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@anderson silva said:
Yes I would. They got to the grandfinal but they had to do it the hard way. They had to beat an inform Parramatta team in Sydney to get another shot at us.
McIntyre System?
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Yes I would. They got to the grandfinal but they had to do it the hard way. They had to beat an inform Parramatta team in Sydney to get another shot at us.
diedpretty
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@Geo. said:
This is a Gee up isn't Geo - so you want to reward winning in the first week of the semis no matter how much you have underachieved during the rest of the year - and you would be quite happy if the Tigers won every game in the season, lost 1 game in the semis and then had to play Brisbane in Brisbane as punishment - yea right.
@diedpretty said:
When you put it that way from week 2 though it's sudden death anyway…...although all St George Illawarra had to do is win and they would have been laying back 1 game away from a Grand final.....
I believe the real issue is the NRL cow-towing to News limited owned teams.....After the first week the rest of the finals should go to ANZ......
Look at the Broncos 20 odd Friday night games, Virtually a home final in the first week then when it becomes 'Home Region' surprise.....Suncorp.....
The AFL one with it's faults seems better....but then again they run their game......
Oh.... I'd be over the moon if we won every game......and very dissapointed if we went out backwards......
diedpretty
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@Geo. said:
Yea it was just a what if - us winning every game :laughing:
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alien
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The top 2 teams are rewarded. They get home games in week 1 against the 7th and 8th ranked teams and if they lose against them they are guaranteed a second chance. They shouldn't be rewared anymore than that. That's why the final series is so exciting because you have to win every game. If you don't you are out or have to get through the hard way. If Saints lost today and were still guaranteed a home semi next week then they could of just decided to take it easy today. The fans don't want to see that in the finals series. We want to see teams playing every game in the finals like it's life or death. That's why I hate the AFL system.
Perhaps the NRL should follow the ESL with their finals system.
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The new eight team structure was developed by the RFL and, in their words, "is not a direct copy of other eight team formats operating in other sporting competitions" making it unique. The most significant feature of this system is that the highest ranked team from the regular season table winning a match in the first week of the play-offs will be able to select their opponents for their next game in Week Three. This selection opportunity is known as "Club Call" and is only possible for teams finishing in the top three during the regular season to achieve. With the exception of Club Call, though, this format follows exactly the AFL finals system, in use already since 2000 by the Australian Football League.
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ESL finals structure
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Week One
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* Qualifying Play Off 1: 1st vs 4th (winner receives a bye to week three)
* Qualifying Play Off 2: 2nd vs 3rd (winner receives a bye to week three)
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* Elimination Play Off 1: 5th vs 8th (loser goes out)
* Elimination Play Off 2: 6th vs 7th (loser goes out)
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Week Two
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* Preliminary Semi Final 1: QPO 1 Loser vs EPO 1 Winner
* Preliminary Semi Final 2: QPO 2 Loser vs EPO 2 Winner
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Week Three
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* Qualifying Semi Final 1: QPO 1 Winner vs PSF 1 Winner *
* Qualifying Semi Final 2: QPO 2 Winner vs PSF 2 Winner *
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* subject to choice of highest placed winner in week one
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Week Four
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* Grand Final: QSF1 Winner vs QSF2 Winner
Seems like a system that is better than the current one and has the intrigue of the "Club call".
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The new eight team structure was developed by the RFL and, in their words, "is not a direct copy of other eight team formats operating in other sporting competitions" making it unique. The most significant feature of this system is that the highest ranked team from the regular season table winning a match in the first week of the play-offs will be able to select their opponents for their next game in Week Three. This selection opportunity is known as "Club Call" and is only possible for teams finishing in the top three during the regular season to achieve. With the exception of Club Call, though, this format follows exactly the AFL finals system, in use already since 2000 by the Australian Football League.
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ESL finals structure
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Week One
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* Qualifying Play Off 1: 1st vs 4th (winner receives a bye to week three)
* Qualifying Play Off 2: 2nd vs 3rd (winner receives a bye to week three)
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* Elimination Play Off 1: 5th vs 8th (loser goes out)
* Elimination Play Off 2: 6th vs 7th (loser goes out)
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Week Two
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* Preliminary Semi Final 1: QPO 1 Loser vs EPO 1 Winner
* Preliminary Semi Final 2: QPO 2 Loser vs EPO 2 Winner
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Week Three
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* Qualifying Semi Final 1: QPO 1 Winner vs PSF 1 Winner *
* Qualifying Semi Final 2: QPO 2 Winner vs PSF 2 Winner *
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* subject to choice of highest placed winner in week one
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Week Four
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* Grand Final: QSF1 Winner vs QSF2 Winner
Seems like a system that is better than the current one and has the intrigue of the "Club call".
@Craegus said:
That is an interesting one, so if the 1st place win they can choose whoever they want that finished in the 8 for the grand final qualifier? If thats the case, you'd almost be better off throwing the towel in once you cant make the top 4 so you finish 8th, and then get picked to play in prelim because you're the worst team in finals.
TigersFan4Life
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I've come up with a different finals system that I believe is fairer than both the McIntyre System and the one used by the AFL. It's a five-week series and it GUARANTEES that the only way the top two teams can be eliminated BEFORE the grand final is if they lose twice. With the current formats its possible for 1st and 2nd to lose only once (the preliminary finals) and be gone, which is not fair.
Here's the way it would work;
Week one and two are just like the format the AFL uses. That is,
week one
A) 1v4
B) 2v3
C) 5v8
D) 6v7
week two
elimination games, 3v6 and 4v5 if all week one games go according to plan
E) loser A v winner C
F) loser B v winner D
week three
The winners of the 1v4 and 2v3 matchups from week one play each other. The winner automatically goes into the grand final. The winners from week two also play each other in an elimination games.
G) winner A v winner B
H) wiiner E v winner F
week four
I) loser G v winner H
This is like the preliminary final in the old top five format.
week five - GRAND FINAL
J) winner G v winner I
The ONLy draw back to this system is that if teams 1 and 2 BOTH lose in week one they can't play each other in the grand final, as they'll end up playing each other in week three if they make it that far. However, that's better than the current AFL system where all it takes is for one of either team 1 or 2 to lose in week one to make it impossible for them to meet in the grand final.
This system I've proposed is fair because it absolutely rewards the teams that finish in the top four and subjects the bottom four to five weeks of sudden-death games.
So, if all the results went to plan this is how the games would play out:
week one
1v4
2v3
5v8
6v7
week two
3v6
4v5
week three
1v2
3v4
week four
2v3
week five
1v2
Here's the way it would work;
Week one and two are just like the format the AFL uses. That is,
week one
A) 1v4
B) 2v3
C) 5v8
D) 6v7
week two
elimination games, 3v6 and 4v5 if all week one games go according to plan
E) loser A v winner C
F) loser B v winner D
week three
The winners of the 1v4 and 2v3 matchups from week one play each other. The winner automatically goes into the grand final. The winners from week two also play each other in an elimination games.
G) winner A v winner B
H) wiiner E v winner F
week four
I) loser G v winner H
This is like the preliminary final in the old top five format.
week five - GRAND FINAL
J) winner G v winner I
The ONLy draw back to this system is that if teams 1 and 2 BOTH lose in week one they can't play each other in the grand final, as they'll end up playing each other in week three if they make it that far. However, that's better than the current AFL system where all it takes is for one of either team 1 or 2 to lose in week one to make it impossible for them to meet in the grand final.
This system I've proposed is fair because it absolutely rewards the teams that finish in the top four and subjects the bottom four to five weeks of sudden-death games.
So, if all the results went to plan this is how the games would play out:
week one
1v4
2v3
5v8
6v7
week two
3v6
4v5
week three
1v2
3v4
week four
2v3
week five
1v2
TigersFan4Life
New member
Under my system the results on the weekend might have been:
(4) Storm d (1) Dragons
(2) Bulldogs d (3) Titans
(8) Eels d (5) Sea Eagles
(6) Broncos d (7) Knights
The week two matchups would be:
(1) Dragons v (8) Eels
(3) Titans v (6) Broncos
Assuming that the Dragons and Titans won those games week three would be
(2) Bulldogs v (4) Storm
(1) Dragons v (3) Titans
Let's assume again by saying that the Bulldogs and Dragons win. The Bulldogs would go straight into the grand final and the Dragons and Storm would play in week four for the other grand final spot.
(4) Storm d (1) Dragons
(2) Bulldogs d (3) Titans
(8) Eels d (5) Sea Eagles
(6) Broncos d (7) Knights
The week two matchups would be:
(1) Dragons v (8) Eels
(3) Titans v (6) Broncos
Assuming that the Dragons and Titans won those games week three would be
(2) Bulldogs v (4) Storm
(1) Dragons v (3) Titans
Let's assume again by saying that the Bulldogs and Dragons win. The Bulldogs would go straight into the grand final and the Dragons and Storm would play in week four for the other grand final spot.
Juro
Well-known member
@benjibrotown said:
That scenario is really a longshot, since you need all three of teams 1, 2 and 3 to lose. Not saying that it couldn't happen, but it would be very unlikely.
We have some years where teams 1-4 are so much better than teams 5-8, and people complain about the system because the first week's results are a foregone conclusion and it isn't interesting. This year, team 8 beats team 1 and people are complaining because team 1 now has a hard run to make it to the grand final. If they are good enough, they will make it. If they are not good enough, they are not good enough!
anderson_silva
New member
@JRD said:
sorry dude by "this system" i meant the mcintyre system, im all for the 5 & 6 teams getting home finals in the first week if they are playing 7 & 8.
westTAHger
Well-known member
does anyone really think that the NRL would change the finals series system to that similar of another code.
e.g AFL etc.
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no way too many ego's would get dented.
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only two more words needed to sum up the current system, MANLY GONE :wahoo:
e.g AFL etc.
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no way too many ego's would get dented.
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only two more words needed to sum up the current system, MANLY GONE :wahoo:
AndTheKungFoSing
New member
What a joke this finals system is…
Eels finish 8th and get a home semi!!
Broncos finish 6th and get a home semi!!!
Serious questions need to be asked...
Lockyer made mention at the start of the series that the teams in the top 4 should receive a better advantage and he doesn't like the system... wonder how he feels now?
Eels finish 8th and get a home semi!!
Broncos finish 6th and get a home semi!!!
Serious questions need to be asked...
Lockyer made mention at the start of the series that the teams in the top 4 should receive a better advantage and he doesn't like the system... wonder how he feels now?
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Junior008
Guest
How about this format?
Week One
Qualifying Play Off 1: 1st vs 4th (winner receives a bye to week three)
Qualifying Play Off 2: 2nd vs 3rd (winner receives a bye to week three)
Elimination Play Off 1: 5th vs 8th (loser goes out)
Elimination Play Off 2: 6th vs 7th (loser goes out)
Week Two
Preliminary Semi Final 1: QPO 1 Loser vs EPO 1 Winner
Preliminary Semi Final 2: QPO 2 Loser vs EPO 2 Winner
Week Three
Qualifying Semi Final 1: QPO 1 Winner vs PSF 1 Winner *
Qualifying Semi Final 2: QPO 2 Winner vs PSF 2 Winner *
Week Four
Grand Final: QSF1 Winner vs QSF2 Winner
* subject to choice of highest placed winner in week one
The twist is that the Highest Ranked Preliminary Finalist (in our case this year would be the Bulldogs) can choose who they wish to play oput of the Semi Final (Week 2) Winners….
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My thoughts are that in Week 2, of the current finals system - the advantage shuld be with the higher ranked team from Rnd 1-26 or the Premiership
Week One
Qualifying Play Off 1: 1st vs 4th (winner receives a bye to week three)
Qualifying Play Off 2: 2nd vs 3rd (winner receives a bye to week three)
Elimination Play Off 1: 5th vs 8th (loser goes out)
Elimination Play Off 2: 6th vs 7th (loser goes out)
Week Two
Preliminary Semi Final 1: QPO 1 Loser vs EPO 1 Winner
Preliminary Semi Final 2: QPO 2 Loser vs EPO 2 Winner
Week Three
Qualifying Semi Final 1: QPO 1 Winner vs PSF 1 Winner *
Qualifying Semi Final 2: QPO 2 Winner vs PSF 2 Winner *
Week Four
Grand Final: QSF1 Winner vs QSF2 Winner
* subject to choice of highest placed winner in week one
The twist is that the Highest Ranked Preliminary Finalist (in our case this year would be the Bulldogs) can choose who they wish to play oput of the Semi Final (Week 2) Winners….
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My thoughts are that in Week 2, of the current finals system - the advantage shuld be with the higher ranked team from Rnd 1-26 or the Premiership
@Kaiser said:
That shows what a Joke it is…......
Simple solution though instead of Gallop and his cronies bending over and taking one from NEWS Ltd ...grow some....I said it before....All the finals after Week 1 go to ANZ.....
Marshall_magic
New member
I don't get the whinging what happened this week
winners
2nd-Bulldogs: rewarded with a week off and a home prelim
4th-Storm: rewarded with a week off and a home prelim
6th-Broncos: rewarded with a home semi
8th-Eels: rewarded with a home semi
losers
1st-Dragons: rewarded for their good season with a second bite at the cherry, punished with an away semi
3rd-Titans: rewarded for their good season with a second bite at the cherry, punished with an away semi
5th-Manly: punished by being knocked out
7th-Knights: punished by being knocked out
It's finals time, there is no prizes for losing.
winners
2nd-Bulldogs: rewarded with a week off and a home prelim
4th-Storm: rewarded with a week off and a home prelim
6th-Broncos: rewarded with a home semi
8th-Eels: rewarded with a home semi
losers
1st-Dragons: rewarded for their good season with a second bite at the cherry, punished with an away semi
3rd-Titans: rewarded for their good season with a second bite at the cherry, punished with an away semi
5th-Manly: punished by being knocked out
7th-Knights: punished by being knocked out
It's finals time, there is no prizes for losing.
diedpretty
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@Marshall_magic said:
diedpretty
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@Marshall_magic said:
Well not quite right - Brisbane get a home semi, Parra don't.
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