Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[TrueTiger]

Whats Rowdy doing these days , a bucket load of his determination wouldnt go astray about now


Yeah I was thinking the same. A lot of talk around Robbie but not much about Rowdy. Maybe his business interests and the crap he allegely copped from Pascoe to extend before his last year is a blocker. He is probably the most qualified and genuine former WT player of recent times. Also, A one club player from MacArthur region .

I always like him as a player- but dont you think he's too quiet? Doesn't have that same leadership quality and passion that Farah has.

Rowdy is a wonderful leader.

Its great if we need a strong core of ex WT players around the boys to help build a strong WT culture

Who do we have?

Chris Lawrence - NRL Career Coach
Simon Dwyer — NRL Video Analyst
John Skandalis — Sponsorship Sales Executive

Robbie Farah - Blue shirt and hooked coach
Pat Richards - is he still coaching kicking?

I know Kevin McGuinness is involved in Wests Junior Development, I think this year he was with the Under 14's. He works closely with Gallant at times.

Ben Galea is involved with Balmain nowadays too but not sure of his exact role.

Good to hear this.

Forgive my ignorance, but is that the same Kevin McGuiness that was outed with Craig Field for illegal substance matters - teaching 14yo boys?

Hey champion @Swordy, mate people change and learn (we hope!).

So does Flanno change ?

One would hope...otherwise it would be a failure to employ him...

 

[avocadoontoast]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

The parting two paragraphs ring true at WTs insofar as they relate to the performance of our coach and his now former assistants. At least with bringing Sheens aboard and employing new assistants, there is some hope!

 

[yeahcaz]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Hard to argue with anything hes said here in terms of us. He’s been one of madges most staunch supporters this whole time and now he’s basically saying he needs better assistant coaches otherwise he’s done for

 

[jirskyr]

I don't get that Paul Kent article. How does Ivan Cleary winning a premiership right now have anything to do with Michael Maguire?

The GF is not even 48 hours cold and someone still wants to talk about Tigers.

One guy walked into a mostly-developed side after back-stabbing his old club. The second guy is trying to clean up the mess that was left behind. You can laud Cleary all you like, but he wrecked the Tigers as sure as any coach in our history has done. At least guys like Jason Taylor wanted to be here, wanted to stay, and made decisions in keeping with a long-term strategy. Ivan Cleary made decisions, we have since found out, with an eye always on other options and an indifference to commitments he made.

I don't give a hoot if he left to coach his son, or Jesus Christ himself, it doesn't absolve him of the blame. I think we've all been in situations at work where someone has left for their own personal reasons, and you can understand those reasons at a human level, but it doesn't change the fact that they left behind a total mess for someone else to clean up. You get to that final day and even the nice and seemingly committed people shrug and hand you the steaming pile of crap that they don't have any time left to fix, and mentally they checked out months ago when they started fielding other jobs.

So to hell with Ivan Cleary - no softening, none.

And then Kenty quotes Ben Ikin. Gee let's just wait until Ikin has actually achieved something with Broncos before we start quoting his business acumen.

 

[yeahcaz]

I don't get that Paul Kent article. How does Ivan Cleary winning a premiership right now have anything to do with Michael Maguire?

The GF is not even 48 hours cold and someone still wants to talk about Tigers.

One guy walked into a mostly-developed side after back-stabbing his old club. The second guy is trying to clean up the mess that was left behind. You can laud Cleary all you like, but he wrecked the Tigers as sure as any coach in our history has done. At least guys like Jason Taylor wanted to be here, wanted to stay, and made decisions in keeping with a long-term strategy. Ivan Cleary made decisions, we have since found out, with an eye always on other options and an indifference to commitments he made.

I don't give a hoot if he left to coach his son, or Jesus Christ himself, it doesn't absolve him of the blame. I think we've all been in situations at work where someone has left for their own personal reasons, and you can understand those reasons at a human level, but it doesn't change the fact that they left behind a total mess for someone else to clean up. You get to that final day and even the nice and seemingly committed people shrug and hand you the steaming pile of crap that they don't have any time left to fix, and mentally they checked out months ago when they started fielding other jobs.

So to hell with Ivan Cleary - no softening, none.

And then Kenty quotes Ben Ikin. Gee let's just wait until Ikin has actually achieved something with Broncos before we start quoting his business acumen.

For someone who can say some intelligent things in articles, this is a real stab and miss for Kent. It’s literally all over the place

 

[TillLindemann]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

 

[Telltails]

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/nrl-grand-final-2021-penrith-panthers-response-paul-kent-writing-team-off-032838641.html
Kent choosing to write about the Tigers while others reminding him of this..

 

[avocadoontoast]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

If you block all that out and focus on the Madge/Tigers stuff, he's bang on.

 

[TillLindemann]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

If you block all that out and focus on the Madge/Tigers stuff, he's bang on.

It's easy to talk up how good these assistants are when they are blessed with a squad like Penrith. E.g. Trent Barrett seems pretty useless out on his own.

 

[TillLindemann]

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

What actual evidence is there that Madge "vowed" he would do this?

 

[avocadoontoast]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

If you block all that out and focus on the Madge/Tigers stuff, he's bang on.

It's easy to talk up how good these assistants are when they are blessed with a squad like Penrith. E.g. Trent Barrett seems pretty useless out on his own.

Putting assistants in place that aren't up to it (so they can't white ant you) is putting your own interests above the team. It's good that he's no longer in charge of appointing his assistant coaches.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

If you block all that out and focus on the Madge/Tigers stuff, he's bang on.

It's easy to talk up how good these assistants are when they are blessed with a squad like Penrith. E.g. Trent Barrett seems pretty useless out on his own.

Putting assistants in place that aren't up to it (so they can't white ant you) is putting your own interests above the team. It's good that he's no longer in charge of appointing his assistant coaches.

And then demanding team work from your players! Does anyone believe there may be an issue?

 

[tony soprano]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

Totally agree with the article.

Madge needs to change

We need to get over Ivan.

 

[tony soprano]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Thanks for posting mate.

 

[supercoach]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

If you block all that out and focus on the Madge/Tigers stuff, he's bang on.

It's easy to talk up how good these assistants are when they are blessed with a squad like Penrith. E.g. Trent Barrett seems pretty useless out on his own.

Also it might be great to see the special bond Cleary has with his son and his great desire to coach his son has paid dividends…but the bottom line is, he secretly behind the clubs back plotted and carried out a plan to break his contract. Made worse by the fact that he had crippled the Tigers for a few years with some terrible signings.

Ivan Cleary in my books will always be a person I have zero respect for as a person and a coach

 

[happy_tiger]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

And no one gets smarter reading Paul Kent articles

Maintain the Cleary rage ladies and gentlemen ......

 

[tony soprano]

That's what board need to do

We need a fresh start

Sack pascoe so we don't have someone there that basis decisions based on hate of the Panthers.

If madge can't hire top line assistants sack him too.

We need top decision makers to see how valuable this is.

 

[tony soprano]

Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

And no one gets smarter reading Paul Kent articles

Maintain the Cleary rage ladies and gentlemen ......

Why?

 

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Paul Kent: Ivan Cleary shows Wests Tigers — and Michael Maguire — how it’s done after messy exit

Ivan Cleary’s premiership success at the Panthers has exposed glaring issues at his former club Wests Tigers — and more specifically Michael Maguire, writes PAUL KENT.

Paul Kent

The bitterness from Wests Tigers fans towards Ivan Cleary must soften today.

The fight is over, a winner declared. No standing eight count will be afforded to Tigers fans.

They might have turned their anger towards the coach’s box midway through the season when the Tigers upset Penrith at Leichhardt Oval, no doubt giving Cleary all kinds of helpful advice, but the dignified response from here on is a nod in his direction for a well done and then silence.

Tigers fans do not like what Cleary did when he walked out on his contract to go back to Penrith but it paid handsome dividends on Sunday night.

More than that, we all got a chance afterwards to see what it was truly all about.

The softening of heart should start with that moment when the father found his son after the game and they embraced, no words spoken but the strength of the moment revealed in how tightly they held each other.

A thousand different memories were in that embrace.

Anybody who would want to deny a moment like that has a stone in their chest.

Cleary returned to Penrith because he wanted to coach his son.

The upheaval and anger towards Cleary after his walkout on the Tigers was highly emotional.

Even Cleary will admit it was not one of the finer moments in his life but the pull to coach Nathan was compelling, the circumstances were unkind, and there was simply no kind way for it to play out if it was going to happen.

The premiership is another chapter in the prickled links between Cleary and the Tigers.

So, almost on cue, the Tigers quietly released a statement on Monday saying the club and assistant coach Shane Millard had agreed to part company, effectively immediately.

Millard follows the other assistant coach, Wayne Collins, out the door.

The Tigers are now in the market for new assistant coaches and the decision will shape Michael Maguire’s career.

Maguire has one season left on his contract and only improvement in the Tigers next season will save his job at Wests.

It is not understating it, though, to say the decision will likely shape Maguire’s entire coaching future.

A failed season will make it almost impossible for him to find another job.

So a large part of Maguire’s planning now must be to find assistants talented enough to help him succeed next season, which goes against recent instinct.

Maguire was burned at South Sydney when he felt undermined by Anthony Seibold, a talented assistant coach with firm head coaching ambitions.

Maguire got sacked and Seibold slipped quickly into the head coaching role, a transition so smooth Maguire remains convinced there was trickery afoot.

Several times Siebold has heatedly denied undermining Maguire but, regardless of where the truth lies, Maguire felt scorched.

So when he got the Tigers job he vowed never again, and hired assistants unlikely to replace him as the head coach.

Collins coached with him at Souths and Millard was a well-traveled journeyman, but still green as a coach.

This lack of depth was one of the problems pointed out to Maguire during his recent review, which he narrowly survived, and which has resulted in these recent decisions.

The only way forward for Maguire now is to resist his current fears and hire assistant coaches who are potential head coaches at other NRL clubs. Maybe even some who have already done the job, like Shane Flanagan and Neil Henry.

The upside is far more positive heading down this road.

Back before he began remodelling the Brisbane Broncos Ben Ikin would sit in the offices at Fox Sports and occasionally pop his head up from some latest business book he was reading with some unsporting like wisdom.

One business principle particularly struck him.

A-graders hire A-graders, he said, and B-graders hire C-graders.

It was a simple principle we watched for years after that. Who was getting a job and who they were hiring.

It was there in clubs appointing chief executives, in chief executives appointing coaches, in coaches hiring assistants.

The appointments said as much about the men doing the hiring as those that were hired, or the joint they were in, and were a pretty good indicator of what their immediate future would look like.

The best coaches in the game are all developing future head coaches under them, A-graders hiring A-graders.

Craig Fitzgibbon has just left Trent Robinson at the Roosters to take the Cronulla job. Cleary’s assistant, Cameron Ciraldo, is the man tipped to take the next available job.

Ciraldo’s former offsider Trent Barrett is now coaching Canterbury.

The natural conclusion from this philosophy is that intelligent people inspire ideas out of each other that could not be obtained by hiring people whose primary role is not to challenge the head coach.

Nobody ever got dumber by the sharing of good ideas.

Rubbish article about a rat who left a mess here and walked into a dream roster there.

If you block all that out and focus on the Madge/Tigers stuff, he's bang on.

It's easy to talk up how good these assistants are when they are blessed with a squad like Penrith. E.g. Trent Barrett seems pretty useless out on his own.

Also it might be great to see the special bond Cleary has with his son and his great desire to coach his son has paid dividends…but the bottom line is, he secretly behind the clubs back plotted and carried out a plan to break his contract. Made worse by the fact that he had crippled the Tigers for a few years with some terrible signings.

Ivan Cleary in my books will always be a person I have zero respect for as a person and a coach

How did he plan to break his contract?
We could of had Ivan coaching till the end of this year and heading back to start up in 22.
There was nothing illegal or even morally incorrect with signing on with a club a few years in advance. Now with the change to the policy, (can only sign in your final contracted year) there would be; however Ivan and the Panthers were above board.
We could of kept him for 2 more years. There was no reason why we didn’t. Except we decided not to.

Edit. Maybe morally incorrect is a stretch.