MAGPIES PRESS RELEASE: RE: NSW Cup 2013

[batboy]

Exactly. I want 6 / 6 split between Campbelltown and Leichhardt.

But I also believe the Wests Tigers HQ and training facilities have to be based at Campbelltown.

AND I'm also guessing you'd like them to change thier name to the Wests Magpies?

FACTS AREAS FOLLOWS:
An enormous percent of our membership is based around Leichhardt oval…
Sponships / Corporate sells out months and months in advance (In fact corporate was fully sold out for rd 26 more than 2 months ago) Problem is... It's a logistical nightmare to have a game there and therefore not as profitable...
But like I said, An enormous part of our membership is based around it, So the club simply can't afford NOT to play there.....
On the other side of the coin.. +
Campbelltown is easy to have a game at, But CAN NOT garnish similar support at corporate OR in the stands...
If you are going to try and tell me that moving 2 more games to Campbelltown is going to increase the Numbers / Value (ie: Bottom Line) or even moving the team there then you are outside your mind!!
The SFS is by far our most profitable home ground, And the funds are forwarded to us when we really need them (Outside of the regular season)
I LOVE LEICHHARDT!!
I LOVE CAMPBELLTOWN...
But if my club can make more money playing elsewhere.... I AM ALL FOR IT!!
Your wild claims that it should be a 6/6 split with obviously no Idea of the positives and negatives or the reality of the situation (Both good and bad)
Your claims that WT's will not/does not embrace Sydney SW are getting old... I would claim that it is in fact SW Sydney not embracing the WT's... The same way they never fully embraced the Magpies....
Facts are facts, Not everyone supports a team because it's where they live, Not everyone even supports NRL...
We could have the WT's at Campbelltown, Play all our home games there, Have Lote walking up and down Queen St. giving away money.... We still won't get more people to games!!
WT's current strategy is the best in place (For the moment) and they wont be changing it anytime soon....
I beg you to accept it, And support it instead of continually trying so damn hard to disrupt it!!

 

[Yossarian]

How exactly is Ryde-Eastwood's involvement "unconstitutional". At the risk of repeating myself, where is this constitution? What does it say? Is it still in force? Is it binding?

 

[batboy]

Yoss,
You will hear the word constitution alot in this type of thread (One that mentions Magpies)
But at no point will any evidence factual or otherwise be presented to reinforce any individuals actual knowledge
of it's contents

 

[system]

Ryde Eastwood have indicated they would happily be a sponsor of a JV State Cup side.

They are aware that they cannot be involved in the team branding of a joint venture side but want to be a part of it.

Ideally we could use Wests Ashfield money for junior funding and a RE Leagues money from sponsorship in conjunction with the other sponsors for the non NRL contracted State Cup players.

Again I would think a Bundy Cup entrant based out of the macarthur would be most benficial and structure the flow through of talent properly.

But I understand it is a complex and at times emotionally charged issue so I will leave it there with what I see as the overall positive plan that could be enacted

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

There are a lot on here jumping to conclusions, but the statement needs to be considered in the context of the past couple of days. The new TV deal has been announced and there are no plans for a NRL "Reserve Grade" so from the perspective of Wests Tigers meeting the contractual requirements of being in the NRL, there is no need for a Wests Tigers combined reserve team.

For those who are blowing up and claiming Western Suburbs are delusional and trying to fight against Wests Tigers, please re-read the statement, in particular the quote below:

2013 NSW Cup - Press Release….

However, the Board and management have been extremely diligent in working at what is in the **best interests of the Western Suburbs District Club at all levels** to ensure the most positive and lasting outcome for the Club is achieved.

"All levels" - to me that indicates they are looking for the solution that benefits Wests juniors and all the way up to the Wests Group holding in Wests Tigers. There is nothing to suggest that after the meeting back in June, anyone has walked away. It appears complicated, but the new TV deal has cleared up at least some of the confusion.

 

[Yossarian]

Gary that depends how you interpret the wording or indeed what WSDRL consider to be "all levels" of their club. I'm not necessarily passing judgement on what they're saying because I'm convinced we don't have the complete picture yet. In particular I've seen nothing on WT's take on this.

As I understand it, the combined WT reserves team was more about the internal structures of the WT club rather than any consideration to meet an NRL criteria. As far as I can tell, the WT are still committed to entering a WT team in the state cup team, presumably in opposition to the Wests Magpies team.

 

[wtfl1981]

Yoss,
You will hear the word constitution alot in this type of thread (One that mentions Magpies)
But at no point will any evidence factual or otherwise be presented to reinforce any individuals actual knowledge
of it's contents

Well constitutional bindings do not allow for Wests Magpies NSW cup to be linked to another NRL team (i.e Storm or raiders proposal in 2011 before mounties came along)

Its a cluster f of a structure. WT CEO and coach where WT are owned by Balmain and Wests Group) determine if they will be linked to Wests and Balmain. Oxy moron arrangement.
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[Yossarian]

Whose constitution do you mean? Magpies or Wests Tigers?

 

[wtfl1981]

Whose constitution do you mean? Magpies or Wests Tigers?

Wests Tigers!!
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[Yossarian]

Whose constitution do you mean? Magpies or Wests Tigers?

Wests Tigers!!
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Well I'd hate to sound like a broken record but where is this constitution? It's endlessly cited and yet nobody can even reproduce any of the wording! Not have a personal go at you but my questions above remain. People should either get a copy and post it here or stop using to underpin their argument.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Gary that depends how you interpret the wording or indeed what WSDRL consider to be "all levels" of their club. I'm not necessarily passing judgement on what they're saying because I'm convinced we don't have the complete picture yet. In particular I've seen nothing on WT's take on this.

As I understand it, the combined WT reserves team was more about the internal structures of the WT club rather than any consideration to meet an NRL criteria. As far as I can tell, the WT are still committed to entering a WT team in the state cup team, presumably in opposition to the Wests Magpies team.

We have not heard anything from Balmain either.

You are right about the internal drive for merging the teams. I was just making the point a potential contractual requirement to merge the teams has been removed and this is purely based on the timing of the press release (immediately after the terms of the new TV deal has been released). Whilst the operational benefits have been explained to the Wests Group and Balmain, it would not surprise me if as a part of that discussion, a NRL Reserve Grade competition was considered.

 

[wtfl1981]

That would force a WT reserve grade team with current Toyota cup reverting back to a jersey flegg comp.
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[happy_tiger]

Whose constitution do you mean? Magpies or Wests Tigers?

Wests Tigers!!
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Well I'd hate to sound like a broken record but where is this constitution? It's endlessly cited and yet nobody can even reproduce any of the wording! Not have a personal go at you but my questions above remain. People should either get a copy and post it here or stop using to underpin their argument.

Perhaps if the constitution ever does get posted the MODs should put it as a sticky somewhere

It will cop an absolute flogging in my opinion

 

[wtfl1981]

If there was no legal binding of Wests Tigers then there would be no obligation to keep a legacy of Balmain & Wests within the club which is technically a private company. Thats the objective of Wests Tigers.

Things like NSW cup feeder arrangement (did not hinder WT winning a premiership in 2005) and the 'little magpie on the sleeve' arrangement were never really an issue for the first 10 years of the JV.

These WT matters Didn't upset people or stimulate arguments (millions on this very forum!) until a new CEO came along and changed such arrangements or practices…
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[system]

Side note the little magpie on the sleeve was not a part of the original joint venture agreement but actually suggested by the Balmain delegation after the agreement took place as there was some concerns that too much Wests heritage had been left out.

As for not stimulating arguments the first incarnation of this forum was home to pitch battles between warriors on the sides of Leichhardt and Campbelltown, far more heated and frequent then we have now

 

[Ed_Reschs]

Good on the Magpies in my opinion. The time has finally arrived where they've got their house in order and now they can have a say in a few things in this supposed JV.

 

[Staks]

Gary that depends how you interpret the wording or indeed what WSDRL consider to be "all levels" of their club. I'm not necessarily passing judgement on what they're saying because I'm convinced we don't have the complete picture yet. In particular I've seen nothing on WT's take on this.

As I understand it, the combined WT reserves team was more about the internal structures of the WT club rather than any consideration to meet an NRL criteria. As far as I can tell, the WT are still committed to entering a WT team in the state cup team, presumably in opposition to the Wests Magpies team.

We have not heard anything from Balmain either.

You are right about the internal drive for merging the teams. I was just making the point a potential contractual requirement to merge the teams has been removed and this is purely based on the timing of the press release (immediately after the terms of the new TV deal has been released). Whilst the operational benefits have been explained to the Wests Group and Balmain, it would not surprise me if as a part of that discussion, a NRL Reserve Grade competition was considered.

You won't hear from them as they got nothing to lose. Good luck to them though, its a dog eat dog society we live in. The 66.6% here think they are squeeky clean in every aspect of the joint venture. Trying to convince them otherwise is pointless. Why would anyone post what they know when… it's got to the stage now that any posts that state otherwise are shot down by the heirachy.

 

[system]

Nobody is blameless, nobody is clean and there is no great victim.

It is a football club based on two distinct sub clubs with their own political issues.

I want to support Wests Tigers across all grades.

There are alot of sub points such as location that I am going to disagree because of the pre merger position I was in and the fundamental change of mindset that gives anyone from that position and realistically those things will be resolved through generational change

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

To be honest although I come originally from the Balmain side of the merger Inow only support the Wests Tigers. I only really watch the under 20's and NRL games nowadays and that will continue unless the bring in a proper reserve grade comp played on the same day.

In many ways it is good that both Balmain and Wests surrive in then NSW cup. I however fully support the wishes that if the NRL coach wants all the NRL contracted to players to play for the one side and train at the same location as the NRL side. For me that is what is in the best interest of the NRL side and that in the end is what really matters.

I personally wished there was a Wests Tigers reseve grade side playing in a better NRL reserve grade competition and go back to the 3 grades on the one day.

If it continues to be in the current format of the NSW cup I still think that both Balmain and Wests should merge and be called the Wests Tigers becasue as mentioned earlier I would support the NRL coaches call to have all the contracted players in the one side.

 

[magpiecol]

I just think its funny that Balmain have no intention to ever let the Wests Tigers move to Campbelltown.

Does the Magpies have any intention of letting the Wests Tigers ever move to Leichhardt Oval fulltime???

Keep sooking!

Have you BEEN to Liechhardt oval?