Mark O’Neill resigns (fired)

[happy_tiger]

Geo, you cannot argue with zealots. They just do not listen. Ignore them.

:crazy :crazy

Actually your inability to see JT's shortcomings would make you the zealot.

Please list for us JT's achievements since coming to the Tigers so we may be swayed, lead us out of our zealous ways.

I am happy to accept JT as the next messiah if you can give me a solid argument.

JT (and Potter ) were and are behind the 8 ball for so many reasons

They are still having to negotiate the atrocious dealings of previous management and still do

The fact that Curtis Sironen was able to take up an option that Grant Mayer created for almost $500 k in 2018 is proof of this

Something's just can't be changed over night and its going to take time or some smart decisions by the current management to get us back in a position of power

It drives me insane that people just can't get it

And based on our current outgoing incomings roster wise we might even go backwards again

But people need to understand we currently have many people in charge who are doing their best to get things right and ARE the right people

As I have said previously Jason Taylor probably won't get to see the hard work he has put in pay off , but in the future with hindsight many will thank him and the current management /board for the hard calls they made that NEEDED to be made

I hear you on the previous management issues but JT would have known that when he took the job. If it was a surprise to him then he took on the job without doing his due diligence.

JT when he first come on board said he was going to fix the defence and he hasn't, he said he was going to give us sustainable football and he hasn't.

That is what I'm judging him on. He tried to tell us that it wasn't about winning games which it is and I am yet to hear anything from anybody on his achievements?

I have said on many occasions that if JT turns things around I will be support him, I don't think the club or board should be discussing contract extensions with him until part the way into next season.

Teams lose games for various reasons Brisbane and Cowboys purposely go into heavy training a few weeks after SOO knowing they will probably drop a few games to try and see the big picture

The big picture for every club is to try and win premierships and sometimes you need to take some backward steps to move forward

The defence is improving slowly in certain areas , but we still get easily dominated by the top sides and bigger more mobile sides

Fans who think we can match it just yet with teams like Canberra and the Roosters just don't get it If they get an even share of possession and I reasonable completion they will roll us

Taylor still hasn't got a pass mark just yet but is heading in the right direction , but why fans are so dead against what he is trying to achieve just amazes me

Because as I have said repeatedly if he can get the plans he has for the club right ,and the board can get it right they will set this club up for a bright future both on and off field for many years to come

Something that every WT's fan should give their righty for 😛ray:

 

[TCL]

Actually your inability to see JT's shortcomings would make you the zealot.

Please list for us JT's achievements since coming to the Tigers so we may be swayed, lead us out of our zealous ways.

I am happy to accept JT as the next messiah if you can give me a solid argument.

JT (and Potter ) were and are behind the 8 ball for so many reasons

They are still having to negotiate the atrocious dealings of previous management and still do

The fact that Curtis Sironen was able to take up an option that Grant Mayer created for almost $500 k in 2018 is proof of this

Something's just can't be changed over night and its going to take time or some smart decisions by the current management to get us back in a position of power

It drives me insane that people just can't get it

And based on our current outgoing incomings roster wise we might even go backwards again

But people need to understand we currently have many people in charge who are doing their best to get things right and ARE the right people

As I have said previously Jason Taylor probably won't get to see the hard work he has put in pay off , but in the future with hindsight many will thank him and the current management /board for the hard calls they made that NEEDED to be made

I hear you on the previous management issues but JT would have known that when he took the job. If it was a surprise to him then he took on the job without doing his due diligence.

JT when he first come on board said he was going to fix the defence and he hasn't, he said he was going to give us sustainable football and he hasn't.

That is what I'm judging him on. He tried to tell us that it wasn't about winning games which it is and I am yet to hear anything from anybody on his achievements?

I have said on many occasions that if JT turns things around I will be support him, I don't think the club or board should be discussing contract extensions with him until part the way into next season.

Teams lose games for various reasons Brisbane and Cowboys purposely go into heavy training a few weeks after SOO knowing they will probably drop a few games to try and see the big picture

The big picture for every club is to try and win premierships and sometimes you need to take some backward steps to move forward

The defence is improving slowly in certain areas , but we still get easily dominated by the top sides and bigger more mobile sides

Fans who think we can match it just yet with teams like Canberra and the Roosters just don't get it If they get an even share of possession and I reasonable completion they will roll us

Taylor still hasn't got a pass mark just yet but is heading in the right direction , but why fans are so dead against what he is trying to achieve just amazes me

Because as I have said repeatedly if he can get the plans he has for the club right ,and the board can get it right they will set this club up for a bright future both on and off field for many years to come

Something that every WT's fan should give their righty for 😛ray:

Sure I hear you and agree that at times you go backwards and then hope to make improvements.

And I have said we need to give JT at least part of next year to show he is making improvements, if not he has to go.

But I think JT has taken the going backwards to a new level;

1\. Our defence in 2015 was 5th worst in tries conceded. In 2016 we went backwards. We did improve in our missed tackle count but we subsequently let them in to score.
2\. Points scored in 2015 we were 8, in 2016 we were 10, we went backwards.
3\. Our running metres in 2015 we were 13, in 2016 we were 15, we went backwards.
4\. Our error rate in 2015 we were 11, in 2016 we were 15 we went backwards.

The stats were from the NRL website and unless I read them wrong there the numbers.

Yet some how we just finished outside the 8? And because we finished just outside the 8 JT is getting praise even though in all the above numbers we went backwards when compared to other teams.

And your 100% correct I as a paid ticketed member want to see success!

 

[jirskyr]

JT (and Potter ) were and are behind the 8 ball for so many reasons

They are still having to negotiate the atrocious dealings of previous management and still do

The fact that Curtis Sironen was able to take up an option that Grant Mayer created for almost $500 k in 2018 is proof of this

Something's just can't be changed over night and its going to take time or some smart decisions by the current management to get us back in a position of power

It drives me insane that people just can't get it

And based on our current outgoing incomings roster wise we might even go backwards again

But people need to understand we currently have many people in charge who are doing their best to get things right and ARE the right people

As I have said previously Jason Taylor probably won't get to see the hard work he has put in pay off , but in the future with hindsight many will thank him and the current management /board for the hard calls they made that NEEDED to be made

I hear you on the previous management issues but JT would have known that when he took the job. If it was a surprise to him then he took on the job without doing his due diligence.

JT when he first come on board said he was going to fix the defence and he hasn't, he said he was going to give us sustainable football and he hasn't.

That is what I'm judging him on. He tried to tell us that it wasn't about winning games which it is and I am yet to hear anything from anybody on his achievements?

I have said on many occasions that if JT turns things around I will be support him, I don't think the club or board should be discussing contract extensions with him until part the way into next season.

Teams lose games for various reasons Brisbane and Cowboys purposely go into heavy training a few weeks after SOO knowing they will probably drop a few games to try and see the big picture

The big picture for every club is to try and win premierships and sometimes you need to take some backward steps to move forward

The defence is improving slowly in certain areas , but we still get easily dominated by the top sides and bigger more mobile sides

Fans who think we can match it just yet with teams like Canberra and the Roosters just don't get it If they get an even share of possession and I reasonable completion they will roll us

Taylor still hasn't got a pass mark just yet but is heading in the right direction , but why fans are so dead against what he is trying to achieve just amazes me

Because as I have said repeatedly if he can get the plans he has for the club right ,and the board can get it right they will set this club up for a bright future both on and off field for many years to come

Something that every WT's fan should give their righty for 😛ray:

Sure I hear you and agree that at times you go backwards and then hope to make improvements.

And I have said we need to give JT at least part of next year to show he is making improvements, if not he has to go.

But I think JT has taken the going backwards to a new level;

1\. Our defence in 2015 was 5th worst in tries conceded. In 2016 we went backwards. We did improve in our missed tackle count but we subsequently let them in to score.
2\. Points scored in 2015 we were 8, in 2016 we were 10, we went backwards.
3\. Our running metres in 2015 we were 13, in 2016 we were 15, we went backwards.
4\. Our error rate in 2015 we were 11, in 2016 we were 15 we went backwards.

The stats were from the NRL website and unless I read them wrong there the numbers.

Yet some how we just finished outside the 8? And because we finished just outside the 8 JT is getting praise even though in all the above numbers we went backwards when compared to other teams.

And your 100% correct I as a paid ticketed member want to see success!

I'm a stats person through and through, and when I've talked about stats in the past lots of people say "you can make stats say anything". Well that isn't true, but what is true is that interpretation can vary.

Somehow, if your numbers are right, we are a worse defensive team and attacking team in 2016 compared to 2015, yet we still ended up with more wins. If you dig into the numbers a little more deeply, I am certain that the two blowouts vs Canberra skew the numbers quite substantially. Some people will argue that blowouts are unacceptable, but it is possible to perform better across the whole season whilst still incurring some major setbacks.

You have also cherry-picked certain stats, which is fine, but I am sure we can find other ones that are clear improvements vs last year.

Overall it can be agreed that most people consider wins and table position as the ultimate measure of a team. They don't really want interpretations, they want results. The deeper stats are for the passionate fans, gamblers and maths enthusiasts.

Since 2012 Tigers have finished 10, 15, 13, 15 and now 9th. Whatever arguments one might have about the relative value of those finishes, it is factually the best table result in 5 seasons. Therefore there must be some valid argument that the team is moving forwards, albeit too slowly for some.

I cannot see any justification for your statement that we have taken going backwards to a whole new level, when it is arguably the best season since the 2010-11 strong teams.

 

[TCL]

I hear you on the previous management issues but JT would have known that when he took the job. If it was a surprise to him then he took on the job without doing his due diligence.

JT when he first come on board said he was going to fix the defence and he hasn't, he said he was going to give us sustainable football and he hasn't.

That is what I'm judging him on. He tried to tell us that it wasn't about winning games which it is and I am yet to hear anything from anybody on his achievements?

I have said on many occasions that if JT turns things around I will be support him, I don't think the club or board should be discussing contract extensions with him until part the way into next season.

Teams lose games for various reasons Brisbane and Cowboys purposely go into heavy training a few weeks after SOO knowing they will probably drop a few games to try and see the big picture

The big picture for every club is to try and win premierships and sometimes you need to take some backward steps to move forward

The defence is improving slowly in certain areas , but we still get easily dominated by the top sides and bigger more mobile sides

Fans who think we can match it just yet with teams like Canberra and the Roosters just don't get it If they get an even share of possession and I reasonable completion they will roll us

Taylor still hasn't got a pass mark just yet but is heading in the right direction , but why fans are so dead against what he is trying to achieve just amazes me

Because as I have said repeatedly if he can get the plans he has for the club right ,and the board can get it right they will set this club up for a bright future both on and off field for many years to come

Something that every WT's fan should give their righty for 😛ray:

Sure I hear you and agree that at times you go backwards and then hope to make improvements.

And I have said we need to give JT at least part of next year to show he is making improvements, if not he has to go.

But I think JT has taken the going backwards to a new level;

1\. Our defence in 2015 was 5th worst in tries conceded. In 2016 we went backwards. We did improve in our missed tackle count but we subsequently let them in to score.
2\. Points scored in 2015 we were 8, in 2016 we were 10, we went backwards.
3\. Our running metres in 2015 we were 13, in 2016 we were 15, we went backwards.
4\. Our error rate in 2015 we were 11, in 2016 we were 15 we went backwards.

The stats were from the NRL website and unless I read them wrong there the numbers.

Yet some how we just finished outside the 8? And because we finished just outside the 8 JT is getting praise even though in all the above numbers we went backwards when compared to other teams.

And your 100% correct I as a paid ticketed member want to see success!

I'm a stats person through and through, and when I've talked about stats in the past lots of people say "you can make stats say anything". Well that isn't true, but what is true is that interpretation can vary.

Somehow, if your numbers are right, we are a worse defensive team and attacking team in 2016 compared to 2015, yet we still ended up with more wins. If you dig into the numbers a little more deeply, I am certain that the two blowouts vs Canberra skew the numbers quite substantially. Some people will argue that blowouts are unacceptable, but it is possible to perform better across the whole season whilst still incurring some major setbacks.

You have also cherry-picked certain stats, which is fine, but I am sure we can find other ones that are clear improvements vs last year.

Overall it can be agreed that most people consider wins and table position as the ultimate measure of a team. They don't really want interpretations, they want results. The deeper stats are for the passionate fans, gamblers and maths enthusiasts.

Since 2012 Tigers have finished 10, 15, 13, 15 and now 9th. Whatever arguments one might have about the relative value of those finishes, it is factually the best table result in 5 seasons. Therefore there must be some valid argument that the team is moving forwards, albeit too slowly for some.

I cannot see any justification for your statement that we have taken going backwards to a whole new level, when it is arguably the best season since the 2010-11 strong teams.

That's some good points you make and I hear you. I'm all for logical argument.

The stats I chose are ones that relate to JT's calls to improve our defence and give us sustainable football. I agree that there are stats that are improvements no doubt, hence the reason why I quoted my source. I even quoted that our missed tackle count had improved ( the Sharks had a higher missed tackle count). Not cherry picking.
It's not so much that we have had blow outs, it's the timing and the manner in which they happened more specifically the last game.
Yes it is the best season we have had in 5 years and I absolutely enjoyed the run home except the last game.
JT taking going backwards to a new level is my opinion. I have tried to remain neutral and positive on JT and maybe let my annoyance at the name calling get the better of me.

 

[Telltails]

I am not sure that JT is more trouble than he is worth.
He is a controversial figure and there is enough to question whether the players are all on board. I too have difficulty in accepting the performance of the team against Canberra and while the players should be held responsible, questions also need to be asked about the coach after such an important game
Other than on field performance, retention will be the deal breaker for me. It's been well documented that he can't recruit due to the ongoing cap problems, however if we also can't retain the key players that we want, then for me, that spells JT has to go.

 

[stevetiger]

JT (and Potter ) were and are behind the 8 ball for so many reasons

This is simply not true. All clubs have bad deals on their books. JT especially has had a massive amount of support that at most clubs would not have occurred.

 

[stevetiger]

This is about Taylor's supposed behind the scenes plotting to remove O'Neill which it appears you have bought into …Nothing to do with his Coaching...

As Supercoach rightly points out O'Neill got himself sacked...nothing to do with Taylor...

O'Neill is now on the list of biggest muppets of all time. I can't get over what a moron he is.

 

[stevetiger]

The fellow who coached Western Bulldogs in AFL this year didn't do bad for a low key, relatively low paid coach.

Hopefully Taylor can do the same next year. I don't believe you need to get a Bellamy or Bennet to the club to win the comp. I think having a top squad is the no 1 predictor of success.

The problem with Taylor is that he appears to have a massive ego and an inability at times to make the right decisions for the good of the team. I'm thinking Taylor ball and the Robbie debacle. I think these two decisions stuffed our previous two seasons. Taylor has the ability to derail this squad - i.e. get them playing below their ability.

At the same time when the team started playing good footy this year he deserves credit for having the ability to get the most out of the team.

My hope is that he has learned that you have to work with the strengths of the players that you have and develop winning game plans with your squad. If he can get them firing next year I think he can get some more seasons. Next year though as per last year the coach is a risk to our success.

 

[Masterton]

I hear you on the previous management issues but JT would have known that when he took the job. If it was a surprise to him then he took on the job without doing his due diligence.

JT when he first come on board said he was going to fix the defence and he hasn't, he said he was going to give us sustainable football and he hasn't.

That is what I'm judging him on. **He tried to tell us that it wasn't about winning games which it is and I am yet to hear anything from anybody on his achievements?**

I have said on many occasions that if JT turns things around I will be support him, I don't think the club or board should be discussing contract extensions with him until part the way into next season.

I was hoping people were ignoring you, so we don't turn this thread into the same crap as every other.

 

[TCL]

I hear you on the previous management issues but JT would have known that when he took the job. If it was a surprise to him then he took on the job without doing his due diligence.

JT when he first come on board said he was going to fix the defence and he hasn't, he said he was going to give us sustainable football and he hasn't.

That is what I'm judging him on. **He tried to tell us that it wasn't about winning games which it is and I am yet to hear anything from anybody on his achievements?**

I have said on many occasions that if JT turns things around I will be support him, I don't think the club or board should be discussing contract extensions with him until part the way into next season.

I was hoping people were ignoring you, so we don't turn this thread into the same crap as every other.

Sorry, wasn't my intention. I was annoyed at the "zealot" reference and took the bait hook line and sinker.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

The fellow who coached Western Bulldogs in AFL this year didn't do bad for a low key, relatively low paid coach.

Hopefully Taylor can do the same next year. I don't believe you need to get a Bellamy or Bennet to the club to win the comp. I think having a top squad is the no 1 predictor of success.

The problem with Taylor is that he appears to have a massive ego and an inability at times to make the right decisions for the good of the team. I'm thinking Taylor ball and the Robbie debacle. I think these two decisions stuffed our previous two seasons. Taylor has the ability to derail this squad - i.e. get them playing below their ability.

At the same time when the team started playing good footy this year he deserves credit for having the ability to get the most out of the team.

My hope is that he has learned that you have to work with the strengths of the players that you have and develop winning game plans with your squad. If he can get them firing next year I think he can get some more seasons. Next year though as per last year the coach is a risk to our success.

Backing up what you are saying, I consider that game against the Titans was thrown away and with it our best chance of getting into the finals. The fans were thrown under a bus. I could not believe someone would do that to the team. I believe those last few weeks of games cost WT multitudes of fans that will take years, if ever, to recover.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Taylor Evil spawn of Satan and his Machiavellian plots….fair dinkum... :unamused:

Geo, you cannot argue with zealots. They just do not listen. Ignore them.

:crazy :crazy

Actually your inability to see JT's shortcomings would make you the zealot.

Please list for us JT's achievements since coming to the Tigers so we may be swayed, lead us out of our zealous ways.

I am happy to accept JT as the next messiah if you can give me a solid argument.

JT (and Potter ) were and are behind the 8 ball for so many reasons

They are still having to negotiate the atrocious dealings of previous management and still do

**The fact that Curtis Sironen was able to take up an option that Grant Mayer created for almost $500 k in 2018 is proof of this**
Something's just can't be changed over night and its going to take time or some smart decisions by the current management to get us back in a position of power

It drives me insane that people just can't get it

And based on our current outgoing incomings roster wise we might even go backwards again

But people need to understand we currently have many people in charge who are doing their best to get things right and ARE the right people

As I have said previously Jason Taylor probably won't get to see the hard work he has put in pay off , but in the future with hindsight many will thank him and the current management /board for the hard calls they made that NEEDED to be made

The figure I heard for SIronen's contract was much lower, in the 200k range. Do you have a link for this figure?

SIronen took up the option no doubt to strengthen his position when whomever attempted to move him on. Smart move.

 

[gallagher]

The fellow who coached Western Bulldogs in AFL this year didn't do bad for a low key, relatively low paid coach.

Hopefully Taylor can do the same next year. I don't believe you need to get a Bellamy or Bennet to the club to win the comp. I think having a top squad is the no 1 predictor of success.

The problem with Taylor is that he appears to have a massive ego and an inability at times to make the right decisions for the good of the team. I'm thinking Taylor ball and the Robbie debacle. I think these two decisions stuffed our previous two seasons. Taylor has the ability to derail this squad - i.e. get them playing below their ability.

At the same time when the team started playing good footy this year he deserves credit for having the ability to get the most out of the team.

My hope is that he has learned that you have to work with the strengths of the players that you have and develop winning game plans with your squad. If he can get them firing next year I think he can get some more seasons. Next year though as per last year the coach is a risk to our success.

Backing up what you are saying, I consider that game against the Titans was thrown away and with it our best chance of getting into the finals. The fans were thrown under a bus. I could not believe someone would do that to the team. I believe those last few weeks of games cost WT multitudes of fans that will take years, if ever, to recover.

I guess membership numbers will prove you wrong or right.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The fellow who coached Western Bulldogs in AFL this year didn't do bad for a low key, relatively low paid coach.

Hopefully Taylor can do the same next year. I don't believe you need to get a Bellamy or Bennet to the club to win the comp. I think having a top squad is the no 1 predictor of success.

The problem with Taylor is that he appears to have a massive ego and an inability at times to make the right decisions for the good of the team. I'm thinking Taylor ball and the Robbie debacle. I think these two decisions stuffed our previous two seasons. Taylor has the ability to derail this squad - i.e. get them playing below their ability.

At the same time when the team started playing good footy this year he deserves credit for having the ability to get the most out of the team.

My hope is that he has learned that you have to work with the strengths of the players that you have and develop winning game plans with your squad. If he can get them firing next year I think he can get some more seasons. Next year though as per last year the coach is a risk to our success.

Backing up what you are saying, I consider that game against the Titans was thrown away and with it our best chance of getting into the finals. The fans were thrown under a bus. I could not believe someone would do that to the team. I believe those last few weeks of games cost WT multitudes of fans that will take years, if ever, to recover.

Yeah, it's not like the team not turning up to play had anything to do with it either, hey Chicken Little?

 

[happy_tiger]

Geo, you cannot argue with zealots. They just do not listen. Ignore them.

:crazy :crazy

Actually your inability to see JT's shortcomings would make you the zealot.

Please list for us JT's achievements since coming to the Tigers so we may be swayed, lead us out of our zealous ways.

I am happy to accept JT as the next messiah if you can give me a solid argument.

JT (and Potter ) were and are behind the 8 ball for so many reasons

They are still having to negotiate the atrocious dealings of previous management and still do

**The fact that Curtis Sironen was able to take up an option that Grant Mayer created for almost $500 k in 2018 is proof of this**
Something's just can't be changed over night and its going to take time or some smart decisions by the current management to get us back in a position of power

It drives me insane that people just can't get it

And based on our current outgoing incomings roster wise we might even go backwards again

But people need to understand we currently have many people in charge who are doing their best to get things right and ARE the right people

As I have said previously Jason Taylor probably won't get to see the hard work he has put in pay off , but in the future with hindsight many will thank him and the current management /board for the hard calls they made that NEEDED to be made

The figure I heard for SIronen's contract was much lower, in the 200k range. Do you have a link for this figure?

SIronen took up the option no doubt to strengthen his position when whomever attempted to move him on. Smart move.

The figure comes from a reliable source Paws

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

The fellow who coached Western Bulldogs in AFL this year didn't do bad for a low key, relatively low paid coach.

Hopefully Taylor can do the same next year. I don't believe you need to get a Bellamy or Bennet to the club to win the comp. I think having a top squad is the no 1 predictor of success.

The problem with Taylor is that he appears to have a massive ego and an inability at times to make the right decisions for the good of the team. I'm thinking Taylor ball and the Robbie debacle. I think these two decisions stuffed our previous two seasons. Taylor has the ability to derail this squad - i.e. get them playing below their ability.

At the same time when the team started playing good footy this year he deserves credit for having the ability to get the most out of the team.

My hope is that he has learned that you have to work with the strengths of the players that you have and develop winning game plans with your squad. If he can get them firing next year I think he can get some more seasons. Next year though as per last year the coach is a risk to our success.

Backing up what you are saying, I consider that game against the Titans was thrown away and with it our best chance of getting into the finals. The fans were thrown under a bus. I could not believe someone would do that to the team. I believe those last few weeks of games cost WT multitudes of fans that will take years, if ever, to recover.

Yeah, it's not like the team not turning up to play had anything to do with it either, hey Chicken Little?

And don't you think that attitude may have come about largely by swapping positions like deckchairs on the Titanic. The writing was already on the wall during the Titans game when they could not deliver the knock-out punch yet a very important player was left out again. The hype was all up of a big crowd for the Raiders game but this meant nothing to the authorities. Without a strong captain and playmaker it was totally hopeless and many of us thought that before the game began. My backyard is full of bush turkeys so that may be more appropriate.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

If they don't want to show up for a game, perhaps they're in the wrong sport/profession, yeah? Not showing up I would say the team threw the fans under the bus. And you're pulling yourself if you think if your mate being selected to play would have seen us win that game at LO. They were never in it. And you can you presume that we'd have won the Titans game if he were there all you like. We could have got done by 20 instead of 1\. We could have won. We'll never know.

Anyway, this is about Buckets moving on soooooo…

 

[rialto]

If they don't want to show up for a game, perhaps they're in the wrong sport/profession, yeah? Not showing up I would say the team threw the fans under the bus. And you're pulling yourself if you think if your mate being selected to play would have seen us win that game at LO. They were never in it. And you can you presume that we'd have won the Titans game if he were there all you like. We could have got done by 20 instead of 1\. We could have won. We'll never know.

Anyway, this is about Buckets moving on soooooo…

Geeez, what's happened to the Buckets thread??
Anyway, for what it's worth, IMO the fact that a virus was going through the team during the last 3 weeks or so may have had some bearing on why some players just didn't show up. You can be fighting a virus and not come down with it but be knocked about enough to be below par. Other pIayers too were either down with it or in recovery. I remember Woodsy putting in a great performance against the Warriors and was on a drip the following week! ET, wasn't cleared to play (virus) till the last minute against Raiders. Fact is that even when you no longer have the virus it could still take time to be %100.
I'm not saying we would have won, but I reckon we would have put in a far better performance.