Marquee Signing

[InBenjiWeTrust]

We have 3 players who could become Marquee players if given the right opportunity, that is definitely not our problem.

1. Laurie
6. Doueihi
9. Simpkins

Is a lock in for the next 10 years if given the right platform.

EVERYONE else needs to go, its as simple as that. From coach to players.

I’m sorry but none of our players cut it.

Nofa, Leilua, Roberts, Talau, Brooks...gone.

Tamau, Twal, Garner, L Leilua...gone.

Ofa & Blore can stay...The rest, cya later.

How sad is it that our side is a string of has beens and reserve grade quality players.

Sadly, I think I’ve seen enough of those three to say marquee player is a stretch, they’re your basic run of the mill first graders, maybe throw in Twal too.

Those 3 are good players. I am pretty sure Laurie will never be marquee. Simpkins might get to that level. Doueihi may as well but he needs to be playing in the halves.

How many 'marquees' has Sheens signed when we won? BTW, Prince, Payton, Hodgson, Whaitura, Richards were all unwanted by their clubs!
IMHO, we need players that fill the holes we have, not necessary 'marquees'!

I personally don't believe in buying marquees as a sure-fire strategy, unless you are an already successful club. I don't think a single player will fix a club's issues if the fundamental issues aren't fixed - whether it be coach, roster, finances, team harmony, admin etc.

Just look around at some "marquees" and whether they turned the club results around, off top of my head: Blair/Tigers = no, RTS/Warriors = no, Ponga/Knights = not really, Klemmer/Knights = no, Pearce/Knights = no, Fifita/Titans = not really, Sharks/Johnson = no, Tedesco = yes (club already successful , plus Cronk), Cotric/Dogs = no, Foran/Dogs = no, Hunt/Dragons = no, Broncos/Milford = initially yes then mostly no, Ellis/Tigers = yes, Burgess/Souths = yes (with Inglis)

Understand your point..

I think we need to get 1 for a few reasons:
It would boost morale of us poor fans
It would create revenue through marketing / memberships etc..
It would assist us in attracting other players even if not Marquee ones
It was also assist in development of our younger players as he would bring that experience with him.

Not saying it would make us a to 4 side but it has a lot of positives to it and we also have the money available. You can only have so many young talented kids (we have a heap) but need guidance.

Sadly experience of a few clubs clearly shows that this is not necessarily the case.:cold_sweat:
As per jirskyr list:
- NZ bought Thompson, RTS ..
- STGS - bought Hunt, Norman, Bird, McColough, Merrin
- GCT - bought Fifita, Proctor, Peachey
- CB - bought Foran, Woods

In all cases they did not attract more 'marquees' and they did not become more successful.

On the other hand Roosters, Souths ..:rage:

 

[sleeve]

We have 3 players who could become Marquee players if given the right opportunity, that is definitely not our problem.

1. Laurie
6. Doueihi
9. Simpkins

Is a lock in for the next 10 years if given the right platform.

EVERYONE else needs to go, its as simple as that. From coach to players.

I’m sorry but none of our players cut it.

Nofa, Leilua, Roberts, Talau, Brooks...gone.

Tamau, Twal, Garner, L Leilua...gone.

Ofa & Blore can stay...The rest, cya later.

How sad is it that our side is a string of has beens and reserve grade quality players.

Sadly, I think I’ve seen enough of those three to say marquee player is a stretch, they’re your basic run of the mill first graders, maybe throw in Twal too.

Those 3 are good players. I am pretty sure Laurie will never be marquee. Simpkins might get to that level. Doueihi may as well but he needs to be playing in the halves.

How many 'marquees' has Sheens signed when we won? BTW, Prince, Payton, Hodgson, Whaitura, Richards were all unwanted by their clubs!
IMHO, we need players that fill the holes we have, not necessary 'marquees'!

I personally don't believe in buying marquees as a sure-fire strategy, unless you are an already successful club. I don't think a single player will fix a club's issues if the fundamental issues aren't fixed - whether it be coach, roster, finances, team harmony, admin etc.

Just look around at some "marquees" and whether they turned the club results around, off top of my head: Blair/Tigers = no, RTS/Warriors = no, Ponga/Knights = not really, Klemmer/Knights = no, Pearce/Knights = no, Fifita/Titans = not really, Sharks/Johnson = no, Tedesco = yes (club already successful , plus Cronk), Cotric/Dogs = no, Foran/Dogs = no, Hunt/Dragons = no, Broncos/Milford = initially yes then mostly no, Ellis/Tigers = yes, Burgess/Souths = yes (with Inglis)

Understand your point..

I think we need to get 1 for a few reasons:
It would boost morale of us poor fans
It would create revenue through marketing / memberships etc..
It would assist us in attracting other players even if not Marquee ones
It was also assist in development of our younger players as he would bring that experience with him.

Not saying it would make us a to 4 side but it has a lot of positives to it and we also have the money available. You can only have so many young talented kids (we have a heap) but need guidance.

Sadly experience of a few clubs clearly shows that this is not necessarily the case.:cold_sweat:
As per jirskyr list:
- NZ bought Thompson, RTS ..
- STGS - bought Hunt, Norman, Bird, McColough, Merrin
- GCT - bought Fifita, Proctor, Peachey
- CB - bought Foran, Woods

In all cases they did not attract more 'marquees' and they did not become more successful.

On the other hand Roosters, Souths ..:rage:

Yes, and their legs have fallen off, with the supposedly great coach, and the influence of the Mundine guidence club at the mice. As for the chickens they have a great coach and the godfather POLITIS.

 

[jrtiger]

we're not going to sign any marquee players until we play an admirable brand of football that is respected by the league, develop exciting players that others want to play with, and recruit smartly to fill the gaps. when we're doing that, you'll have the league's best take notice.

Penrith did exactly that and while they haven't signed a marquee player at this point, they certainly will be able to take their pick very soon. while we've got some exciting youngsters, we're still at step 1. we need to tighten our edges and try our guts out week in week out.

 

[Russell]

We definitely need a marquee signing but I don't like the idea of going out and buying one. I'd prefer going after junior talent like Walsh or Ponga when he went to the Knights.

It's more of a risk but we tend to stuff up by paying marquee dollars and getting plodders.

I'd love us to get a signing like that Walsh kid.

Throws a mean forward pass - in fact he threw 3 against us and they scored off the three of them - none pulled up.

 

[tony soprano]

We definitely need a marquee signing but I don't like the idea of going out and buying one. I'd prefer going after junior talent like Walsh or Ponga when he went to the Knights.

It's more of a risk but we tend to stuff up by paying marquee dollars and getting plodders.

I'd love us to get a signing like that Walsh kid.

Throws a mean forward pass - in fact he threw 3 against us and they scored off the three of them - none pulled up.

I didn’t notice forward but heard someone else say that today

Thoughts peeps?

 

[hsvjones]

We have 3 players who could become Marquee players if given the right opportunity, that is definitely not our problem.

1. Laurie
6. Doueihi
9. Simpkins

Is a lock in for the next 10 years if given the right platform.

EVERYONE else needs to go, its as simple as that. From coach to players.

I’m sorry but none of our players cut it.

Nofa, Leilua, Roberts, Talau, Brooks...gone.

Tamau, Twal, Garner, L Leilua...gone.

Ofa & Blore can stay...The rest, cya later.

How sad is it that our side is a string of has beens and reserve grade quality players.

Sadly, I think I’ve seen enough of those three to say marquee player is a stretch, they’re your basic run of the mill first graders, maybe throw in Twal too.

Those 3 are good players. I am pretty sure Laurie will never be marquee. Simpkins might get to that level. Doueihi may as well but he needs to be playing in the halves.

How many 'marquees' has Sheens signed when we won? BTW, Prince, Payton, Hodgson, Whaitura, Richards were all unwanted by their clubs!
IMHO, we need players that fill the holes we have, not necessary 'marquees'!

I personally don't believe in buying marquees as a sure-fire strategy, unless you are an already successful club. I don't think a single player will fix a club's issues if the fundamental issues aren't fixed - whether it be coach, roster, finances, team harmony, admin etc.

Just look around at some "marquees" and whether they turned the club results around, off top of my head: Blair/Tigers = no, RTS/Warriors = no, Ponga/Knights = not really, Klemmer/Knights = no, Pearce/Knights = no, Fifita/Titans = not really, Sharks/Johnson = no, Tedesco = yes (club already successful , plus Cronk), Cotric/Dogs = no, Foran/Dogs = no, Hunt/Dragons = no, Broncos/Milford = initially yes then mostly no, Ellis/Tigers = yes, Burgess/Souths = yes (with Inglis)

Understand your point..

I think we need to get 1 for a few reasons:
It would boost morale of us poor fans
It would create revenue through marketing / memberships etc..
It would assist us in attracting other players even if not Marquee ones
It was also assist in development of our younger players as he would bring that experience with him.

Not saying it would make us a to 4 side but it has a lot of positives to it and we also have the money available. You can only have so many young talented kids (we have a heap) but need guidance.

Sadly experience of a few clubs clearly shows that this is not necessarily the case.:cold_sweat:
As per jirskyr list:
- NZ bought Thompson, RTS ..
- STGS - bought Hunt, Norman, Bird, McColough, Merrin
- GCT - bought Fifita, Proctor, Peachey
- CB - bought Foran, Woods

In all cases they did not attract more 'marquees' and they did not become more successful.

On the other hand Roosters, Souths ..:rage:

true but 1 common thing in all these clubs you mentioned is that that have made the finals in the last 10 years at some stage.. Unlike us poor suffering supporters :face_palm:

 

[Russell]

Who would you go after? Which player would be worthy of 11% of our cap? What expectations would you have of such a player? In what way would he influence team performance?

Tommy Turbo for me, I would make him offer he couldn’t refuse. My expectations would be he would give us the drive and go forward we are currently lacking.
Look what he does to Manly, from easy beats to final 4 since he been on the park.

You wouldn't have enough money to get him to leave Manly or his brother. Silly to even bring it up imo.

 

[Russell]

At this point we have more or hope of unearthing another Benji or Tedesco. I thought we may have had something with Simpkin, but he’s been a big disappointment so far. Especially when you see guys like Walker and Walsh who are a year younger come in and take games by the scruff of the neck.

Simpkin has been very disappointing. He looked lost when he came on against the warriors.

Also gave away a 6 again which led to try. Dont think Maguire was very happy.

What's he gonna do?
He let's a few of these clowns get away with continuous nonsense but he's not happy with Simpkin?

The guys a melt.

C'mon Demps let's not bag Madge because a poster on the Forum says Madge wasn't happy.

He doesn't know anymore than we do.

 

[TigerWest]

Who would you go after? Which player would be worthy of 11% of our cap? What expectations would you have of such a player? In what way would he influence team performance?

Tommy Turbo for me, I would make him offer he couldn’t refuse. My expectations would be he would give us the drive and go forward we are currently lacking.
Look what he does to Manly, from easy beats to final 4 since he been on the park.

You wouldn't have enough money to get him to leave Manly or his brother. Silly to even bring it up imo.

It was a hypothetical, chill out.

 

[BAGNF05]

Who would you go after? Which player would be worthy of 11% of our cap? What expectations would you have of such a player? In what way would he influence team performance?

Tommy Turbo for me, I would make him offer he couldn’t refuse. My expectations would be he would give us the drive and go forward we are currently lacking.
Look what he does to Manly, from easy beats to final 4 since he been on the park.

You wouldn't have enough money to get him to leave Manly or his brother. Silly to even bring it up imo.

I get your point but they say everyone has a price. We might need to test that theory to get out of the crater we’re in.

 

[Russell]

I would target Nicho Hynes and I would play him at fullback, shifting Laurie to 5/8 and Doueihi to the centres. Hynes seems to have that desire to get his hands on the ball as much as possible, which is what you want to see in a marquee signing.

I imagine he'll be in very high demand, but he could instantly improve our attack and help organise our defence from the back.

Absolutely agree with Hynes at FB.

Laurie maybe KOE for awhile to improve his game (apart from the High Ball).

 

[Russell]

Who would you go after? Which player would be worthy of 11% of our cap? What expectations would you have of such a player? In what way would he influence team performance?

Tommy Turbo for me, I would make him offer he couldn’t refuse. My expectations would be he would give us the drive and go forward we are currently lacking.
Look what he does to Manly, from easy beats to final 4 since he been on the park.

You wouldn't have enough money to get him to leave Manly or his brother. Silly to even bring it up imo.

It was a hypothetical, chill out.

I'm chilled Brother even though I have been wasting my time reading hypothetical posts.

 

[davey_farrell]

God help us if you think Laurie needs a spell in KOE, what about the rest of the team Ron Massey cup??

 

[the_third]

we're not going to sign any marquee players until we play an admirable brand of football that is respected by the league, develop exciting players that others want to play with, and recruit smartly to fill the gaps. when we're doing that, you'll have the league's best take notice.

Penrith did exactly that and while they haven't signed a marquee player at this point, they certainly will be able to take their pick very soon. while we've got some exciting youngsters, we're still at step 1. we need to tighten our edges and try our guts out week in week out.

Panthers won’t recruit a marquee in the next 5 yrs. they don’t have to as they built them.
Eisenhuth (who obviously improved the quality of their squad) is an example of who they recruit.

They won’t have the cash to splash

 

[Demps]

we're not going to sign any marquee players until we play an admirable brand of football that is respected by the league, develop exciting players that others want to play with, and recruit smartly to fill the gaps. when we're doing that, you'll have the league's best take notice.

Penrith did exactly that and while they haven't signed a marquee player at this point, they certainly will be able to take their pick very soon. while we've got some exciting youngsters, we're still at step 1. we need to tighten our edges and try our guts out week in week out.

Panthers won’t recruit a marquee in the next 5 yrs. they don’t have to as they built them.
Eisenhuth (who obviously improved the quality of their squad) is an example of who they recruit.

They won’t have the cash to splash

Got the best foundation.
It's almost unfair.

 

[Tiger5150]

We definitely need a marquee signing but I don't like the idea of going out and buying one. I'd prefer going after junior talent like Walsh or Ponga when he went to the Knights.

It's more of a risk but we tend to stuff up by paying marquee dollars and getting plodders.

I'd love us to get a signing like that Walsh kid.

Throws a mean forward pass - in fact he threw 3 against us and they scored off the three of them - none pulled up.

I didn’t notice forward but heard someone else say that today

Thoughts peeps?

The first try was at least 1.5m forward

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

I would target Nicho Hynes and I would play him at fullback, shifting Laurie to 5/8 and Doueihi to the centres. Hynes seems to have that desire to get his hands on the ball as much as possible, which is what you want to see in a marquee signing.

I imagine he'll be in very high demand, but he could instantly improve our attack and help organise our defence from the back.

Absolutely agree with Hynes at FB.

Laurie maybe KOE for awhile to improve his game (apart from the High Ball).

Then the rest of the team shall be playing under 7, to gain some confidence?:astonished:

 

[mike]

I would target Nicho Hynes and I would play him at fullback, shifting Laurie to 5/8 and Doueihi to the centres. Hynes seems to have that desire to get his hands on the ball as much as possible, which is what you want to see in a marquee signing.

I imagine he'll be in very high demand, but he could instantly improve our attack and help organise our defence from the back.

Absolutely agree with Hynes at FB.

Laurie maybe KOE for awhile to improve his game (apart from the High Ball).

Huh?

 

[supercoach]

The only time I would seriously throw mega money at a player is when the player was a generational champion who was going to make a massive difference. A player like Munster, Cleary,Turbo come to mind.

Till that player comes along I would be trying to get value signings and searching for the best junior talent available.

 

[mike]

The only time I would seriously throw mega money at a player is when the player was a generational champion who was going to make a massive difference. A player like Munster, Cleary,Turbo come to mind.

Till that player comes along I would be trying to get value signings and searching for the best junior talent available.

100%. Not getting value signings has been one of the major issues in the past 10 years. Players using Wests Tigers as a retirement run and providing little or no value. Fortunately with Hartigan that seems to have been corrected. Let’s not go back there.