Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers

Good article. Certainly some interesting things especially i think his acknowledgement that everyone needs to be treated differently. Not backing down from the toughness of his approach, but expecting the senior players to drive the culture for success.

Most people pick us to be fighting it out for the spoon, but i think this side has a real chance to shock the Rugby League "experts" this year. There were plenty of good signs last year especially against some of the top sides.
 
@tigerap said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303406) said:
So glad we are finally over the sheens era..Farah and Marshall their comeback was seen as fairytale, imo it actually was a setback...they were too influential on the club and players such as Brooks....

Tim Sheens warned us of the problem when he left. Player power.
 
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Madge is not only asking the questions, he’s also answering them. ?
Looks like we got ourselves a coach people!
I wonder who on the board asked Madge if he had the stomach for it? In my mind that is significant, and evidence of the organisations cultural shift. Certainly those who came before Madge and after Sheens didn’t have the stomach for it.


Actually its very rare I give Jason Taylor credit, but I think he did have the stomach for it. He seemed a tough character and would have stuck it out. Trouble is he just doesnt have the ability



Yeah, JT struck me as being a shrewd operator.
The Farah ousting would've been messy but whether we agreed or not, he did stick to his guns on that one. It almost seemed like the the club used him for that specific purpose then turfed him not long after.


I agree but dont get me wrong, I hated JT as a coach and dont like him much as a bloke, but he certainly has the courage of his convictions. It feels like to me that he and the club had a plan to rebuild that would have taken a lot of early pain (possibly along the lines of Madges current rebuild) but the club reached the decision that JT wasnt the man to finish it off.



Agree. Like they utilised that particular part of his character to achieve a specific goal then cut him loose in favour of someone they thought could handle the next step.


You are giving the board far too much credit to have come up with a plan like that.I doubt anyone of them would come up with a plan by Baldric let alone Machieavelli(spelling probably wrong).



Perhaps, lol. But at the time I was hopeful that JT was the iron fist, wielding a big stick that we needed to stir the pot of mediocrity.
So glad to see the signs that the board is in Magde's corner and are providing a solid platform for him.
I'm excited by the sense we're on the way up. Of course, we'll have a better idea in 6-12mths of where we're at. For now, we just wait and trust in the process.
 
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@twentyforty said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303454) said:
Madge is not only asking the questions, he’s also answering them. ?
Looks like we got ourselves a coach people!
I wonder who on the board asked Madge if he had the stomach for it? In my mind that is significant, and evidence of the organisations cultural shift. Certainly those who came before Madge and after Sheens didn’t have the stomach for it.


Actually its very rare I give Jason Taylor credit, but I think he did have the stomach for it. He seemed a tough character and would have stuck it out. Trouble is he just doesnt have the ability


I think the WT coaching job had a unique set of challenges even during the Sheens era. Not having the stomach for it could have meant, not wanting to deal with the extraneous curved balls? I doubt many other clubs have senior players perpetuating a coup d’etat?
 
@twentyforty said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303454) said:
Madge is not only asking the questions, he’s also answering them. 😝
Looks like we got ourselves a coach people!
I wonder who on the board asked Madge if he had the stomach for it? In my mind that is significant, and evidence of the organisations cultural shift. Certainly those who came before Madge and after Sheens didn’t have the stomach for it.

I think Lee H. is probably the guy that has leant Madge enormous support and is making sure he is getting what he wants.
A good combo of coach and Chair. I'm sure Pascoe is also in total agreement.
 
Michael Maguire (15/02/2021)
THE JIMMY SMITH SHOW

Why Maguire is confident his side can make the top eight in 2021.

Hear what he had to say about the side's pre-season
https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=790942
 
JT was a flog.

Let's back up the fluff articles for once.
Melbourne won the comp away from home and will prob do it this year as well.
No more excuses.
Sick of losing
 
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@happy_tiger said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303440) said:
@kazoo-kid said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303392) said:
[**‘I’m not dealing with kids here’: Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers**](https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/i-m-not-dealing-with-kids-here-maguire-lifts-lid-on-player-power-at-tigers-20210214-p572e5.html)

By [Michael Chammas](https://www.smh.com.au/by/michael-chammas-hvenc)

There’s a perception of Michael Maguire that the coach just can’t shake. Nor does he care to.

In the last two seasons, that perception has arguably cost the Wests Tigers the signatures of several big-name stars reluctant to become just another chapter in the story of the intense, ruthless coach who pushes his players to the brink - and sometimes beyond.

Last year, at the risk of losing his job, which has since been secured in the form of a two-year extension, Maguire drove his players beyond their comfort zone. Some turned on him.

"I was aware," Maguire admitted of the growing unrest in the playing group towards him. "I was well aware. We were pushing boundaries that we hadn’t pushed before. But we have to push the club to a higher level. If we keep doing things the same, we will get the same result."

When the Herald sat down to interview Maguire recently, it was apparent that little is known about the coach and his interests away from rugby league.

"You probably don’t ask the right questions," Maguire fires back. "You always want to go to the other stuff. I’ve got plenty of different interests."

But even when asked the "right questions", Maguire reverts back to an old school give-em-nothing approach that - for the most part - has served him well throughout his coaching career.

"It’s nothing that I want to share," he says. But it’s that very demeanour that amplifies a perception that is backed up by the stories of boa constrictors and baseball bats in dressing rooms, or how South Sydney players used to get fined for using certain words in the media.

"If they are doing it on the park, doesn’t that do the talking?" Maguire asks. "I get we need to do our part to promote the game and those sorts of things, but the success on the park is what creates the greatest ride.

"If I see my players successful and the boys enjoying the ride of what happens when you win a grand final, they get to see what’s real. Because I saw a lot of fans [at Souths] enjoying that ride. They are the ones I care about. I saw a lot of Souths fans living in hope. It went from hope to actually believing it. Then it was that belief that helped us achieve it. That’s more special than people knowing about what I do away from footy.

"The players may say certain things about how hard it was, but I tell you when they were doing that lap around that field with the trophy on grand final day, it was a pretty great moment. They are things this club deserves. That’s why I was so keen to come here."

On day one of pre-season, following a year of stories questioning his coaching methods and their effectiveness on the modern-day footballer, Maguire addressed a squad shorn of over 1000 games of experience. While his demands had previously been met with raised eyebrows by senior players, his audience is now largely receptive.

“I think we all know times have changed and you need to handle each person in a different light,” Maguire said. “But I’m also dealing with men. I’m not dealing with kids here. It is the responsibility of the senior guys to set a tone around what they want to achieve. If they go after that and they set standards, it influences the young ones.

“You’re growing these men to take ownership of what they are doing. We need leaders to help these younger generations realise that life is not easy. There are challenges, but if you fight through those challenges, it’s amazing what you can achieve.”

Maguire won’t go into detail about how his once-strong relationship with Tigers legend Benji Marshall deteriorated after he dropped the five-eighth following the round four loss to the Gold Coast Titans.

But Maguire made no apologies when asked if he made unnecessary changes that ultimately led to the players, in a private team meeting, admitting they were “walking on eggshells” around their coach.

“I’ve come to the club to make it successful,” Maguire said. “Did I make change for stimulation last year? Yeah, I did. At times it worked, at times it didn’t. But if you keep doing the same you’ll end up the same. I think sometimes you have to be able to get people out of their comfort zone to go to another level.”

Some at the Wests Tigers last year - both in the playing group and head office - questioned Maguire’s stomach for the fight when reports emerged that he had thrown his hat in the ring for other jobs.

Maguire admits he questioned his ability to succeed in the task of turning the joint venture into the powerhouse it could be given its membership and junior nursery. But he insists that, in the end, it only strengthened his resolve.

"Along the way people are going to talk and chatter and ask questions," Maguire said of the speculation that he was looking for another job.

“Did I have thoughts around how large the challenges ahead of me were going to be? Definitely, I’m not going to lie about that. When I sat down and the Wests Tigers became a club that was available to come to, it was the one I actually wanted. I see the size of the club and the momentum that will get behind the Wests Tigers is enormous. I feel that’s coming.

"Have I seen the change as fast as I would have liked? Probably not. There are more challenges in this job than what I’ve experienced before, but we will make this club successful."

So you DID apply for the Cowboys job and the Walker Brothers weren't LYING ?????

Where does the article day that?

The part where he questions his ability to get this club / squad over the line

And also the fact people in the squad and other at the club questioned him .....

Still looking for the part that says "I applied for work at the cowboys...."
There's absolutely no connection. How on earth have you managed to join dots here?
 
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@happy_tiger said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303440) said:
@kazoo-kid said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303392) said:
[**‘I’m not dealing with kids here’: Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers**](https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/i-m-not-dealing-with-kids-here-maguire-lifts-lid-on-player-power-at-tigers-20210214-p572e5.html)

By [Michael Chammas](https://www.smh.com.au/by/michael-chammas-hvenc)

There’s a perception of Michael Maguire that the coach just can’t shake. Nor does he care to.

In the last two seasons, that perception has arguably cost the Wests Tigers the signatures of several big-name stars reluctant to become just another chapter in the story of the intense, ruthless coach who pushes his players to the brink - and sometimes beyond.

Last year, at the risk of losing his job, which has since been secured in the form of a two-year extension, Maguire drove his players beyond their comfort zone. Some turned on him.

"I was aware," Maguire admitted of the growing unrest in the playing group towards him. "I was well aware. We were pushing boundaries that we hadn’t pushed before. But we have to push the club to a higher level. If we keep doing things the same, we will get the same result."

When the Herald sat down to interview Maguire recently, it was apparent that little is known about the coach and his interests away from rugby league.

"You probably don’t ask the right questions," Maguire fires back. "You always want to go to the other stuff. I’ve got plenty of different interests."

But even when asked the "right questions", Maguire reverts back to an old school give-em-nothing approach that - for the most part - has served him well throughout his coaching career.

"It’s nothing that I want to share," he says. But it’s that very demeanour that amplifies a perception that is backed up by the stories of boa constrictors and baseball bats in dressing rooms, or how South Sydney players used to get fined for using certain words in the media.

"If they are doing it on the park, doesn’t that do the talking?" Maguire asks. "I get we need to do our part to promote the game and those sorts of things, but the success on the park is what creates the greatest ride.

"If I see my players successful and the boys enjoying the ride of what happens when you win a grand final, they get to see what’s real. Because I saw a lot of fans [at Souths] enjoying that ride. They are the ones I care about. I saw a lot of Souths fans living in hope. It went from hope to actually believing it. Then it was that belief that helped us achieve it. That’s more special than people knowing about what I do away from footy.

"The players may say certain things about how hard it was, but I tell you when they were doing that lap around that field with the trophy on grand final day, it was a pretty great moment. They are things this club deserves. That’s why I was so keen to come here."

On day one of pre-season, following a year of stories questioning his coaching methods and their effectiveness on the modern-day footballer, Maguire addressed a squad shorn of over 1000 games of experience. While his demands had previously been met with raised eyebrows by senior players, his audience is now largely receptive.

“I think we all know times have changed and you need to handle each person in a different light,” Maguire said. “But I’m also dealing with men. I’m not dealing with kids here. It is the responsibility of the senior guys to set a tone around what they want to achieve. If they go after that and they set standards, it influences the young ones.

“You’re growing these men to take ownership of what they are doing. We need leaders to help these younger generations realise that life is not easy. There are challenges, but if you fight through those challenges, it’s amazing what you can achieve.”

Maguire won’t go into detail about how his once-strong relationship with Tigers legend Benji Marshall deteriorated after he dropped the five-eighth following the round four loss to the Gold Coast Titans.

But Maguire made no apologies when asked if he made unnecessary changes that ultimately led to the players, in a private team meeting, admitting they were “walking on eggshells” around their coach.

“I’ve come to the club to make it successful,” Maguire said. “Did I make change for stimulation last year? Yeah, I did. At times it worked, at times it didn’t. But if you keep doing the same you’ll end up the same. I think sometimes you have to be able to get people out of their comfort zone to go to another level.”

Some at the Wests Tigers last year - both in the playing group and head office - questioned Maguire’s stomach for the fight when reports emerged that he had thrown his hat in the ring for other jobs.

Maguire admits he questioned his ability to succeed in the task of turning the joint venture into the powerhouse it could be given its membership and junior nursery. But he insists that, in the end, it only strengthened his resolve.

"Along the way people are going to talk and chatter and ask questions," Maguire said of the speculation that he was looking for another job.

“Did I have thoughts around how large the challenges ahead of me were going to be? Definitely, I’m not going to lie about that. When I sat down and the Wests Tigers became a club that was available to come to, it was the one I actually wanted. I see the size of the club and the momentum that will get behind the Wests Tigers is enormous. I feel that’s coming.

"Have I seen the change as fast as I would have liked? Probably not. There are more challenges in this job than what I’ve experienced before, but we will make this club successful."

So you DID apply for the Cowboys job and the Walker Brothers weren't LYING ?????

Where does the article day that?

The part where he questions his ability to get this club / squad over the line

And also the fact people in the squad and other at the club questioned him .....

Still looking for the part that says "I applied for work at the cowboys...."
There's absolutely no connection. How on earth have you managed to join dots here?

I think it’s a Qld thing . Something about the Walker brothers stating that Madge applied for the job , which makes it hard for them to push into nrl . I don’t think it got any traction down here .
 
@willow said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303488) said:
I've never doubted Maguire's ability to get the job done, but we've certainly got some players who just don't perform consistently out on the field, and a lack of a real forwards leader who sets the tone for the rest of the pack to follow is crucial in my eyes.

Biggest stat that let us down last year is making metres up the middle, and defending through the middle - they say defence is an attitude and I reckon they're right. Teams like Melbourne, Roosters, Panthers smell blood when they've got a team rolling backwards and they don't let up - we need to follow suit.

It's going to be interesting to see this season unfold because physically I don't think I've ever seen the WT look as good as they do now. We've got size, got some speed but have we got the right attitude? That's the question we need answered...

the hard pill to swallow will be that we will most likely need to faceplant once or twice to learn to deal with adversity properly... I get the feeling that we wont drop our bundle as easily, having the class to not panic and build back into the game may take a bit of learning still.
 
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[**‘I’m not dealing with kids here’: Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers**](https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/i-m-not-dealing-with-kids-here-maguire-lifts-lid-on-player-power-at-tigers-20210214-p572e5.html)

By [Michael Chammas](https://www.smh.com.au/by/michael-chammas-hvenc)

There’s a perception of Michael Maguire that the coach just can’t shake. Nor does he care to.

In the last two seasons, that perception has arguably cost the Wests Tigers the signatures of several big-name stars reluctant to become just another chapter in the story of the intense, ruthless coach who pushes his players to the brink - and sometimes beyond.

Last year, at the risk of losing his job, which has since been secured in the form of a two-year extension, Maguire drove his players beyond their comfort zone. Some turned on him.

"I was aware," Maguire admitted of the growing unrest in the playing group towards him. "I was well aware. We were pushing boundaries that we hadn’t pushed before. But we have to push the club to a higher level. If we keep doing things the same, we will get the same result."

When the Herald sat down to interview Maguire recently, it was apparent that little is known about the coach and his interests away from rugby league.

"You probably don’t ask the right questions," Maguire fires back. "You always want to go to the other stuff. I’ve got plenty of different interests."

But even when asked the "right questions", Maguire reverts back to an old school give-em-nothing approach that - for the most part - has served him well throughout his coaching career.

"It’s nothing that I want to share," he says. But it’s that very demeanour that amplifies a perception that is backed up by the stories of boa constrictors and baseball bats in dressing rooms, or how South Sydney players used to get fined for using certain words in the media.

"If they are doing it on the park, doesn’t that do the talking?" Maguire asks. "I get we need to do our part to promote the game and those sorts of things, but the success on the park is what creates the greatest ride.

"If I see my players successful and the boys enjoying the ride of what happens when you win a grand final, they get to see what’s real. Because I saw a lot of fans [at Souths] enjoying that ride. They are the ones I care about. I saw a lot of Souths fans living in hope. It went from hope to actually believing it. Then it was that belief that helped us achieve it. That’s more special than people knowing about what I do away from footy.

"The players may say certain things about how hard it was, but I tell you when they were doing that lap around that field with the trophy on grand final day, it was a pretty great moment. They are things this club deserves. That’s why I was so keen to come here."

On day one of pre-season, following a year of stories questioning his coaching methods and their effectiveness on the modern-day footballer, Maguire addressed a squad shorn of over 1000 games of experience. While his demands had previously been met with raised eyebrows by senior players, his audience is now largely receptive.

“I think we all know times have changed and you need to handle each person in a different light,” Maguire said. “But I’m also dealing with men. I’m not dealing with kids here. It is the responsibility of the senior guys to set a tone around what they want to achieve. If they go after that and they set standards, it influences the young ones.

“You’re growing these men to take ownership of what they are doing. We need leaders to help these younger generations realise that life is not easy. There are challenges, but if you fight through those challenges, it’s amazing what you can achieve.”

Maguire won’t go into detail about how his once-strong relationship with Tigers legend Benji Marshall deteriorated after he dropped the five-eighth following the round four loss to the Gold Coast Titans.

But Maguire made no apologies when asked if he made unnecessary changes that ultimately led to the players, in a private team meeting, admitting they were “walking on eggshells” around their coach.

“I’ve come to the club to make it successful,” Maguire said. “Did I make change for stimulation last year? Yeah, I did. At times it worked, at times it didn’t. But if you keep doing the same you’ll end up the same. I think sometimes you have to be able to get people out of their comfort zone to go to another level.”

Some at the Wests Tigers last year - both in the playing group and head office - questioned Maguire’s stomach for the fight when reports emerged that he had thrown his hat in the ring for other jobs.

Maguire admits he questioned his ability to succeed in the task of turning the joint venture into the powerhouse it could be given its membership and junior nursery. But he insists that, in the end, it only strengthened his resolve.

"Along the way people are going to talk and chatter and ask questions," Maguire said of the speculation that he was looking for another job.

“Did I have thoughts around how large the challenges ahead of me were going to be? Definitely, I’m not going to lie about that. When I sat down and the Wests Tigers became a club that was available to come to, it was the one I actually wanted. I see the size of the club and the momentum that will get behind the Wests Tigers is enormous. I feel that’s coming.

"Have I seen the change as fast as I would have liked? Probably not. There are more challenges in this job than what I’ve experienced before, but we will make this club successful."

So you DID apply for the Cowboys job and the Walker Brothers weren't LYING ?????

Where does the article day that?

The part where he questions his ability to get this club / squad over the line

And also the fact people in the squad and other at the club questioned him .....

Still looking for the part that says "I applied for work at the cowboys...."
There's absolutely no connection. How on earth have you managed to join dots here?

I think it’s a Qld thing . Something about the Walker brothers stating that Madge applied for the job , which makes it hard for them to push into nrl . I don’t think it got any traction down here .

This has come from someone I've known for close to 40 years and has worked with the Walkers quite a while now

The Walkers asked who else was in the running ..one of the names mentioned was Madge ......originally I had assumed it was actually Kevie ...but he finally told me ....
 
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By [Michael Chammas](https://www.smh.com.au/by/michael-chammas-hvenc)

There’s a perception of Michael Maguire that the coach just can’t shake. Nor does he care to.

In the last two seasons, that perception has arguably cost the Wests Tigers the signatures of several big-name stars reluctant to become just another chapter in the story of the intense, ruthless coach who pushes his players to the brink - and sometimes beyond.

Last year, at the risk of losing his job, which has since been secured in the form of a two-year extension, Maguire drove his players beyond their comfort zone. Some turned on him.

"I was aware," Maguire admitted of the growing unrest in the playing group towards him. "I was well aware. We were pushing boundaries that we hadn’t pushed before. But we have to push the club to a higher level. If we keep doing things the same, we will get the same result."

When the Herald sat down to interview Maguire recently, it was apparent that little is known about the coach and his interests away from rugby league.

"You probably don’t ask the right questions," Maguire fires back. "You always want to go to the other stuff. I’ve got plenty of different interests."

But even when asked the "right questions", Maguire reverts back to an old school give-em-nothing approach that - for the most part - has served him well throughout his coaching career.

"It’s nothing that I want to share," he says. But it’s that very demeanour that amplifies a perception that is backed up by the stories of boa constrictors and baseball bats in dressing rooms, or how South Sydney players used to get fined for using certain words in the media.

"If they are doing it on the park, doesn’t that do the talking?" Maguire asks. "I get we need to do our part to promote the game and those sorts of things, but the success on the park is what creates the greatest ride.

"If I see my players successful and the boys enjoying the ride of what happens when you win a grand final, they get to see what’s real. Because I saw a lot of fans [at Souths] enjoying that ride. They are the ones I care about. I saw a lot of Souths fans living in hope. It went from hope to actually believing it. Then it was that belief that helped us achieve it. That’s more special than people knowing about what I do away from footy.

"The players may say certain things about how hard it was, but I tell you when they were doing that lap around that field with the trophy on grand final day, it was a pretty great moment. They are things this club deserves. That’s why I was so keen to come here."

On day one of pre-season, following a year of stories questioning his coaching methods and their effectiveness on the modern-day footballer, Maguire addressed a squad shorn of over 1000 games of experience. While his demands had previously been met with raised eyebrows by senior players, his audience is now largely receptive.

“I think we all know times have changed and you need to handle each person in a different light,” Maguire said. “But I’m also dealing with men. I’m not dealing with kids here. It is the responsibility of the senior guys to set a tone around what they want to achieve. If they go after that and they set standards, it influences the young ones.

“You’re growing these men to take ownership of what they are doing. We need leaders to help these younger generations realise that life is not easy. There are challenges, but if you fight through those challenges, it’s amazing what you can achieve.”

Maguire won’t go into detail about how his once-strong relationship with Tigers legend Benji Marshall deteriorated after he dropped the five-eighth following the round four loss to the Gold Coast Titans.

But Maguire made no apologies when asked if he made unnecessary changes that ultimately led to the players, in a private team meeting, admitting they were “walking on eggshells” around their coach.

“I’ve come to the club to make it successful,” Maguire said. “Did I make change for stimulation last year? Yeah, I did. At times it worked, at times it didn’t. But if you keep doing the same you’ll end up the same. I think sometimes you have to be able to get people out of their comfort zone to go to another level.”

Some at the Wests Tigers last year - both in the playing group and head office - questioned Maguire’s stomach for the fight when reports emerged that he had thrown his hat in the ring for other jobs.

Maguire admits he questioned his ability to succeed in the task of turning the joint venture into the powerhouse it could be given its membership and junior nursery. But he insists that, in the end, it only strengthened his resolve.

"Along the way people are going to talk and chatter and ask questions," Maguire said of the speculation that he was looking for another job.

“Did I have thoughts around how large the challenges ahead of me were going to be? Definitely, I’m not going to lie about that. When I sat down and the Wests Tigers became a club that was available to come to, it was the one I actually wanted. I see the size of the club and the momentum that will get behind the Wests Tigers is enormous. I feel that’s coming.

"Have I seen the change as fast as I would have liked? Probably not. There are more challenges in this job than what I’ve experienced before, but we will make this club successful."

So you DID apply for the Cowboys job and the Walker Brothers weren't LYING ?????

Where does the article day that?

The part where he questions his ability to get this club / squad over the line

And also the fact people in the squad and other at the club questioned him .....

Still looking for the part that says "I applied for work at the cowboys...."
There's absolutely no connection. How on earth have you managed to join dots here?

I think it’s a Qld thing . Something about the Walker brothers stating that Madge applied for the job , which makes it hard for them to push into nrl . I don’t think it got any traction down here .

This has come from someone I've known for close to 40 years and has worked with the Walkers quite a while now

The Walkers asked who else was in the running ..one of the names mentioned was Madge ......originally I had assumed it was actually Kevie ...but he finally told me ....

Not doubting the walkers story . But could the guy who said that to them just be blowing thier own horn a bit. Like “this is a prestige job . We have premiership winning coaches applying like Madge , it’s going to be tough for you “. And it could be madges manager said what’s your offer to pry him away , as a tactic to get Madge paid here . Just an alternate scenario.

Or Madge got the poos with all the bull crap that goes on around the tigers . It was around the benji tantrum this came out wasn’t it ?
 
@tiger5150 said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303517) said:
@magpieger said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303515) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303507) said:
@twentyforty said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303454) said:
Madge is not only asking the questions, he’s also answering them. ?
Looks like we got ourselves a coach people!
I wonder who on the board asked Madge if he had the stomach for it? In my mind that is significant, and evidence of the organisations cultural shift. Certainly those who came before Madge and after Sheens didn’t have the stomach for it.


Actually its very rare I give Jason Taylor credit, but I think he did have the stomach for it. He seemed a tough character and would have stuck it out. Trouble is he just doesnt have the ability



Yeah, JT struck me as being a shrewd operator.
The Farah ousting would've been messy but whether we agreed or not, he did stick to his guns on that one. It almost seemed like the the club used him for that specific purpose then turfed him not long after.


I agree but dont get me wrong, I hated JT as a coach and dont like him much as a bloke, but he certainly has the courage of his convictions. It feels like to me that he and the club had a plan to rebuild that would have taken a lot of early pain (possibly along the lines of Madges current rebuild) but the club reached the decision that JT wasnt the man to finish it off.

Wish they had the courage and smarts to do it a year earlier if so, instead of having him lose all standing by apologising in front of the playing group over Farahgate when Pascoe arrived. Then punting Robbie anyway and even worse, bringing him back and the price WT paid at every stage, even after he had finished playing. No coach should have to put up with that.

Had my doubts about Maguire and the modern player, though was encouraged by changes I saw in the latter part of the season and more so the words of Roberts of an improved personality and/or approach from his early souths days upon arrival at WT training.
 
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[**‘I’m not dealing with kids here’: Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers**](https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/i-m-not-dealing-with-kids-here-maguire-lifts-lid-on-player-power-at-tigers-20210214-p572e5.html)

By [Michael Chammas](https://www.smh.com.au/by/michael-chammas-hvenc)

There’s a perception of Michael Maguire that the coach just can’t shake. Nor does he care to.

In the last two seasons, that perception has arguably cost the Wests Tigers the signatures of several big-name stars reluctant to become just another chapter in the story of the intense, ruthless coach who pushes his players to the brink - and sometimes beyond.

Last year, at the risk of losing his job, which has since been secured in the form of a two-year extension, Maguire drove his players beyond their comfort zone. Some turned on him.

"I was aware," Maguire admitted of the growing unrest in the playing group towards him. "I was well aware. We were pushing boundaries that we hadn’t pushed before. But we have to push the club to a higher level. If we keep doing things the same, we will get the same result."

When the Herald sat down to interview Maguire recently, it was apparent that little is known about the coach and his interests away from rugby league.

"You probably don’t ask the right questions," Maguire fires back. "You always want to go to the other stuff. I’ve got plenty of different interests."

But even when asked the "right questions", Maguire reverts back to an old school give-em-nothing approach that - for the most part - has served him well throughout his coaching career.

"It’s nothing that I want to share," he says. But it’s that very demeanour that amplifies a perception that is backed up by the stories of boa constrictors and baseball bats in dressing rooms, or how South Sydney players used to get fined for using certain words in the media.

"If they are doing it on the park, doesn’t that do the talking?" Maguire asks. "I get we need to do our part to promote the game and those sorts of things, but the success on the park is what creates the greatest ride.

"If I see my players successful and the boys enjoying the ride of what happens when you win a grand final, they get to see what’s real. Because I saw a lot of fans [at Souths] enjoying that ride. They are the ones I care about. I saw a lot of Souths fans living in hope. It went from hope to actually believing it. Then it was that belief that helped us achieve it. That’s more special than people knowing about what I do away from footy.

"The players may say certain things about how hard it was, but I tell you when they were doing that lap around that field with the trophy on grand final day, it was a pretty great moment. They are things this club deserves. That’s why I was so keen to come here."

On day one of pre-season, following a year of stories questioning his coaching methods and their effectiveness on the modern-day footballer, Maguire addressed a squad shorn of over 1000 games of experience. While his demands had previously been met with raised eyebrows by senior players, his audience is now largely receptive.

“I think we all know times have changed and you need to handle each person in a different light,” Maguire said. “But I’m also dealing with men. I’m not dealing with kids here. It is the responsibility of the senior guys to set a tone around what they want to achieve. If they go after that and they set standards, it influences the young ones.

“You’re growing these men to take ownership of what they are doing. We need leaders to help these younger generations realise that life is not easy. There are challenges, but if you fight through those challenges, it’s amazing what you can achieve.”

Maguire won’t go into detail about how his once-strong relationship with Tigers legend Benji Marshall deteriorated after he dropped the five-eighth following the round four loss to the Gold Coast Titans.

But Maguire made no apologies when asked if he made unnecessary changes that ultimately led to the players, in a private team meeting, admitting they were “walking on eggshells” around their coach.

“I’ve come to the club to make it successful,” Maguire said. “Did I make change for stimulation last year? Yeah, I did. At times it worked, at times it didn’t. But if you keep doing the same you’ll end up the same. I think sometimes you have to be able to get people out of their comfort zone to go to another level.”

Some at the Wests Tigers last year - both in the playing group and head office - questioned Maguire’s stomach for the fight when reports emerged that he had thrown his hat in the ring for other jobs.

Maguire admits he questioned his ability to succeed in the task of turning the joint venture into the powerhouse it could be given its membership and junior nursery. But he insists that, in the end, it only strengthened his resolve.

"Along the way people are going to talk and chatter and ask questions," Maguire said of the speculation that he was looking for another job.

“Did I have thoughts around how large the challenges ahead of me were going to be? Definitely, I’m not going to lie about that. When I sat down and the Wests Tigers became a club that was available to come to, it was the one I actually wanted. I see the size of the club and the momentum that will get behind the Wests Tigers is enormous. I feel that’s coming.

"Have I seen the change as fast as I would have liked? Probably not. There are more challenges in this job than what I’ve experienced before, but we will make this club successful."

So you DID apply for the Cowboys job and the Walker Brothers weren't LYING ?????

Where does the article day that?

The part where he questions his ability to get this club / squad over the line

And also the fact people in the squad and other at the club questioned him .....

Still looking for the part that says "I applied for work at the cowboys...."
There's absolutely no connection. How on earth have you managed to join dots here?

I think it’s a Qld thing . Something about the Walker brothers stating that Madge applied for the job , which makes it hard for them to push into nrl . I don’t think it got any traction down here .

This has come from someone I've known for close to 40 years and has worked with the Walkers quite a while now

The Walkers asked who else was in the running ..one of the names mentioned was Madge ......originally I had assumed it was actually Kevie ...but he finally told me ....

Not doubting the walkers story . But could the guy who said that to them just be blowing thier own horn a bit. Like “this is a prestige job . We have premiership winning coaches applying like Madge , it’s going to be tough for you “. And it could be madges manager said what’s your offer to pry him away , as a tactic to get Madge paid here . Just an alternate scenario.

Or Madge got the poos with all the bull crap that goes on around the tigers . It was around the benji tantrum this came out wasn’t it ?

Madge would turn broncos around faster fashion than tigers
 
Off topic a bit but has anyone been listening to the dribble that Peter Tunks spews about Wests Tigers chances this year based on the fact that we let players go , our signings etc. I cant wait till we smash his doggies hopefully to put him and his club in place lol.
 
@cqtiger said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303551) said:
@tigerap said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303406) said:
So glad we are finally over the sheens era..Farah and Marshall their comeback was seen as fairytale, imo it actually was a setback...they were too influential on the club and players such as Brooks....

Tim Sheens warned us of the problem when he left. Player power.

But in the same sentence ...he did create the problem and let it run rampant ...
 
@gazman said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303829) said:
Off topic a bit but has anyone been listening to the dribble that Peter Tunks spews about Wests Tigers chances this year based on the fact that we let players go , our signings etc. I cant wait till we smash his doggies hopefully to put him and his club in place lol.

I'M with you there,and Peter Tunks,a brain dead forward, who cares?
 
@sleeve said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303844) said:
@gazman said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303829) said:
Off topic a bit but has anyone been listening to the dribble that Peter Tunks spews about Wests Tigers chances this year based on the fact that we let players go , our signings etc. I cant wait till we smash his doggies hopefully to put him and his club in place lol.

I'M with you there,and Peter Tunks,a brain dead forward, who cares?

His actually good to listen to, I haven’t heard the latest but he usually makes really good points. His no slouch. First grade coach over in England and is now involved with junior development. It would be nice to prove him wrong though, but these guys are just calling a duck a duck. No need to get upset by his comments. His paid to make them.
 
@needaname said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303851) said:
@sleeve said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303844) said:
@gazman said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303829) said:
Off topic a bit but has anyone been listening to the dribble that Peter Tunks spews about Wests Tigers chances this year based on the fact that we let players go , our signings etc. I cant wait till we smash his doggies hopefully to put him and his club in place lol.

I'M with you there,and Peter Tunks,a brain dead forward, who cares?

His actually good to listen to, I haven’t heard the latest but he usually makes really good points. His no slouch. First grade coach over in England and is now involved with junior development. It would be nice to prove him wrong though, but these guys are just calling a duck a duck. No need to get upset by his comments. His paid to make them.

And would not have any bias.lol.
 
@sleeve said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303853) said:
@needaname said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303851) said:
@sleeve said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303844) said:
@gazman said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303829) said:
Off topic a bit but has anyone been listening to the dribble that Peter Tunks spews about Wests Tigers chances this year based on the fact that we let players go , our signings etc. I cant wait till we smash his doggies hopefully to put him and his club in place lol.

I'M with you there,and Peter Tunks,a brain dead forward, who cares?

His actually good to listen to, I haven’t heard the latest but he usually makes really good points. His no slouch. First grade coach over in England and is now involved with junior development. It would be nice to prove him wrong though, but these guys are just calling a duck a duck. No need to get upset by his comments. His paid to make them.

And would not have any bias.lol.

The only bias would be one his a bulldog through and through and two Robbo is a huge Wests Tigers fan and Tunksy likes giving him stick.
 

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