Malakai Watene-Zelezniak

MWZ efforts against Uate were not good.

However, he has played what - less than a dozen games of NRL so all in all he is not going too bad.

If it got to a choice between him and Kev at the present time - I'd take Kev.
 
Post match interview with MWZ http://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2017/08/13/post_match_reaction__1317475537.html

Good attitude, he had a very tough match up.
 
People can't forget that Aku Uate this year isn't the same Uate that's bludged around Newcastle for the last few seasons. The bloke has completely rediscovered his form, form that saw him win Dally M Winger a couple of times and play for Australia.
Like Jirskyr said, the second one is a bit disappointing given the time he had to set himself, but for a bloke in his first few months of NRL up against a player like Uate, he gave it a fair crack.
Like was pointed out in a previous thread, you hold your breath when Kev or Nofo have questions asked of them, waiting for the inevitable unforced error, I don't have that same worry with MWZ. The bloke was beaten by quality, and will only learn from it.
Definitely has the attitude and work ethic you want around the team going forward.
 
He's so much better than Kev it's not funny. Only played what 7-8 games of first grade. Uate is playing real well this season, much better than any of our wingers. An inexperienced player got done by an experienced former rep player, but MWZ still got the last laugh. I like it.
 
Solid player who tries his guts out each game. Would prefer his brother however. He needed to stay on his wing today to shut down uate but came good at the end. All was forgiven when he scored
 
Seems like a good guy and yes, he tries really hard - BUT his brother is definitely a class above him. Furthermore a quality winger is ever so important - just look at the really good teams and the wingers they have - look at guys who can make a try out of nothing or finish with no space at all. Radradra, Vunivalu, Mansour, Rona, Valentine Holmes, JAC, French, Corey Oates etc. These guys can be the difference between winning and losing games.
The wing position is not what it used to be - it has become one of the key positions in a team. As mean as it sounds - if we are serious about a premiership then we need a better winger than MWZ.
 
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MWZ efforts against Uate were not good.

However, he has played what - less than a dozen games of NRL so all in all he is not going too bad.

If it got to a choice between him and Kev at the present time - I'd take Kev.

Eek. That isn't saying much.
 
One of the try's that Uate scored Kev should of helped malakai push him out but he just watched him I think it was the second one…. but I don't think Kev or malakai are fg players
 
One of the reasons Kev hasn't really improved is because he knew he would be playing first grade week in and out, as we had no depth. Defensively MWZ was terrible yesterday. But we will have depth next year and it will be a fight out for the centres and wing spots which should hopefully lead to players knowing if the don't perform they get dropped.
 
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One of the try's that Uate scored Kev should of helped malakai push him out but he just watched him I think it was the second one…. but I don't think Kev or malakai are fg players

You do realise Kev had to stop Walker first, then when he off loaded to Uate he freed himself and tried to help MWZ but didn't have enough time to get there.

Expectations of what some people think Kev should do are astounding. Bag him by all means but not when he doesn't deserve it.

Welcome to the Forum by the way.
 
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One of the try's that Uate scored Kev should of helped malakai push him out but he just watched him I think it was the second one…. but I don't think Kev or malakai are fg players

You do realise Kev had to stop Walker first, then when he off loaded to Uate he freed himself and tried to help MWZ but didn't have enough time to get there.

Expectations of what some people think Kev should do are astounding. Bag him by all means but not when he doesn't deserve it.

Welcome to the Forum by the way.

Yes but he still had time to help put him over the sideline. Kev picks the wrong option at least once a game and lets a try in I cringe every time the play gets sent out his way. I think if you watch that try closey you will see, I replayed it about 3 times.
 
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One of the try's that Uate scored Kev should of helped malakai push him out but he just watched him I think it was the second one…. but I don't think Kev or malakai are fg players

You do realise Kev had to stop Walker first, then when he off loaded to Uate he freed himself and tried to help MWZ but didn't have enough time to get there.

Expectations of what some people think Kev should do are astounding. Bag him by all means but not when he doesn't deserve it.

Welcome to the Forum by the way.

Yes but he still had time to help put him over the sideline. Kev picks the wrong option at least once a game and lets a try in I cringe every time the play gets sent out his way. I think if you watch that try closey you will see, I replayed it about 3 times.

Disagree, I don't think he could have done anything more than he did.

Anyway agree to disagree.
 
I like MWZ for the fact that he normally makes decent metres scooting from dummy half, he rarely gets dominated in tackles and of all our backs he has a brilliant quick play the ball
 
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Seems like a good guy and yes, he tries really hard - BUT his brother is definitely a class above him. Furthermore a quality winger is ever so important - just look at the really good teams and the wingers they have - look at guys who can make a try out of nothing or finish with no space at all. Radradra, Vunivalu, Mansour, Rona, Valentine Holmes, JAC, French, Corey Oates etc. These guys can be the difference between winning and losing games.
The wing position is not what it used to be - it has become one of the key positions in a team. As mean as it sounds - if we are serious about a premiership then we need a better winger than MWZ.

We won in 05 with Fitzhenry on one wing…
 
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Seems like a good guy and yes, he tries really hard - BUT his brother is definitely a class above him. Furthermore a quality winger is ever so important - just look at the really good teams and the wingers they have - look at guys who can make a try out of nothing or finish with no space at all. Radradra, Vunivalu, Mansour, Rona, Valentine Holmes, JAC, French, Corey Oates etc. These guys can be the difference between winning and losing games.
The wing position is not what it used to be - it has become one of the key positions in a team. As mean as it sounds - if we are serious about a premiership then we need a better winger than MWZ.

We won in 05 with Fitzhenry on one wing…

Yes, but he was a champion.
 
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Seems like a good guy and yes, he tries really hard - BUT his brother is definitely a class above him. Furthermore a quality winger is ever so important - just look at the really good teams and the wingers they have - look at guys who can make a try out of nothing or finish with no space at all. Radradra, Vunivalu, Mansour, Rona, Valentine Holmes, JAC, French, Corey Oates etc. These guys can be the difference between winning and losing games.
The wing position is not what it used to be - it has become one of the key positions in a team. As mean as it sounds - if we are serious about a premiership then we need a better winger than MWZ.

I actually have to disagree, whilst wingers are important they are not key positions in the team. Before the winger scores you need to get up the field through hard work and perseverance from the forwards. Then a quality play out wide, which starts from dummy half, hits the halves/second rower/centre etc. Wingers these days are expected to be sprinters and perform gymnastics in the way they score. If they can catch the ball on the run and get over the try line then we're laughing. This is just my opinion but they don't need to be classy or fast to perform well, even though that is definitely preferred. Unfortunately Nofo was outpaced easily on the weekend but he still scores great tries. I dare say very little people would rate him as a top-class winger in comparison to some freaks like JAC, Holmes, Mansour etc.
I just think the halves and the props are key positions in this modern era of football. We can win a premiership with MWZ.
 
Not all players contracted to a club can play every week - so there has to be depth across the board, just like when clubs had a reserve grade etc.

I remember Coach Cleary saying that he would (next season) be bringing in a culture where all coaches below him were training their teams in the same way the 1st grade team went through their training.
 
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Seems like a good guy and yes, he tries really hard - BUT his brother is definitely a class above him. Furthermore a quality winger is ever so important - just look at the really good teams and the wingers they have - look at guys who can make a try out of nothing or finish with no space at all. Radradra, Vunivalu, Mansour, Rona, Valentine Holmes, JAC, French, Corey Oates etc. These guys can be the difference between winning and losing games.
The wing position is not what it used to be - it has become one of the key positions in a team. As mean as it sounds - if we are serious about a premiership then we need a better winger than MWZ.

I actually have to disagree, whilst wingers are important they are not key positions in the team. Before the winger scores you need to get up the field through hard work and perseverance from the forwards. Then a quality play out wide, which starts from dummy half, hits the halves/second rower/centre etc. Wingers these days are expected to be sprinters and perform gymnastics in the way they score. If they can catch the ball on the run and get over the try line then we're laughing. This is just my opinion but they don't need to be classy or fast to perform well, even though that is definitely preferred. Unfortunately Nofo was outpaced easily on the weekend but he still scores great tries. I dare say very little people would rate him as a top-class winger in comparison to some freaks like JAC, Holmes, Mansour etc.
I just think the halves and the props are key positions in this modern era of football. We can win a premiership with MWZ.

Yep kh, all true. When I said "one of the key positions in a team" I didn't mean more important than the halves or other members of the spine for that matter. And for sure, winning in NRL is certainly dependent on a strong mobile pack. My point was only that in the top teams there are wingers that are capable of winning games with freakish ability - and it happens regularly not just now and then also often without all the lead up work you mention. Thus it makes these guys a key ingredient to a winning team. I believe to have more chance at a premiership, it would help the WTs a lot to have some of that speed and freakish try scoring ability.

On Fitzhenry and the 2005 win - I'd say there was a bit more magic about the 2005 team than there is currently!! (No reflection at all on the magic shown in beating Manly on the weekend).
 
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