don't think he is the right fit for us at this time.

I'd rather keep madge for 10 years than have Flanagan for 1.

No worries mate, I have high regard for your opinion

My thoughts are we just resigned madge for 2 years for *stability*.

As you say, you can have more problems than one

I think we need to be reviewing the senior levels of the club before the coach. I just don't think pascoe is the right fit for us at this time. I want to see sheens in the new role. I want to see what role sheens actually has. I want to see a change at board level.

I want to see improvement the public way in how we recruit. I want to see senior completive players signed.

The club has bigger issues than madge.

Fix all the above things first, then assess madge closer to his end of contract. Who knows he might do better, once those things are fixed - happy days

The key young players want to play for him.

Yes the results are great, yes the defence isn't great.

We have a young team without key senior leaders to support the and support madge. That is the priority.

But some of this is a reaction to the bulldogs loss.
What about the performance against panthers the week before????

I don't see why changing coaches (hoping to improve rather than knowing) us the priority. All its done is expose the senior management as a shambles and made the madges job untenable and made the club look even worse.

 

[yeahcaz]

C'mon defence is an attitude. A coach can't make the line speed faster from the coaching box that is the players responsibility. Our team has no leaders on the field and as Joey Johns said it is up to your leaders to show the way during games not the coach. And he is right.cause all the best teams have great leaders.

I guess all the swearing didn't work as motivation.

I'm sure all the other coaches swear.
What Bellamy wouldn't swear if his team got 20 put on them in first half?

People only raise the swearing because we were the only club to do the doco.

I'd be raising questions on who's idea at the club was it to do the doco in the first place? Puts pressure on the coach and team in a critical year
Pascoe....

The key young players support madge. That should be the only question asked.
Harry Grant loved being coached by made and has credited him for improving his game.

Swearing. Come on @cochise I give you a lot more credit as a smarter person to start blaming madge swearing

Mate that was a light hearted response, the only thing that soften my stance on Madge was the younger players saying they supported him, I just haven't seen enough from him to stick with him.

I may have been a little hyperbolic in this discussion but that was more to counter @BAGNF05 blind positivity to madge. I like him, I really do and I will get behind and support him if we keep him. I just don't think he is the right fit for us at this time.

I'd rather keep madge for 10 years than have Flanagan for 1.

No worries mate, I have high regard for your opinion

My thoughts are we just resigned madge for 2 years for *stability*.

As you say, you can have more problems than one

I think we need to be reviewing the senior levels of the club before the coach. I just don't think pascoe is the right fit for us at this time. I want to see sheens in the new role. I want to see what role sheens actually has. I want to see a change at board level.

I want to see improvement the public way in how we recruit. I want to see senior completive players signed.

The club has bigger issues than madge.

Fix all the above things first, then assess madge closer to his end of contract. Who knows he might do better, once those things are fixed - happy days

The key young players want to play for him.

Yes the results are great, yes the defence isn't great.

We have a young team without key senior leaders to support the and support madge. That is the priority.

But some of this is a reaction to the bulldogs loss.
What about the performance against panthers the week before????

I don't see why changing coaches (hoping to improve rather than knowing) us the priority. All its done is expose the senior management as a shambles and made the madges job untenable and made the club look even worse.

How do you know they want to play for him ? Have they told you that ? I’ve heard 2 players come out to the media and they’re 2 of the most berated players on here.

I’ve heard from one of the players parents that he doesn’t like Madge and not many others do. He’s not there for the players and is always on edge. Our own Robbie Farah said this on tiger town that he needs to take the shackles off and I think that translates to off the field too.

 

[Terry T.Nuts]

Who needs Netflix when you have comedy gold in the Wests Tigers Organization. They should do a fly on the wall doco of the board meetings, it would be hilarious viewing.

 

[JC99]

The amount of excuses for Madge is getting to Luke Brooks level of ridiculous!

YES there's other issues at the club and YES not everything his his fault but if you think changing the board members and CEO would suddenly make him a better coach you're dreaming

The defence IS his fault. Yes, it's the players on the field missing the tackles and not moving up but it is LITERALLY Madge's job to fix that and implement good defensive structures and it's getting worse every year

Seriously we played some of the worst footy I've ever seen us play this year, we had our worst defensive season since 2001,Madge can't be devoid of any blame. The players clearly don't like him and clearly aren't buying into his systems because they don't work - backing up in defence constantly? What an awful idea

Our roster isn't great but it's better than the one Ivan had and he had us as a top 6 defensive team and beating the strong clubs in 2018. People can blame Brooks and Nofa and I agree they suck but Madge is the one selecting them every single week without fail. He had Nofa in the leadership group and made Brooks captain ffs!

I agree punt Pascoe, punt the board but that doesn't mean Madge doesn't suck too.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Could you imagine taking part in a serious Zoom meeting, that’s determining the future of an NRL club, and you’re staring at a Rod Stewart wannabe in one of the windows.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Here’s the thing about Madge though .
Rule 1-If the board think it’s inevitable that madge will be fired , than it’s imperative they do it right now . It’s as simple as that .
Rule 2-If Madge won’t take elite assistants , please refer to rule 1.

Complete As for his replacement . I think Kristian Wolfe should be the one . I think we should stay away from Penrith and Melbourne , and thier system coaches .

Agreed. I’m fine either way, but they need to get the decision out of the way while we have room in the cap.

All the worry about the media is bollocks . How could our rep get any worse ? I don’t believe that could possibly be the case , if it is than the club is truely lost .

You watch the media attention dry up once Madge is gone because Chammas isn’t feeding his vendetta . Kind of sad really .

The club is driving the media. We are inept in head office everyone knows it. Again they are trying to scapegoat a coach. If you can’t see it’s the board and management after a decade then nothing will get through.

Of course it’s the board . I’m just saying , that the media at the moment is driven by a couple of people with axes to grind . Both those ideas don’t have to go hand in hand .

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Do you think that this is all media attempting to fast track outcomes for their own attention seeking spin that the Tigers should come out strongly to rebuff and condemn this behavior or just remain quiet and get on with the review in their own time

No they are being fed by people in the Tigers covering their tracks in the organisation. Like here it’s turned into a sack Madge discussion. Exactly what it’s designed to do. Distract from the ineptitude of people actually running the club.
People are diminishing the brand of the Tigers to cover their back sides and blaming the coach.

It’s not being spun it’s being fed. People can work out who’s playing the games it’s not Madge to a fault he’s straight down the line with most things.

If they are going to sack him do it already the brand damage of letting the media run with this is worse. They need to be sacked immediately.

The self interest in our club is astonishing. Blame the bloke whose been here 3 years when we were a massive rabble when he arrived. Nothing to see here!! Did Madge hire Cleary? Fail to retain Cleary? Fail to retain multiple dally m medal winners? Sign Packer, Ballin, Anasta, Reynolds, Mbye? No. The lunatics are free in the asylum.

I'd say self interest is certainly a factor. With the Board apparently divided, with the playing group apparently divided and now the supporter base on this forum divided, Maguire needs to fall on his sword if he cares about the club. He's failed and it's time to go.

We need to start healing and that cannot begin until he has departed.

Oh, good grief ...spare us, please. Start "healing"? Seriously?? When a significant proportion of fans and members are pointing the finger at the CEO/Chair/Board and their incompetence and want Maguire retained?

What you're really saying is that your credibility on here is so dependent on Maguie being punted that you're becoming impatient waiting for it to happen.

The obfuscation is outrageous. Stop deflecting and deal with the issue of Maguire failing.

I don't play the man (or woman) so I won't comment on your last paragraph.

 

[TigerWest]

I wonder what Madge is making of all this?

Is it all worth it?

Granted the club hasn’t actually said anything, but they have let the journo’s run him down without any protection.

His stress levels must be through the roof, hopefully they have spoken to him privately with there thoughts otherwise he might just tell them to go to hell.