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Bingo, and you can bet your bottom dollar the one time they'll nail a club to the wall over it, it will be a team like us or Newcastle.
Manly Salary cap issue
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Bingo, and you can bet your bottom dollar the one time they'll nail a club to the wall over it, it will be a team like us or Newcastle.
Pawsandclaws
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We've had a couple of busts due to so called whistle blowers, where the NRL has no option but to act or be severely embarrassed. If ever an area of the game needed reform it is TPAs but for obvious inner eastern city reasons, this will never happen.
happy_tiger
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This has been a five year investigation BP , there is a chance they are under the cap now
I think this will have to do back when they were keeping Watmong and all of those freaks under one cap /sombrero
happy_tiger
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When you start sacking coaches , keeping one player (DCE) and sacking club legends and then forcing CEO's to resign you need to have your books clean …....
supercoach
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Do you think Manly or any other club are really concerned with the punishment. It has no bearing on what happens in 2018, they just pay a hefty fine and move on. There is no deterrent except some financial inconvenience.
BalmainBoy
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In the last 24 years there has not been a repeat winner of the NRL premiership.
It's even been 10 years since a club played in back to back Grand Finals.
There's always going to be a issues.. but the salary cap works and good roster management is still the best way to win a competition.
Melbourne won last year because of good roster management - a mix of highly paid veteran greats with underpaid and over performing rookies and old cheapsies ..great coaching and development and culture.
Tigers have been under performing in recent years because they've been paying 1/5 of their salary cap to play for other clubs (Farah, Moses, Sironen etc plus Ballin).
Roster management matters.. don't pay 500k to re-sign Koribete - let him go and pay 100k for Addo-Carr who does exactly the same thing.
My point is.. the system kinda works.. well managed clubs rise to the surface and poor ones stay poor. Salary cap rorting is over-stated in my opinion.. but hey gives everyone something to be outraged about in the off-season
It's even been 10 years since a club played in back to back Grand Finals.
There's always going to be a issues.. but the salary cap works and good roster management is still the best way to win a competition.
Melbourne won last year because of good roster management - a mix of highly paid veteran greats with underpaid and over performing rookies and old cheapsies ..great coaching and development and culture.
Tigers have been under performing in recent years because they've been paying 1/5 of their salary cap to play for other clubs (Farah, Moses, Sironen etc plus Ballin).
Roster management matters.. don't pay 500k to re-sign Koribete - let him go and pay 100k for Addo-Carr who does exactly the same thing.
My point is.. the system kinda works.. well managed clubs rise to the surface and poor ones stay poor. Salary cap rorting is over-stated in my opinion.. but hey gives everyone something to be outraged about in the off-season
happy_tiger
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Well it will SC
The salary cap penalties will be added to their 2018 cap
So in reality they only have a $ 9 million cap , not $9.4 million
But can the NRL make a positive out of this IF they have the balls
So they come like they did with the Parra with a big presso
And then tell the fans and all 16 clubs if they have another salary cap fiasco linked to TPA's they will completely scrap TPA's
So then if the clubs do the wrong thing they then punish themselves …...
Make the clubs accountable for their futures :bulb:
old_man_tiger
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Obviously the game is too big a business now to surfer any real damage from these types of things, but how disappointing that we can't be even bigger and better because of our toothless leadership.
Manly have had a question mark over them for just about every dodgy thing you can do, "sports science", quickly cleared, "match fixing" nothing to see here, salary cap rumours yearly, shocking governance.
Every time we hear about these clubs I'm reminded of this
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/rugby-leagues-dirty-secret-confessions-of-an-nrl-bagman-20160508-gop7ys.html
I can't get over how a story this big just disappears. I guess newscorp need to protect their investment.
Manly have had a question mark over them for just about every dodgy thing you can do, "sports science", quickly cleared, "match fixing" nothing to see here, salary cap rumours yearly, shocking governance.
Every time we hear about these clubs I'm reminded of this
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/rugby-leagues-dirty-secret-confessions-of-an-nrl-bagman-20160508-gop7ys.html
I can't get over how a story this big just disappears. I guess newscorp need to protect their investment.
Harvey
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Can I get a job with the NRL in the cap auditing team? They do nothing. Every club caught has been due to a disgruntled insider.
The cap compliance team couldn't find their ass with both hands. Every club caught just shows what a scam the supposed cap is, and how little integrity the NRL has. As someone pointed out there has been no discussion about Maloney waiting on Penrith to organise his illegal 3rd party deal.
The funniest thing is the last couple of sides caught cannot compete even when cheating. Talk about incompetence
The cap compliance team couldn't find their ass with both hands. Every club caught just shows what a scam the supposed cap is, and how little integrity the NRL has. As someone pointed out there has been no discussion about Maloney waiting on Penrith to organise his illegal 3rd party deal.
The funniest thing is the last couple of sides caught cannot compete even when cheating. Talk about incompetence
momo_amp_medo
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I think Greenberg carries too much baggage on this front.
His close links to the high end of town is also in question.
For mine he was always a bad choice for NRL CEO position.
Spud_Murphy
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Well I think losing all your points for an entire season and having 2 Premierships taken off you is a pretty good example of a club being nailed to the wall.
BalmainBoy
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How exactly would you find out a player has been given cash by a “sponsor” under the table… just explain your investigative methodology.. I’m guessing you wouldn’t have a clue where to look...
GoldXR50Leroy
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De-register the Scum and bring back the Bears!, after all Norths held the license at the end of the Super Greed war only to be stabbed in the back by Manly, Norths met the criteria at the time while Manly were broke hence the sudden and ultimately unsuccessful joint venture.
sheer64
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Sorry gallagher, not something I would wish upon my worst enemy. How about the Port Moresby Sea Eagles?
Fade_To_Black
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They should of been booted out of the NRL. And the 4 parasites that signed dual contracts (Smith, Slater, Inglis and another unnamed player) should of never been allowed to play in the NRL ever again. They got off lightly. Due to the fact that the NRL was/is desperate to have a successful team in AFL heartland.
gallagher
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Do you have anything in the northern hemisphere?
Pawsandclaws
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Ex Manly now Rooster's CEO named as one of the two individuals in matter.
sheer64
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Lapland Sea Eagles?
Pawsandclaws
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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/teams/sea-eagles/manly-sea-eagles-salary-cap-breach-roosters-boss-joe-kelly-dragged-into-drama/news-story/c9ea08cf70c05ea779651a8fb66ea7ef
THE Sydney Roosters have been sensationally dragged into Manly’s salary cap drama after the NRL issued a breach notice to their chief executive Joe Kelly.
The Daily Telegraph understands Roosters boss Kelly received the breach for his alleged role as Sea Eagles CEO between October, 2014, and September, 2016 — a position he stepped down from.
Kelly is one of two club officials facing deregistration by the NRL.
The Daily Telegraph knows the identity of the other official but cannot name him on legal advice.
Kelly, whose mobile phone was switched off on Tuesday, was appointed Roosters CEO in April this year. He is understood to be shattered at the prospect of being kicked out of rugby league.
The Daily Telegraph understands Manly chief operating officer Neil Bare was heavily involved in balancing the club’s salary cap.
The Kelly drama comes as Sea Eagles chief executive Lyall Gorman admitted salary cap allegations against his club were “serious”.
Manly officials and the club’s legal team were poring over myriad allegations and findings on Tuesday after the NRL sent the embattled Sea Eagles a breach over alleged third-party payments dating back five years.
In another day of drama at Brookvale, The Daily Telegraph can reveal:
● THE club’s breaches could be more than the $400,000 first floated;
● PLAYER managers have told of two former Manly stars they insist were owed a total of $450,000 in non-paid third-party payments. Neither agreements were put in writing;
● INDUSTRY experts claim the negative investigation could cost Manly up to $10 million in lost advertising and revenue;
● MAJOR sponsor Lottoland has vowed to stand by Manly through the investigation;
● A CONCERNED Gorman, who started as Manly CEO less than a month ago, called a staff meeting on Tuesday morning to discuss the NRL investigation, telling club employees “that the one thing we can do is control our future, our values and our culture”.
Sports sponsorship and marketing experts believe the potentially damaging cap issues could set Manly back five years.
“Competition for sponsorship dollars has never been tougher,’’ one said. “Signage at grounds is harder than it’s ever been before. Your brand and integrity is everything. It could be a lights-out moment for Manly.
“This could set a club back five years. It’s hard to keep your head above water if you’re a strong club and Manly isn’t financially sound.
“This could cause Manly irreversible damage and cost them up to $10 million in lost sponsorship and revenue.
“These are really challenging times in rugby league. A lot of areas are down financially but the salary cap keeps going up.”
Gorman said his club wouldn’t be rushed into responding to the NRL findings.
Manly’s punishment could include $400,000 being taken off their salary cap next season and a fine of up to $1 million.
“There have been some serious allegations in these preliminary findings,” Gorman said. “These issues need to be addressed.
“It is incumbent on us to take the time to work through the documentation we have been given to form an appropriate response.
“This investigation, as I understand it, took six months and we were only provided with the detailed document (on Monday).
“There is a significant amount to work through. It’s a process that can’t be rushed, a process that needs to be right to protect the best interests of all.
“What we won’t do is run our response through the media. We will respect the protocol of the game.
“Once we have formed a detailed response, we will submit it through the appropriate channels.
“We are trying to do that as quickly as we can but also take the time to ensure our response is an appropriate one in context to what has been provided to us.
“My focus is to put every ounce of energy into making sure this is a great club for many, many years to come.
“These issues need to be confidently led in how we manage them from a transparency and integrity point of view.”
Manly employed three other CEOs over the past five years while the alleged salary cap breaches were unfolding.
While Kelly did not return calls, former Manly CEOs David Perry and Tim Cleary preferred not to comment.
There is no suggestion of any wrongdoing by Perry or Cleary.
sheer64
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The apple never falls too far from the tree!