Mandatory sin bin

[mtd#2]

No. You got that correct. It was one of the dud calls I was referring to.

The problem is Greg, it happens far too often to the tigers at crucial moments in the game....

Look at the lauallili no penalty try no sin bin vs Parramatta earlier in the season... The same game with the hip drop that wasn't a hip drop... The same game Terrell may was hit with a shoulder to the head..

Douhei sin binned for the "professional foul" on Bateman.. it was a penalty at best but never a sin bin 20mstres out and Douhei was basically just running his line..

It isn't a one off call that we should just "suck up'...

These sh1t decisions compound. A lost 2 points very quickly becomes 6 points, which can be the difference in getting the spoon or finishing somewhat respectably.

And as a team who has 3 spoons in a row we deserve better than "sorry we made another mistake"..

I'm glad Benji commented in the post match presser.. the only way ppl pay attention is when someone shines a light on it -- the media wont.. so Benji has too.

 

[innsaneink]

Mate you’ve been sooking all arvo.
I think a heap of you people need some time away from the game.
You sound like it’s affecting every part of your lives.
This was a good game today and every comment from you and others was about the refs.
It’s bloody pathetic. It really is.

Thats just bullshit.

whats not bs is Its quite clear there is a lot of confusion over this three 6 to go sin bin rule as I stated earlier and someone even started a thread about it.
Many it seems including myself only saw this for the first time last week with sutton binning luai...it appeared to happen again today and thanks to @Tom Shines he clarified things to me without the need to call me and others that werent clear on it butthurt..sooks etc.
Anyone that questions a refs call to you is a sook.
You cant communicate like an adult..constantly denigrating others, the only reason i can see for it is to validate yourself. That seems to be the main reason you're here...to feel better about yourself.
Insecure?
Low self esteem?

Would be something like that

 

[clontarfkid]

The problem is Greg, it happens far too often to the tigers at crucial moments in the game....

Look at the lauallili no penalty try no sin bin vs Parramatta earlier in the season... The same game with the hip drop that wasn't a hip drop... The same game Terrell may was hit with a shoulder to the head..

Douhei sin binned for the "professional foul" on Bateman.. it was a penalty at best but never a sin bin 20mstres out and Douhei was basically just running his line..

It isn't a one off call that we should just "suck up'...

These sh1t decisions compound. A lost 2 points very quickly becomes 6 points, which can be the difference in getting the spoon or finishing somewhat respectably.

And as a team who has 3 spoons in a row we deserve better than "sorry we made another mistake"..

I'm glad Benji commented in the post match presser.. the only way ppl pay attention is when someone shines a light on it -- the media wont.. so Benji has too.

Actually, it needs Richo to make these points..or Chairman Denis...hmm.nah..leave it with Richo
Except he has too much on his plate already

 

[TYGA]

They do this to all the bottom teams. Dogs used to cop the same as do the Titans. Warriors seem to get stitched also which is odd.

 

[Betterdays22]

The joke is supposed fans of the sport that can't see what is being adjudicated.

We were done for 3 ruck infringements, the ones today we're 1 ruck infringement and 2 inside 10m. They aren't the same.

Similarly a ball plant is when a player puts the ball on the ground before they get to their feet. Edwards had gotten to his feet.

No doubt we got a couple dud calls yesterday when the game was in the balance. We also got piggy backed upfield by some soft calls all first half.

I don't get the ref bashing culture in our sport (or any sport). It only leads to worse refereeing standards. But if you are going to criticise anyway, first understand what you are commenting on.

My problem here is that the referee has stated its a "mandatory sinbin" for repeated infringements. Every week we see teams giving away repeated infringements on their line.

I actually don't see how giving away 3 ruck infringements in a row is all that different to a ruck and then 2 offsides. Both are negative and designed to slow or limit the play in some way. There is nothing in the rules that specifies the infringements have to be the same, just that they are repeated infringements.

It was an interpretation of the rules that in my opinion was really harsh with the precedents. Particularly with no warning.

Im the first the rally against relentless referee bashing. 99% of the time its the Tigers poor fitness, weakness in the ruck, terrible decision making and inability to defend a penalty which gets my anger. This one, however, annoyed me

 

[gregjm87]

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The problem is Greg, it happens far too often to the tigers at crucial moments in the game....

Look at the lauallili no penalty try no sin bin vs Parramatta earlier in the season... The same game with the hip drop that wasn't a hip drop... The same game Terrell may was hit with a shoulder to the head..

Douhei sin binned for the "professional foul" on Bateman.. it was a penalty at best but never a sin bin 20mstres out and Douhei was basically just running his line..

It isn't a one off call that we should just "suck up'...

These sh1t decisions compound. A lost 2 points very quickly becomes 6 points, which can be the difference in getting the spoon or finishing somewhat respectably.

And as a team who has 3 spoons in a row we deserve better than "sorry we made another mistake"..

I'm glad Benji commented in the post match presser.. the only way ppl pay attention is when someone shines a light on it -- the media wont.. so Benji has too.

I think a couple of your examples are debatable but I don't want to spend the night arguing every questionable decision.
I'm not going to suggest we don't receive some bad calls. But if you are going to perceive every 50/50 call that goes against us as abhorrent then of course you are going to think we cop more than our fair share. Perhaps we do but I've never seen anyone actually do some stats to prove it.
I'd suggest the reality is:
We get the odd bad call (as every team does). We get the odd 50/50 call against us (as every team does). They are crucial because we need the rub of the green to win games. Just like other bottom teams hence the common take that all bottom teams suffer from the most poor decisions.

 

[gregjm87]

My problem here is that the referee has stated its a "mandatory sinbin" for repeated infringements. Every week we see teams giving away repeated infringements on their line.

I actually don't see how giving away 3 ruck infringements in a row is all that different to a ruck and then 2 offsides. Both are negative and designed to slow or limit the play in some way. There is nothing in the rules that specifies the infringements have to be the same, just that they are repeated infringements.

It was an interpretation of the rules that in my opinion was really harsh with the precedents. Particularly with no warning.

Im the first the rally against relentless referee bashing. 99% of the time its the Tigers poor fitness, weakness in the ruck, terrible decision making and inability to defend a penalty which gets my anger. This one, however, annoyed me

I do somewhat agree. However the difference (according to how refs are coached) is that (most) ruck infringements are deemed flagrant whereas (most) offsides are not.

 

[WhiTe Tiger]

Is there any where in the rules that uses the term mandatory sin bin?

 

[gregjm87]

Is there any where in the rules that uses the term mandatory sin bin?

No

 

[Betterdays22]

I do somewhat agree. However the difference (according to how refs are coached) is that (most) ruck infringements are deemed flagrant whereas (most) offsides are not.

Thats interesting. I think they need to review that.

To me it has been blatantly obvious for years that teams are "flagrantly" giving away 2-3 (multiple) infringements on their line, ruck or offside, Often an offside and a ruck infringement in the same play. I don't remember someone being binned like Luai was (im sure there has been).

I have nothing to back this up (and I can't be bothered looking) but teams with better defence seem to do this routinely to kill the momentum.

Its touched a nerve for me. It really irritates me.

 

[gregjm87]

Thats interesting. I think they need to review that.

To me it has been blatantly obvious for years that teams are "flagrantly" giving away 2-3 (multiple) infringements on their line, ruck or offside, Often an offside and a ruck infringement in the same play. I don't remember someone being binned like Luai was (im sure there has been).

I have nothing to back this up (and I can't be bothered looking) but teams with better defence seem to do this routinely to kill the momentum.

Its touched a nerve for me. It really irritates me.

Mate, I whole heartedly agree. I mentioned after the game the cynical play frustrates me and the bin should be used more. It has only gotten worse since the 6 again era. But Luai was to blame for getting himself binned, not Sutton. Since 2020 the NRL has been telling clubs that deliberate or repeated ruck infringements would be sin binned. He needs to be wiser, particularly as he isn't just any player for us but the highest paid, (one of our) most experienced and supposed leader.

 

[TIGERS]

I thought the exact same thing watching the game, and Richo reckons the Souths rebuild was harder inthink again

Took from 2005 until 2012 for bunnies to make the finals with richo and rusty at the helm. Like even with all the money and recruiting clout it took a lot longer than people remember.

 

[Needaname]

No. You got that correct. It was one of the dud calls I was referring to.

The nrl are apparently saying the ref made the right call there. The only thing I can think of is that Luai didn’t wrap up talagi or grab him to stop his falling impact. There was no contact with the head or legs but I think the force was penalised as being unnecessary.

 

[Flippedy]

They do this to all the bottom teams. Dogs used to cop the same as do the Titans. Warriors seem to get stitched also which is odd.

The Warriors used to get stitched, but not anymore. Dragons cop a bit also, but the fact is it shouldn’t be happening. How bloody hard is it to ref a game fairly and consistently, especially with all the technology at their disposal these days? Though I think the technology is half the problem. The refs are losing the capacity to officiate a game at real speed.

 

[Needaname]

I think the refs have been trained / instructed to monitor / ensure the flow of the game as a priority.
Where it gets tricky for teams on the bottom is that they are probably monitored more closely by the refs in game for indiscretions that slow down the game as opposed to a more fancy side that plays with speed and plenty of momentum.
In a nut shell it seems expected by the refs that better profile teams don’t need to influence the result by pushing the legal boundaries as they can influence the result with their own attacking and defensive skills.
Although we are looking better on the pitch. Just imagine how good we would have looked if vs the Cowboys we didn’t do those three ruck infringements and actually forced the cowboys into an error from our defence using effective positioning and fitness. Imagine if Doueihi didn’t run towards Bateman and instead ran back to be alongside and assist the fullback and winger.
And in the Penrith game the two calls Benji was blowing up at were also completely unnecessary; Luai did not need to hit Talagi that hard, it’s served no benefit to us and the other one running back towards the ball and stopping immediately to run the backrower out of play.
All of our penalised decisions this season have been unnecessary they are a result of over competing.

 

[gregjm87]

The nrl are apparently saying the ref made the right call there. The only thing I can think of is that Luai didn’t wrap up talagi or grab him to stop his falling impact. There was no contact with the head or legs but I think the force was penalised as being unnecessary.

The NRL are claiming that contact on a kicker whilst they are in the air as part of the kicking technique is dangerous and worthy of a penalty. And to be fair to them they have been saying this for a while.
Their own guidelines when they said that unnecessary contact with kickers be penalised at the start of the season was defenders must make a genuine tackle technique and can not make contact with the legs to avoid a penalty.
I'd say Luai's contact was a genuine tackle technique, we see plenty of similar tackles, his arms wrapped even though he didn't grasp Talagi.
If the NRL deem the kicker needs to be grasp him, fine. But that has not been outlined by them to the clubs, unlike the repeated ruck infringements discussion.
The NRL will always support the on field decisions if they can.

 

[supercoach]

While you have a human with a whistle controlling a football match you will get bad calls. I think what we all want is some sort of consistency with the way the rules are applied across all teams and I don’t think that happens now. I think there is a subconscious bias against the weaker teams and I think that was spoken about in the media last year.

I also think that the weaker sides are more likely to infringe as they are more likely to be under the pump and need to slow the momentum of the game down. We need to be able to improve our roster so we can recover from the odd howler and not let it define the outcome of the game. The Chooks when they were at their best were one of the most penalised teams, they pushed all the boundaries but had the talent to over come a lopsided penalty count.

Iam glad Benji made it public his dislike of a few calls because that might just get a few referees thinking before they automatically blow the whistle. Anyway there is only one way to beat bad calls and that is to use them as motivation to bounce back

 

[Ron Brodrick's Spirit]

The joke is supposed fans of the sport that can't see what is being adjudicated.

We were done for 3 ruck infringements, the ones today we're 1 ruck infringement and 2 inside 10m. They aren't the same.

Similarly a ball plant is when a player puts the ball on the ground before they get to their feet. Edwards had gotten to his feet.

No doubt we got a couple dud calls yesterday when the game was in the balance. We also got piggy backed upfield by some soft calls all first half.

I don't get the ref bashing culture in our sport (or any sport). It only leads to worse refereeing standards. But if you are going to criticise anyway, first understand what you are commenting on.

You mean like the fans that didn't see Ipap plant the ball when the ref gave the Panthers the game changing penalty?
Are those the supposed joke fans?

 

[mtd#2]

The NRL will always support the on field decisions if they can.

And this is where they lose us and we end up ref bashing, because instead of acknowledgding it for what it is, they are a protected species who pick and choose when they are going to apply certain rules.

 

[Ron Brodrick's Spirit]

The joke is supposed fans of the sport that can't see what is being adjudicated.

We were done for 3 ruck infringements, the ones today we're 1 ruck infringement and 2 inside 10m. They aren't the same.

Similarly a ball plant is when a player puts the ball on the ground before they get to their feet. Edwards had gotten to his feet.

No doubt we got a couple dud calls yesterday when the game was in the balance. We also got piggy backed upfield by some soft calls all first half.

I don't get the ref bashing culture in our sport (or any sport). It only leads to worse refereeing standards. But if you are going to criticise anyway, first understand what you are commenting on.

I think it may be time to check with your therapist, you may have beaten dog syndrome.
You've grown so accustomed to us being sodomised that you've come to accept and even support it.
By the way, the NRL aren't going to read your comments and give you the job of referee's director, so maybe stop sucking up so violently to them.