Manly Salary cap issue

[gallagher]

not when you live here!!!!!

Sorry gallagher, not something I would wish upon my worst enemy. How about the Port Moresby Sea Eagles?

Do you have anything in the northern hemisphere?

Lapland Sea Eagles?

That will do…..
:smiley:

 

[Harvey]

Can I get a job with the NRL in the cap auditing team? They do nothing. Every club caught has been due to a disgruntled insider.
The cap compliance team couldn't find their ass with both hands. Every club caught just shows what a scam the supposed cap is, and how little integrity the NRL has. As someone pointed out there has been no discussion about Maloney waiting on Penrith to organise his illegal 3rd party deal.
The funniest thing is the last couple of sides caught cannot compete even when cheating. Talk about incompetence

How exactly would you find out a player has been given cash by a “sponsor” under the table… just explain your investigative methodology.. I’m guessing you wouldn’t have a clue where to look...

The NRL aren't interested, otherwise they could have put something in the new collective bargaining agreement. A starting point would be look at the players lifestyle and estimated expenditure based on what they are paid.

Another fairly obvious point is why would the player move there for 300k when he was offered 500k elsewhere.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Who said the off season was boring? OK and now for the Roosters!

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Ex Manly now Rooster's CEO named as one of the two individuals in matter.

Looks like the fun is just beginning.

 

[NT_Tiger]

"● INDUSTRY experts claim the negative investigation could cost Manly up to $10 million in lost advertising and revenue;"

OK WT management, time to get busy contacting all those disgruntled seagull sponsors. Wouldn't they really rather sponsor a huge brand like Wests Tigers?

 

[supercoach]

Do you think Manly or any other club are really concerned with the punishment. It has no bearing on what happens in 2018, they just pay a hefty fine and move on. There is no deterrent except some financial inconvenience.

Well it will SC

The salary cap penalties will be added to their 2018 cap

So in reality they only have a $ 9 million cap , not $9.4 million

But can the NRL make a positive out of this IF they have the balls

So they come like they did with the Parra with a big presso

And then tell the fans and all 16 clubs if they have another salary cap fiasco linked to TPA's they will completely scrap TPA's

So then if the clubs do the wrong thing they then punish themselves …...

Make the clubs accountable for their futures :bulb:

Happy yes their cap will be reduced by 400g, but that only represents lest than 5% of the cap. So it is hardly going to write their season off. I just think if they want to stop the rotting they have to come down like a ton of bricks to get the message out to all the clubs.

Of course the best thing they could do is think of a whole new system of valuing players, because at present there are a 100 ways of cheating the system

 

[BalmainBoy]

Can I get a job with the NRL in the cap auditing team? They do nothing. Every club caught has been due to a disgruntled insider.
The cap compliance team couldn't find their ass with both hands. Every club caught just shows what a scam the supposed cap is, and how little integrity the NRL has. As someone pointed out there has been no discussion about Maloney waiting on Penrith to organise his illegal 3rd party deal.
The funniest thing is the last couple of sides caught cannot compete even when cheating. Talk about incompetence

How exactly would you find out a player has been given cash by a “sponsor” under the table… just explain your investigative methodology.. I’m guessing you wouldn’t have a clue where to look...

The NRL aren't interested, otherwise they could have put something in the new collective bargaining agreement. A starting point would be look at the players lifestyle and estimated expenditure based on what they are paid.

Another fairly obvious point is why would the player move there for 300k when he was offered 500k elsewhere.

And how do they make an assessment on a players lifestyle…. you want them to follow them.. do surveillance.. and who moved where for less ...? And is that necessarily a sign...? I would say some players would value winning over money ... maybe not 300 over 500 but 700 over 800...

Put something in the CBA.. .? So the players union would happily sign off on something that limited players earnings .? Have you been under a rock these last 12 months .?

 

[BalmainBoy]

Also how exactly do you assess that a player is living off 150k and not 100k … the difference in lifestyle would be minimal... it’s easy to poke at the NRL... but I think it would be impossible to do much without some sort of investigative lead from a tip off ... sounds like they are pretty good once they get that tip... and the Tigers aren’t immune to TPA issues.. you think Tedesco reneged on Canberra to play for less with the Tigers because of a meeting with Robbie Farah..?

 

[JD Tiger]

Can I get a job with the NRL in the cap auditing team? They do nothing. Every club caught has been due to a disgruntled insider.
The cap compliance team couldn't find their ass with both hands. Every club caught just shows what a scam the supposed cap is, and how little integrity the NRL has. As someone pointed out there has been no discussion about Maloney waiting on Penrith to organise his illegal 3rd party deal.
The funniest thing is the last couple of sides caught cannot compete even when cheating. Talk about incompetence

How exactly would you find out a player has been given cash by a “sponsor” under the table… just explain your investigative methodology.. I’m guessing you wouldn’t have a clue where to look...

The NRL aren't interested, otherwise they could have put something in the new collective bargaining agreement. A starting point would be look at the players lifestyle and estimated expenditure based on what they are paid.

Another fairly obvious point is why would the player move there for 300k when he was offered 500k elsewhere.

Well mate, the Broncos should be firmly in target sights.
Tariq Sims, offered over $500k a year from Newcastle, turned it down and went to Broncos on $87k a year. It raised eyebrows, we muttered under our breathes, but that was it. And yeah I agree, fairly obvious what happened there.

 

[Russell]

$400k off next years cap - Could be a 1 million fine - could cost Manly 10 million in advertising???????

All little band aid stuff - the point being, this is not just a scratch.

NRL need to deduct points from next year - how many points? depends on how much rorting.

If it is good enough to deduct from the Dogs, take premierships off the Storm, make them play a season for no points etc. it is good enough to get tough with this great club (except great clubs don't rort).

Should have taken them off Parramatta as well.

Let's get serious - it is hard to detect, but if found out - they should come down like a tonne of bricks.

 

[TCL]

Also how exactly do you assess that a player is living off 150k and not 100k … the difference in lifestyle would be minimal... it’s easy to poke at the NRL... but I think it would be impossible to do much without some sort of investigative lead from a tip off ... sounds like they are pretty good once they get that tip... and the Tigers aren’t immune to TPA issues.. you think Tedesco reneged on Canberra to play for less with the Tigers because of a meeting with Robbie Farah..?

Are you suggesting that Teddy had form when he backflipped on the Raiders and that him signing with the Roosters should have come as no surprise to us?

 

[JD Tiger]

Can I get a job with the NRL in the cap auditing team? They do nothing. Every club caught has been due to a disgruntled insider.
The cap compliance team couldn't find their ass with both hands. Every club caught just shows what a scam the supposed cap is, and how little integrity the NRL has. As someone pointed out there has been no discussion about Maloney waiting on Penrith to organise his illegal 3rd party deal.
The funniest thing is the last couple of sides caught cannot compete even when cheating. Talk about incompetence

How exactly would you find out a player has been given cash by a “sponsor” under the table… just explain your investigative methodology.. I’m guessing you wouldn’t have a clue where to look...

The NRL aren't interested, otherwise they could have put something in the new collective bargaining agreement. A starting point would be look at the players lifestyle and estimated expenditure based on what they are paid.

Another fairly obvious point is why would the player move there for 300k when he was offered 500k elsewhere.

And how do they make an assessment on a players lifestyle…. you want them to follow them.. do surveillance.. and who moved where for less ...? And is that necessarily a sign...? I would say some players would value winning over money ... maybe not 300 over 500 but 700 over 800...

Put something in the CBA.. .? So the players union would happily sign off on something that limited players earnings .? Have you been under a rock these last 12 months .?

Transparency is what they need. And why make it so clubs can't organise the payments? They do anyway. Who really cares who organises it, why not change that rule? Change it so clubs can organise them (which they will continue to do) and then declare all payments must be declared to the NRL for cap reasons and tax reasons.

The closest idea I can think of to fair, is requiring a minimum percentage of each player's total pay to be included in the cap. So Teddy earns $600k in the cap, and another $600k from TPAs. The rules could say at least 75% has to be under the cap, so if he's getting paid $1.2m, 75% of that is $900k which needs to be "included under the cap".

Any finding of undisclosed payments (which sure the clubs would try to continue) could be met Very harshly. Deregistering of players and massive hits from the club's future salary cap. If that punishment happens just a couple of times the players would soon do the right thing.

Not perfect, but might be better than what we have now.

 

[Tacky]

$400k off next years cap - Could be a 1 million fine - could cost Manly 10 million in advertising???????

All little band aid stuff - the point being, this is not just a scratch.

NRL need to deduct points from next year - how many points? depends on how much rorting.

If it is good enough to deduct from the Dogs, take premierships off the Storm, make them play a season for no points etc. it is good enough to get tough with this great club (except great clubs don't rort).

Should have taken them off Parramatta as well.

Let's get serious - it is hard to detect, but if found out - they should come down like a tonne of bricks.

They did take points off Parramatta. That's how they missed the finals last year.

 

[Russell]

$400k off next years cap - Could be a 1 million fine - could cost Manly 10 million in advertising???????

All little band aid stuff - the point being, this is not just a scratch.

NRL need to deduct points from next year - how many points? depends on how much rorting.

If it is good enough to deduct from the Dogs, take premierships off the Storm, make them play a season for no points etc. it is good enough to get tough with this great club (except great clubs don't rort).

Should have taken them off Parramatta as well.

Let's get serious - it is hard to detect, but if found out - they should come down like a tonne of bricks.

They did take points off Parramatta. That's how they missed the finals last year.

Didn't take enough - they did make the finals and in fourth position (they could have won it even though they were cheating). They should have been left out of the eight.

 

[jadtiger]

$400k off next years cap - Could be a 1 million fine - could cost Manly 10 million in advertising???????

All little band aid stuff - the point being, this is not just a scratch.

NRL need to deduct points from next year - how many points? depends on how much rorting.

If it is good enough to deduct from the Dogs, take premierships off the Storm, make them play a season for no points etc. it is good enough to get tough with this great club (except great clubs don't rort).

Should have taken them off Parramatta as well.

Let's get serious - it is hard to detect, but if found out - they should come down like a tonne of bricks.

They did take points off Parramatta. That's how they missed the finals last year.

Didn't take enough - they did make the finals and in fourth position (they could have won it even though they were cheating). They should have been left out of the eight.

Points were taken in 2016 and they didnt make the semis.I do agree that parra were let off very leniently and should have had points taken off them for the same amount of years as they deliberately cheated.No more soft approach, make all cheats wish they had never done it.I reckon after 2 clubs get shredded the practice would cease

 

[barra]

Manly Silvertails not so silver since powerbrokers Arko and Co are retired…

Now that the RLPA is calling to overhaul/abolish TPA's we may get somewhere. The fans want some sort of transparency and that would only be good for the game.

 

[supercoach]

I think they have to have a NRL type royal commission and come down with real hard punishments for individuals and clubs who are found guilty.

What has to remembered a team like Manly is not only getting a unfair advantage in signing players that they did not have cap space for, but it also stops a club like ours from signing these players so the innocent clubs are also getting disadvantaged. Now the NRL have come out said that they are kosher for 2018 so no points will be deducted, but most of there current squad was signed when they were not compliant so basically other teams did not get a fair shot at signing them…so yes it still has ramifications for the 2018 season. As usual the NRL bark is worse than the bite

Not always but stronger rosters lead to great success and with great success makes attracting fans and commercial partners that much easier.

 

[Mac]

While I think it's probably unfair to quantify individual players' TPA's officially, it would be a good idea if every TPA has to be registered with the NRL and the total amount of each clubs' TPA's made public.

That would show what everyone knows - that some clubs have a huge advantage in the players' market and the salary cap is a blunt instrument to level the talent pool.

I'd love Manly to have competition points deducted, if only to increase my chances of collecting on the numerous bets I have (and will continue to have) at $5 for the Tigers to make the 8!

 

[jirskyr]

It's even been 10 years since a club played in back to back Grand Finals.

I agree with your post generally, but Melbourne just played BTB GFs 2016-2017.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/teams/sea-eagles/manly-sea-eagles-ceo-faces-nrl-expulsion-over-salary-cap-infringements/news-story/896557dfc6c82ba17c33683c5723a93c
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Manly Sea Eagles CoO faces NRL expulsion over salary cap infringements
DEAN RITCHIE, The Daily Telegraph
7 minutes ago

MANLY chief operating officer Neil Bare faces the prospect of being kicked out of rugby league over his alleged role in Manly’s salary cap infringements.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal Bare is the second club official facing deregistration after being issued with a show-cause notice by the NRL.

It comes just 24 hours after Sydney Roosters chief executive Joe Kelly, the former Sea Eagles boss, was revealed as the other NRL club official to face deregistration.

Kelly and Bare worked together at Brookvale when the alleged third-party breaches occurred.

The Sydney Roosters will staunchly defend Kelly, who returns from a trip to Bali on Friday.
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Manly's salary cap statement
Well-placed sources claim Kelly is a man of integrity who has enormous support in the game.

Bare was overlooked for the Manly CEO job last month when co-owner Scott Penn appointed Lyall Gorman as club boss.

The respected Gorman has walked into a storm at Brookvale but vowed to lead Manly out of the dramas.

“My focus is to put every ounce of energy into making sure this is a great club for many, many years to come. These issues need to be confidently led in how we manage them from a transparency and integrity point of view,” Gorman said.

Manly’s front office, according to former staff members, offered up a “toxic” work environment before Gorman arrived.

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Today at 7:14 PM

 

[BalmainBoy]

It's even been 10 years since a club played in back to back Grand Finals.

I agree with your post generally, but Melbourne just played BTB GFs 2016-2017.

Apologies .. yes they did …