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Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

If you block all that out and focus on the Madge/Tigers stuff, he's bang on.

It's easy to talk up how good these assistants are when they are blessed with a squad like Penrith. E.g. Trent Barrett seems pretty useless out on his own.

Putting assistants in place that aren't up to it (so they can't white ant you) is putting your own interests above the team. It's good that he's no longer in charge of appointing his assistant coaches.

There is no evidence that this was actually his thinking. It just seems to me to be one of those stories that has taken on a life of its own.

Wasn't one of those assistants allegedly removed from Souths in a coaching shake-up years ago?

I had a quick look online but there's not many articles about Collins other than an article from 2014 where he suggested Lote Tuqiri move into the forwards.

 

[Tiger5150]

I wonder and also hoping that they got rid of Ron Griffiths from the club also.

I think Ron Griffith is heavily involved in the indigenous programme. If that is his role, then it seems to be going OK and I dont think he will be moved on.

 

[DJG]

I wonder and also hoping that they got rid of Ron Griffiths from the club also.

I think Ron Griffith is heavily involved in the indigenous programme. If that is his role, then it seems to be going OK and I dont think he will be moved on.

He is a coaching assistant and assists the clubs Indigenous and Community Programs.

Either way, doesn't look good when he's on his phone, or rarely paying attention when the game is on in front of him.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

If you block all that out and focus on the Madge/Tigers stuff, he's bang on.

It's easy to talk up how good these assistants are when they are blessed with a squad like Penrith. E.g. Trent Barrett seems pretty useless out on his own.

Putting assistants in place that aren't up to it (so they can't white ant you) is putting your own interests above the team. It's good that he's no longer in charge of appointing his assistant coaches.

There is no evidence that this was actually his thinking. It just seems to me to be one of those stories that has taken on a life of its own.

Wasn't one of those assistants allegedly removed from Souths in a coaching shake-up years ago?

I had a quick look online but there's not many articles about Collins other than an article from 2014 where he suggested Lote Tuqiri move into the forwards.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/rabbitohs/michael-maguire-borrows-from-wayne-bennett-in-chasing-new-coaching-staff-to-rebuild-rabbitohs/news-story/dceb4c86e57b51b3a3b2937fa8875373

 

[avocadoontoast]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

If you block all that out and focus on the Madge/Tigers stuff, he's bang on.

It's easy to talk up how good these assistants are when they are blessed with a squad like Penrith. E.g. Trent Barrett seems pretty useless out on his own.

Putting assistants in place that aren't up to it (so they can't white ant you) is putting your own interests above the team. It's good that he's no longer in charge of appointing his assistant coaches.

There is no evidence that this was actually his thinking. It just seems to me to be one of those stories that has taken on a life of its own.

Wasn't one of those assistants allegedly removed from Souths in a coaching shake-up years ago?

I had a quick look online but there's not many articles about Collins other than an article from 2014 where he suggested Lote Tuqiri move into the forwards.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/rabbitohs/michael-maguire-borrows-from-wayne-bennett-in-chasing-new-coaching-staff-to-rebuild-rabbitohs/news-story/dceb4c86e57b51b3a3b2937fa8875373

Wow talk about history repeating itself.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Paul kun..... kent

Bossy ...you'll get in trouble again ....

Wot

Paul Kung Fu ?

 

[happy_tiger]

Paul kun..... kent

Bossy ...you'll get in trouble again ....

Wot

Paul Kung Fu ?

I'm watching you ...circle of trust

 

[Needaname]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

If you block all that out and focus on the Madge/Tigers stuff, he's bang on.

It's easy to talk up how good these assistants are when they are blessed with a squad like Penrith. E.g. Trent Barrett seems pretty useless out on his own.

Putting assistants in place that aren't up to it (so they can't white ant you) is putting your own interests above the team. It's good that he's no longer in charge of appointing his assistant coaches.

There is no evidence that this was actually his thinking. It just seems to me to be one of those stories that has taken on a life of its own.

Wasn't one of those assistants allegedly removed from Souths in a coaching shake-up years ago?

I had a quick look online but there's not many articles about Collins other than an article from 2014 where he suggested Lote Tuqiri move into the forwards.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/rabbitohs/michael-maguire-borrows-from-wayne-bennett-in-chasing-new-coaching-staff-to-rebuild-rabbitohs/news-story/dceb4c86e57b51b3a3b2937fa8875373

Wow talk about history repeating itself.

Except we extended Madge whereas Souths chose not to renew him. The Siebold signing would of been part of their succession planning that they have been banging on about.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/10/04/succession-planning-has-bunnies-in-good-shape-for-shot-at-redemption/

Funny though that the Roosters went in a different direction in 2016 despite suffering an even poorer season than the Bunnies.

 

[Celtic_Tiger]

Kent can stick his dewy eyed sentimentalism where the sun doesn't shine. He fails to mention that Cleary led everyone at the Tigers to believe that his son would be joining him at the Tigers while he was brokering a deal with the Panthers to break his contract behind everyone's backs.

Cleary was, is and always will be a snake and a million premierships will never make up for a complete lack of honesty and integrity. If Kent is expecting the Tigers fans to let up on the abuse of Cleary I suspect he will be waiting a long time.

We should never let the treacherous rat forget what he done.

 

[supercoach]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

If you block all that out and focus on the Madge/Tigers stuff, he's bang on.

It's easy to talk up how good these assistants are when they are blessed with a squad like Penrith. E.g. Trent Barrett seems pretty useless out on his own.

Also it might be great to see the special bond Cleary has with his son and his great desire to coach his son has paid dividends…but the bottom line is, he secretly behind the clubs back plotted and carried out a plan to break his contract. Made worse by the fact that he had crippled the Tigers for a few years with some terrible signings.

Ivan Cleary in my books will always be a person I have zero respect for as a person and a coach

How did he plan to break his contract?
We could of had Ivan coaching till the end of this year and heading back to start up in 22.
There was nothing illegal or even morally incorrect with signing on with a club a few years in advance. Now with the change to the policy, (can only sign in your final contracted year) there would be; however Ivan and the Panthers were above board.
We could of kept him for 2 more years. There was no reason why we didn’t. Except we decided not to.

Edit. Maybe morally incorrect is a stretch.

Disagree, he put the club in a position where they had no choice but to release him and that was what he wanted all along. Yes your right, by the letter of the law he was released from his contract by mutual agreement, but in reality he planned the whole thing behind the clubs back

 

[Telltails]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

If you block all that out and focus on the Madge/Tigers stuff, he's bang on.

It's easy to talk up how good these assistants are when they are blessed with a squad like Penrith. E.g. Trent Barrett seems pretty useless out on his own.

Also it might be great to see the special bond Cleary has with his son and his great desire to coach his son has paid dividends…but the bottom line is, he secretly behind the clubs back plotted and carried out a plan to break his contract. Made worse by the fact that he had crippled the Tigers for a few years with some terrible signings.

Ivan Cleary in my books will always be a person I have zero respect for as a person and a coach

How did he plan to break his contract?
We could of had Ivan coaching till the end of this year and heading back to start up in 22.
There was nothing illegal or even morally incorrect with signing on with a club a few years in advance. Now with the change to the policy, (can only sign in your final contracted year) there would be; however Ivan and the Panthers were above board.
We could of kept him for 2 more years. There was no reason why we didn’t. Except we decided not to.

Edit. Maybe morally incorrect is a stretch.

Disagree, he put the club in a position where they had no choice but to release him and that was what he wanted all along. Yes your right, by the letter of the law he was released from his contract by mutual agreement, but in reality he planned the whole thing behind the clubs back

Agree SC. We can't recruit at the best of times let alone with a coach who is meant to be rebuilding the club but had already committed to another club. He dogged us in the worst possible way, he knows it, and even with his premiership title it will always be part of the how he got it story.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

When the Board decides on the new assistants, both should be viewed as immediate successors to Maguire.

 

[tony soprano]

Kent can stick his dewy eyed sentimentalism where the sun doesn't shine. He fails to mention that Cleary led everyone at the Tigers to believe that his son would be joining him at the Tigers while he was brokering a deal with the Panthers to break his contract behind everyone's backs.

Cleary was, is and always will be a snake and a million premierships will never make up for a complete lack of honesty and integrity. If Kent is expecting the Tigers fans to let up on the abuse of Cleary I suspect he will be waiting a long time.

We should never let the treacherous rat forget what he done.

Mate he has won if there was really anything to win to begin with.

Any decent father would do the same thing why take his son away from a good club to bring him to a club going nowhere

 

[Needaname]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

If you block all that out and focus on the Madge/Tigers stuff, he's bang on.

It's easy to talk up how good these assistants are when they are blessed with a squad like Penrith. E.g. Trent Barrett seems pretty useless out on his own.

Also it might be great to see the special bond Cleary has with his son and his great desire to coach his son has paid dividends…but the bottom line is, he secretly behind the clubs back plotted and carried out a plan to break his contract. Made worse by the fact that he had crippled the Tigers for a few years with some terrible signings.

Ivan Cleary in my books will always be a person I have zero respect for as a person and a coach

How did he plan to break his contract?
We could of had Ivan coaching till the end of this year and heading back to start up in 22.
There was nothing illegal or even morally incorrect with signing on with a club a few years in advance. Now with the change to the policy, (can only sign in your final contracted year) there would be; however Ivan and the Panthers were above board.
We could of kept him for 2 more years. There was no reason why we didn’t. Except we decided not to.

Edit. Maybe morally incorrect is a stretch.

Disagree, he put the club in a position where they had no choice but to release him and that was what he wanted all along. Yes your right, by the letter of the law he was released from his contract by mutual agreement, but in reality he planned the whole thing behind the clubs back

I know, maybe I’m a little more trusting in nature but I don’t see the whole intention as being a conniving plot and more so an emotional dilemma that played out the way it did.

 

[Celtic_Tiger]

Kent can stick his dewy eyed sentimentalism where the sun doesn't shine. He fails to mention that Cleary led everyone at the Tigers to believe that his son would be joining him at the Tigers while he was brokering a deal with the Panthers to break his contract behind everyone's backs.

Cleary was, is and always will be a snake and a million premierships will never make up for a complete lack of honesty and integrity. If Kent is expecting the Tigers fans to let up on the abuse of Cleary I suspect he will be waiting a long time.

We should never let the treacherous rat forget what he done.

Mate he has won if there was really anything to win to begin with.

Any decent father would do the same thing why take his son away from a good club to bring him to a club going nowhere

He presented The Tigers with a roadmap to success and asked everyone to buy into it which they did including recruiting multiple players with this vision part of which he was happy to tell anyone who would listen that Nathan was coming to the Tigers.

I'm not buying the decent father line, it was him who raised the prospect of Nathan joining him at the Tigers and it isn't an excuse for breaking a contract after the club placing a huge amount of faith in his plans.

I'm not arguing that he has won, he clearly has but we should never let him forget his reprehensible behaviour anytime we play them and we should call out the media attempts to rewrite history like Kent's puff piece today.

 

[dazza65]

Its how intense rivalries are born - NRL, especially in Sydney, is all about rivalries - wt should now "hate" the riff - its all good as far as Im concerned.

 

[Tiger5150]

Its how intense rivalries are born - NRL, especially in Sydney, is all about rivalries - wt should now "hate" the riff - its all good as far as Im concerned.

Based on what happened on the field at Leichhardt, its not restricted to fans either. These two teams seem to genuinely dislike each other.

 

[2005magic]

Its how intense rivalries are born - NRL, especially in Sydney, is all about rivalries - wt should now "hate" the riff - its all good as far as Im concerned.

WT should mirror South's and have a 'Hate book' or whatever they call it where slights against the club are noted and await payback.

They could even make it a quasi initiation ceremony where new players into NRL squad sign on to the slights book and asked to do their but for payback if opportunity arises.

 

[2005magic]

Frigging auto correct. Pls read bit not but.

 

[tony soprano]

Kent can stick his dewy eyed sentimentalism where the sun doesn't shine. He fails to mention that Cleary led everyone at the Tigers to believe that his son would be joining him at the Tigers while he was brokering a deal with the Panthers to break his contract behind everyone's backs.

Cleary was, is and always will be a snake and a million premierships will never make up for a complete lack of honesty and integrity. If Kent is expecting the Tigers fans to let up on the abuse of Cleary I suspect he will be waiting a long time.

We should never let the treacherous rat forget what he done.

Mate he has won if there was really anything to win to begin with.

Any decent father would do the same thing why take his son away from a good club to bring him to a club going nowhere

He presented The Tigers with a roadmap to success and asked everyone to buy into it which they did including recruiting multiple players with this vision part of which he was happy to tell anyone who would listen that Nathan was coming to the Tigers.

I'm not buying the decent father line, it was him who raised the prospect of Nathan joining him at the Tigers and it isn't an excuse for breaking a contract after the club placing a huge amount of faith in his plans.

I'm not arguing that he has won, he clearly has but we should never let him forget his reprehensible behaviour anytime we play them and we should call out the media attempts to rewrite history like Kent's puff piece today.

You just ignore the club's fault with your argument