Marshall and Farah

[tigerap]

Benji probably needs to call it.

Despite how I felt about Farah when he left and came back I'm not too proud to give credit where it is due, he's been good since returning and he would be handy next year if not on stupid money.

Farah is no good to us unless he comes off the bench for 15 minutes a game. He is kicking early and running at the wrong time - back into his old habits.

Marshall is the same. If he's there for depth I can live with it… But neither should start.

problem is both believe they should start…...

 

[jadtiger]

Benji probably needs to call it.

Despite how I felt about Farah when he left and came back I'm not too proud to give credit where it is due, he's been good since returning and he would be handy next year if not on stupid money.

Farah is no good to us unless he comes off the bench for 15 minutes a game. He is kicking early and running at the wrong time - back into his old habits.

Marshall is the same. If he's there for depth I can live with it… But neither should start.

problem is both believe they should start…...

You are correct i dont think either of them would be comfortable playing reggies or on the bench.As good as they been in the past it is time to retire before they become a liability due to age

 

[The_Patriot]

I watched Maggie games when they had a perpetual mortgage on the wooden spoon and they played a vastly superior game than what I witnessed in some parts of games during the middle of this year put on display by the WT FG team. It may not be a provable fact that Farah helped stem the tide but it was exactly the DH position that was poisonous and it improved remarkably when he stepped in. I really didn't care about the eight I just wanted pride for the team so they don't get deported to Perth.

He's played pretty well, but that's not what I'm getting at. I'm having a go at the coach for signing a player for a 9 week spell. It was a panicky move and it isn't paid off. The signing didn't get us into the 8 and doesn't improve the roster for next year.

The positives far outweigh any of your negatives.

We have had massive support with a couple of sell out games etc.

Overall it's been a masterstroke for the club.

It can only be agenda or favoritism stopping people seeing that.

 

[supercoach]

Unless they can find someone better they have no choice and at present we have some other positions that need urgent attention. It’s all about getting the right balance

 

[happy_tiger]

Unless they can find someone better they have no choice and at present we have some other positions that need urgent attention. It’s all about getting the right balance

Reynolds over Benji when fit

If we can't find a better back up option than Farah keep him as a back up and back up only

We need to give Liddle every chance to excel or we find ourselves a No 1 hooker asap

Then we sign another prop , back rower , centre and winger who are NRL players , not fringe NRL players

 

[gallagher]

I watched Maggie games when they had a perpetual mortgage on the wooden spoon and they played a vastly superior game than what I witnessed in some parts of games during the middle of this year put on display by the WT FG team. It may not be a provable fact that Farah helped stem the tide but it was exactly the DH position that was poisonous and it improved remarkably when he stepped in. I really didn't care about the eight I just wanted pride for the team so they don't get deported to Perth.

He's played pretty well, but that's not what I'm getting at. I'm having a go at the coach for signing a player for a 9 week spell. It was a panicky move and it isn't paid off. The signing didn't get us into the 8 and doesn't improve the roster for next year.

The positives far outweigh any of your negatives.

We have had massive support with a couple of sell out games etc.

Overall it's been a masterstroke for the club.

It can only be agenda or favoritism stopping people seeing that.

One sellout at a small ground. Wow what a masterstroke.
I was talking to Fade to Black about fans accepting the club being just happy to make up the numbers and heres an example.

We miss the 8 yet again but who cares LO got a good crowd.
Amazing.

 

[Glennb]

I hope Farah doesnt go around again next year, but signing Farah this year was a great piece of coaching. Our season would have been over a month ago otherwise.

Surely you remember we had Godinet/Taylor there previously?

Our season WAS over a month ago. Youre a dreamer if you thought otherwise. Signing Farah didnt get us into the 8 and has not helped prep for 2019 either. It was just feel good nonsense. Cleary should have gone after a hooker with one eye on 2019.

At 5:30 yesterday we were still in the hunt for the 8\. If we won that game we were 2points out of the 8 with 2 to play.

If Farah didnt come over, we would not have been in that position. You have a bit of a common agenda in your posts but facts are facts.

Farah getting us into that position is an opinion. Not a fact. Just like me thinking we had no chance of making the 8.
What's my common agenda? Being sick of the club plodding through season after season?

If you cant genuinely see the improvement in this club and this team over the last 18 months, then there is no point discussing this further. On and off the field, the Tigers have made huge improvements and seem to be heading in the right direction. It was never going to happen in one season.

To get back to the topic of Farah (THIS YEAR), after watching Jason Taylor wheel out Jordan Rankin or Kyle Lovett week after week after week with no hope of improvement, it has been very refreshing to have a coach who has acted swiftly when he sees something that needs addressing. "Plodding through the season" would have been blindly continuing on with Godinet & ET at dummy half but IC saw an opportunity to strengthen the team and took it by grabbing Farah for this year. it was not the easy option, remember Go & Pascoe were the ones who gave Robbie written notices back in 2016, but everyone got out of their own way for the good of the team. If you cant see that Farah strengthened the team in that period then there is not much more we can discuss.

Having said that, its a NO from me for Robbie next year.

 

[Russell]

I'm not a Farah lover, not even close to one. During the JT scandal, I was practically against Farah the whole time. However, I'm calling it how I see it, and what I'm seeing is that he's been good in his stint here so far. Compare our attack with him to our attack when we had ET at hooker. Having a bad game in the midst of some pretty good games should not equate to people calling for his retirement. Benji, on the other hand has been too inconsistent for mine and should really consider retiring.

Agree. Easy to be critical when we get beaten. I don't see the same call when we win.Farah is better than Liddle even at 34\. Liddle not in same league. ISP at best. If we get a better hooker than I'm happy for Farah to retire. Benji's best days are past unfortunately. He has beeb solid this year but inconsistent.

To many ifs with Liddle. Not a tough built player. Hooker does the most tackling. Can't see him ever being that type of player.

The criminal part is that opposing forwards will deliberately target him to break him - not fair but they are paid big money to win. The club's screen is a dummy wide screen where everyone looks like Samson **so hard for me to judge his size**. I love watching Farah playing first receiver off DH though he is snail pace - if Jacob can develop that role as well and with his young legs he could be a champ.

I'll say it again - Liddle is the same weight as Farah and slightly taller.

 

[mtd]

Benji probably needs to call it.

Despite how I felt about Farah when he left and came back I'm not too proud to give credit where it is due, he's been good since returning and he would be handy next year if not on stupid money.

Farah is no good to us unless he comes off the bench for 15 minutes a game. He is kicking early and running at the wrong time - back into his old habits.

Marshall is the same. If he's there for depth I can live with it… But neither should start.

problem is both believe they should start…...

maybe if its a final season their thoughts on that might change….
could be better for their bodies and allow them to play better footy for the year.
i wouldnt play them in reggies - not every week... rest them more

 

[The_Patriot]

I watched Maggie games when they had a perpetual mortgage on the wooden spoon and they played a vastly superior game than what I witnessed in some parts of games during the middle of this year put on display by the WT FG team. It may not be a provable fact that Farah helped stem the tide but it was exactly the DH position that was poisonous and it improved remarkably when he stepped in. I really didn't care about the eight I just wanted pride for the team so they don't get deported to Perth.

He's played pretty well, but that's not what I'm getting at. I'm having a go at the coach for signing a player for a 9 week spell. It was a panicky move and it isn't paid off. The signing didn't get us into the 8 and doesn't improve the roster for next year.

The positives far outweigh any of your negatives.

We have had massive support with a couple of sell out games etc.

Overall it's been a masterstroke for the club.

It can only be agenda or favoritism stopping people seeing that.

One sellout at a small ground. Wow what a masterstroke.
I was talking to Fade to Black about fans accepting the club being just happy to make up the numbers and heres an example.

We miss the 8 yet again but who cares LO got a good crowd.
Amazing.

Lol I'm the last person to accept mediocrity.

As for the one small ground sell out. Pointless me trying to argue that. It would be easy to mind you but totally pointless and a further waste of my time.

 

[gallagher]

Our season WAS over a month ago. Youre a dreamer if you thought otherwise. Signing Farah didnt get us into the 8 and has not helped prep for 2019 either. It was just feel good nonsense. Cleary should have gone after a hooker with one eye on 2019.

At 5:30 yesterday we were still in the hunt for the 8\. If we won that game we were 2points out of the 8 with 2 to play.

If Farah didnt come over, we would not have been in that position. You have a bit of a common agenda in your posts but facts are facts.

Farah getting us into that position is an opinion. Not a fact. Just like me thinking we had no chance of making the 8.
What's my common agenda? Being sick of the club plodding through season after season?

If you cant genuinely see the improvement in this club and this team over the last 18 months, then there is no point discussing this further. On and off the field, the Tigers have made huge improvements and seem to be heading in the right direction. It was never going to happen in one season.

To get back to the topic of Farah (THIS YEAR), after watching Jason Taylor wheel out Jordan Rankin or Kyle Lovett week after week after week with no hope of improvement, it has been very refreshing to have a coach who has acted swiftly when he sees something that needs addressing. "Plodding through the season" would have been blindly continuing on with Godinet & ET at dummy half but IC saw an opportunity to strengthen the team and took it by grabbing Farah for this year. it was not the easy option, remember Go & Pascoe were the ones who gave Robbie written notices back in 2016, but everyone got out of their own way for the good of the team. If you cant see that Farah strengthened the team in that period then there is not much more we can discuss.

Having said that, its a NO from me for Robbie next year.

I see no differences between 2016 and 2018.

 

[gallagher]

He's played pretty well, but that's not what I'm getting at. I'm having a go at the coach for signing a player for a 9 week spell. It was a panicky move and it isn't paid off. The signing didn't get us into the 8 and doesn't improve the roster for next year.

The positives far outweigh any of your negatives.

We have had massive support with a couple of sell out games etc.

Overall it's been a masterstroke for the club.

It can only be agenda or favoritism stopping people seeing that.

One sellout at a small ground. Wow what a masterstroke.
I was talking to Fade to Black about fans accepting the club being just happy to make up the numbers and heres an example.

We miss the 8 yet again but who cares LO got a good crowd.
Amazing.

Lol I'm the last person to accept mediocrity.

As for the one small ground sell out. Pointless me trying to argue that. It would be easy to mind you but totally pointless and a further waste of my time.

Lol. You give up as easy as our team

 

[JD Tiger]

Whilst Reynolds is on our books, Benji is a back-up at best, and not a very reliable back-up at that. He was good for half a dozen games this year, more than that was too much. We need a better more consistent back-up, and I'm hoping we recall Drinkwater from SL.

Why is Liddle still only playing 15/20 minutes a game in FG? What's the reason IC is giving him such limited time? Fitness? Strength? Injury? Ability? The answer to that is tied in with why Robbie is being used and was offered another contract.

I can't see us making the finals with Benji and Robbie playing more than half a dozen games each next season. I would them both in PR roles, or water-bottle roles like Alfie Langer.

 

[jirskyr]

I honestly don't think the OP is well thought-out, and I'm always hesitant to post any comments regarding long-term plans in the aftermath of a critical loss.

The reason I say this is because we have filled about 23-24 (?) of our 30 spots for 2019 without Farah and Marshall, and our backup options for 2019 in those two positions are nadda and nobody. We have insufficient depth and insufficient experience in our roster in the spine right now.

A comment was made earlier that Benji doesn't want to play second-fiddle, but he signed with Tigers 2018 knowing precisely that was the role offered. You make it clear they have plenty to offer but also the best talent plays first.

Without Benji and Farah I don't think we get to 11 wins. Any judge of footy will tell you Benji was a good pickup this year, doubly-so with Reynolds being injured. Farah also solved the DH issue we had in our mid-year dip. Benji has played in all 11 wins of his 19 matches and the 3 he missed we lost. Farah has 4 wins from his 7 games. Hardly terrible results.

1 year deals for both.

 

[Glennb]

At 5:30 yesterday we were still in the hunt for the 8\. If we won that game we were 2points out of the 8 with 2 to play.

If Farah didnt come over, we would not have been in that position. You have a bit of a common agenda in your posts but facts are facts.

Farah getting us into that position is an opinion. Not a fact. Just like me thinking we had no chance of making the 8.
What's my common agenda? Being sick of the club plodding through season after season?

If you cant genuinely see the improvement in this club and this team over the last 18 months, then there is no point discussing this further. On and off the field, the Tigers have made huge improvements and seem to be heading in the right direction. It was never going to happen in one season.

To get back to the topic of Farah (THIS YEAR), after watching Jason Taylor wheel out Jordan Rankin or Kyle Lovett week after week after week with no hope of improvement, it has been very refreshing to have a coach who has acted swiftly when he sees something that needs addressing. "Plodding through the season" would have been blindly continuing on with Godinet & ET at dummy half but IC saw an opportunity to strengthen the team and took it by grabbing Farah for this year. it was not the easy option, remember Go & Pascoe were the ones who gave Robbie written notices back in 2016, but everyone got out of their own way for the good of the team. If you cant see that Farah strengthened the team in that period then there is not much more we can discuss.

Having said that, its a NO from me for Robbie next year.

I see no differences between 2016 and 2018.

If you see no differences in this club, this team, the football that is being played, the way the team is coached between 2016 and now, I see no point in continuing a conversation here with you. I look forward to your next 20 or 30 posts vaguely rambling about accepting mediocrity without any ideas on how a club and team actually gets from point A to point B when the differences between 2016 & 2018 are what you need to understand as necessary components to climb out of mediocrity. It doesnt happen in a season.

 

[gallagher]

Farah getting us into that position is an opinion. Not a fact. Just like me thinking we had no chance of making the 8.
What's my common agenda? Being sick of the club plodding through season after season?

If you cant genuinely see the improvement in this club and this team over the last 18 months, then there is no point discussing this further. On and off the field, the Tigers have made huge improvements and seem to be heading in the right direction. It was never going to happen in one season.

To get back to the topic of Farah (THIS YEAR), after watching Jason Taylor wheel out Jordan Rankin or Kyle Lovett week after week after week with no hope of improvement, it has been very refreshing to have a coach who has acted swiftly when he sees something that needs addressing. "Plodding through the season" would have been blindly continuing on with Godinet & ET at dummy half but IC saw an opportunity to strengthen the team and took it by grabbing Farah for this year. it was not the easy option, remember Go & Pascoe were the ones who gave Robbie written notices back in 2016, but everyone got out of their own way for the good of the team. If you cant see that Farah strengthened the team in that period then there is not much more we can discuss.

Having said that, its a NO from me for Robbie next year.

I see no differences between 2016 and 2018.

If you see no differences in this club, this team, the football that is being played, the way the team is coached between 2016 and now, I see no point in continuing a conversation here with you. I look forward to your next 20 or 30 posts vaguely rambling about accepting mediocrity without any ideas on how a club and team actually gets from point A to point B when the differences between 2016 & 2018 are what you need to understand as necessary components to climb out of mediocrity. It doesnt happen in a season.

We've been mediocre for most of our existence. The club isn't improving.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I agree with this , Liddle can start .

Farah will just be a cheap option for us and can play of the bench God forbid if Liddle gets an injury and we play ET at hooker unless we can get Segyaro

If the club ever wants to play finals footy this is not an option , you are not going to carry another hooker on the bench …times up for Farah he has to move on .

Liddle can't play 80 minutes to great effect .

No doubt the Robbie lovers are going to come after me with a big stick , but the biggest problem with Robbie is the gulf now between his good performances and the today type performances

Robbie won't sign for league minimum or even close and nor should he , he has played well at times this season

We need someone who has self control , that will take control of a game and play smart and simple

Robbie and Benji still lack that

We’ve still have much greater problems than Fara or even Marshall,
We need abouthalf dozen effective players( I’m not talking about signings like Reynolds, LoLo, McQueen. Grant,or the players who can play ok for4 or five good games in them). Probably the only players in our backs that otherclubs would buy would be Mbye, or Mastarsand maybe
Brooks.
Farah is need for next year as we don’t have a clue as to how Liddle will go ,
Despite his fan club.
He hasn’t proved that he can take a season in first grade yet.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

He's played pretty well, but that's not what I'm getting at. I'm having a go at the coach for signing a player for a 9 week spell. It was a panicky move and it isn't paid off. The signing didn't get us into the 8 and doesn't improve the roster for next year.

The positives far outweigh any of your negatives.

We have had massive support with a couple of sell out games etc.

Overall it's been a masterstroke for the club.

It can only be agenda or favoritism stopping people seeing that.

One sellout at a small ground. Wow what a masterstroke.
I was talking to Fade to Black about fans accepting the club being just happy to make up the numbers and heres an example.

We miss the 8 yet again but who cares LO got a good crowd.
Amazing.

Lol I'm the last person to accept mediocrity.

As for the one small ground sell out. Pointless me trying to argue that. It would be easy to mind you but totally pointless and a further waste of my time.

Us being able to sell out ANY ground is a good result for us over a long time

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Unless they can find someone better they have no choice and at present we have some other positions that need urgent attention. It’s all about getting the right balance

Reynolds over Benji when fit

If we can't find a better back up option than Farah keep him as a back up and back up only

We need to give Liddle every chance to excel or we find ourselves a No 1 hooker asap

Then we sign another prop , back rower , centre and winger who are NRL players , not fringe NRL players

If they can find someone who’d take him, I’d be getting rid of Reynolds before next season , he’s a chance of being another MCQueen . He used to be just a big risk of having Brain explosions, but now he’s an injury risk as well.
It’s not as if he’s got a long way to go in the game, he’s not much chance ofgetting better as a
Player, and his career is not getting longer.

 

[jirskyr]

If you cant genuinely see the improvement in this club and this team over the last 18 months, then there is no point discussing this further. On and off the field, the Tigers have made huge improvements and seem to be heading in the right direction. It was never going to happen in one season.

To get back to the topic of Farah (THIS YEAR), after watching Jason Taylor wheel out Jordan Rankin or Kyle Lovett week after week after week with no hope of improvement, it has been very refreshing to have a coach who has acted swiftly when he sees something that needs addressing. "Plodding through the season" would have been blindly continuing on with Godinet & ET at dummy half but IC saw an opportunity to strengthen the team and took it by grabbing Farah for this year. it was not the easy option, remember Go & Pascoe were the ones who gave Robbie written notices back in 2016, but everyone got out of their own way for the good of the team. If you cant see that Farah strengthened the team in that period then there is not much more we can discuss.

Having said that, its a NO from me for Robbie next year.

I see no differences between 2016 and 2018.

If you see no differences in this club, this team, the football that is being played, the way the team is coached between 2016 and now, I see no point in continuing a conversation here with you. I look forward to your next 20 or 30 posts vaguely rambling about accepting mediocrity without any ideas on how a club and team actually gets from point A to point B when the differences between 2016 & 2018 are what you need to understand as necessary components to climb out of mediocrity. It doesnt happen in a season.

We've been mediocre for most of our existence. The club isn't improving.

I'm with Glennb on this one.

I think the team has improved since Cleary took over and for once we are a defensive unit rather than a leaky sieve. Unfortunately that emphasis has killed the attack, and we don't seem to be able to figure out how to do both. But we've been an attacking-based side for about 15 years so I look forward to a few years of being miserly and grinding out wins.

If you only go by where we finish on the table, or # wins, then no we haven't improved so much in 7 years. But as Glennb notes, that single-minded thought process is black and white when the reality of footy is grey. We win 1 more game and it's the most wins since 2011\. But yes, Jason Taylor got the team to 11 wins and 9th overall in 2016, so these are small steps forward.