McKinnon shows the importance of a fullback.

[hadds75]

Fullback is close to the most important position on the field. Its hard to single out one position, but its definetly up there.

Have a look at every side in the comp, particular good teams, and notice how important there fullback is to there side. Have a look at the difference McKinnon makes when he plays. Unfortunately hes a yard off the pace these days and hes also going overseas, so theres no point debating anything.

Have a look at the list of fullbacks below, we have the worst fullback in the competition, or bottom 2 at best. Whether its Brown (whose nothing more than a safe fullback), or Moltzen, both these guys just arent up to the importance of being number 1\. look how important these guys are below to there side, compared to the role ours plays. all these guys are dominant players in there attack. in order give me any of these.

1) Slater
2) Dugan
3) Stewart
4) Boyd
5) Hayne
6) gordon or coote
7) Beale
8) Zillman
9) Locke
10) Gidley
11) gardener
12) barba
13) Minichello
14) Bowen
15) Wesser

all these guys are high quality, with the bottom 3 tailing off a bit because of age. Surely we can target one of these guys, pay the money and get them here. all these guys listed above play a huge role in there sides attack. Hell manly based there whole premiership win in 2008 on brett stewarts reading of the game and support play.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I still maintain that Hayne isn't a legitimate fullback. He is a bigger defensive liability then Moltzen has been in the past.
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[biggest_tigers_fan]

I am stressing next year about wade going and not having a recognised fb.Moltzen needs a whole season and a pre-season and learn how to support play,catch bombs and learn how to run back hard,he has the size and speed and just needs to use it.

 

[Moh]

Moltzen showed some great pace chasing Locke.

On Locke, has he re-signed with the Warriors? I wouldn't mind him TBH.

I still maintain that Hayne isn't a legitimate fullback. He is a bigger defensive liability then Moltzen has been in the past.
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Yup, but he's still miles ahead anyone we have.

 

[hadds75]

What about Coote whats his contract deal? Gordon when moved to number 1, prooved he was too good to be playing on the wing at penrith

 

[Moh]

Yah, unless they move Gordon to centre, I can't see Coote holding his fullback spot. Don't know what's going on with Penriths' halves department, but could Coote be possibly moved into there to accommodate Gordon?

If not, bring on Coote.

We seriously need to sign a fullback, 100% agree with OP.

 

[MacDougall]

Wade McKinnon at fullback - 6 wins 3 losses
Tim Moltzen at fullback - 1 win 3 losses

Rather telling.

 

[tiger05]

McKinnon has to go from our team. He is a great fullback and I can see why posters like him. He reads the play really well. He can take a bomb. He can defend. He can do everything right.

Unfortunately he has lost a yard or two of pace and he simply gets carved up at crucial times. He can also get out-jumped.

Despite all the talk of Moltzen being a liability he is a better option now than McKinnon and that was shown today. If all the spammers don't want Moltzen why not try Mullaney or someone else who has pace. Speed is crucial in the game. Look at the difference between Locke and McKinnon. It was chalk and cheese.

 

[Guest]

McKinnon has to go from our team. He is a great fullback and I can see why posters like him. He reads the play really well. He can take a bomb. He can defend. He can do everything right.

Unfortunately he has lost a yard or two of pace and he simply gets carved up at crucial times. He can also get out-jumped.

Despite all the talk of Moltzen being a liability he is a better option now than McKinnon and that was shown today. If all the spammers don't want Moltzen why not try Mullaney or someone else who has pace. Speed is crucial in the game. Look at the difference between Locke and McKinnon. It was chalk and cheese.

Do you honestly comprehend the stuff that you post on here? You've just said that McKinnon is a great fullback, reads the play well, can catch bombs, defend and do everything right, yet you want him dumped from the team :crazy

How therefore, does this make Moltzen a better option? And speed didn't count for much when Locke leapt for the ball and completely missed it with Wade catching it and scoring.

Thankfully the Tigers coaching staff know better.

 

[MacDougall]

McKinnon has to go from our team. He is a great fullback and I can see why posters like him. He reads the play really well. He can take a bomb. He can defend. He can do everything right.

Unfortunately he has lost a yard or two of pace and he simply gets carved up at crucial times. He can also get out-jumped.

Despite all the talk of Moltzen being a liability he is a better option now than McKinnon and that was shown today. If all the spammers don't want Moltzen why not try Mullaney or someone else who has pace. Speed is crucial in the game. Look at the difference between Locke and McKinnon. It was chalk and cheese.

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Wade McKinnon at fullback - 6 wins 3 losses
Tim Moltzen at fullback - 1 win 3 losses

Rather telling.

Let's add some more stats.

Wade McKinnon -
Average metres gained (1190 total from 9 matches) 132.2 metres per match with worst being 97 metres.
Average runs (126 total) 14 per match with worst being 10
Line breaks (7 total) 0.77 per match

Tim Moltzen (at fullback) -
Average metres gained (345 total from 4 matches) 86.2 metres per match with worst being 47 metres.
Average runs (35 total) 8.75 per match with worst being 6
Line breaks (2 total) 0.5 per match (both from the same game)

The list goes on and on. There honestly isn't a single stat that Moltzen has performed better in except for scoring more tries per average and I guarantee he wouldn't have scored any of the tries McKinnon has and McKinnon would have easily scored Moltzens (and probably more).

Moltzen isn't a fullback. Not on your life.

 

[alien]

tiger05, why dont you want moltzen to play halfback???

 

[tiger05]

tiger05, why dont you want moltzen to play halfback???

I think he'd be better at halfback than Lui and better at fulback than McKinnon. I'd prefer him at fullback if Lui can get some form and learn to defend. Unfortunately this doesn't seem like it is going to occur and **_Moltzen is better in the halves than at fullback._**

So I think I am starting to backflip a little bit but I'd like to see:

1\. A new fullback - I wish we had gone for Boyd. Dugan is an option. If we can't buy a quality fullback maybe Mullaney.
6\. Benji - what a player. He is winning games for us by himself.
7\. Moltzen - Benji probably leads the team around but Moltzen offers speed, a good long and short passing game and the occasional kick.
9\. Farah - we desperately need him to get some form back but at least he is starting to go away from the dumb kicks in the opposition 20.

 

[jais_tigez]

Hopefully for 500 k Blair can play fullback as well lol
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[happy_tiger]

I still think the we may have something up our sleeve for fullback in the way of a signing . Time will tell . Moltzen is not the answer at fullback at this stage

 

[hadds75]

I still think the we may have something up our sleeve for fullback in the way of a signing . Time will tell . Moltzen is not the answer at fullback at this stage

Gee i hope so.

Even from that list above there are other fullback options. Naiqama the other night looked a class above anyone we had, then who knows in the future - K.Hunt will probably be back in the NRL

 

[biggest_tigers_fan]

Gee tigers05 you finally changed your tune about moltzen playing full back
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[underdog]

Its tough about lui though - his ONLY problem is his defense - THATS IT.

If he can work on that he'll be a better half than moltz - but at the moment, lui is getting trampled.

 

[tiger05]

Its tough about lui though - his ONLY problem is his defense - THATS IT.

If he can work on that he'll be a better half than moltz - but at the moment, lui is getting trampled.

Its not just his defence. His attack has been terrible recently as well. Against the warriors it improved but prior to that it was red alert if he touched it - unfortunately the opposition weren't concerned.

I hope he can turn it around because he has shown that he can play.

 

[russelldp]

Wade has been good for us this year; courage under the high ball, hits some good lines, breaks tackles and backs up. But I have seen many occasions this year where an extra yard of pace would have resulted in tries or another 60 metres. We don't need a ball playing 2nd five eighth, as we already have the creativity. But when you are creative at both ends of the field, speed is vital (eg - Rowdy Lawrence and Lote with those blind side plays- a heap of long range tries). A zippy, smart number 1 would be a huge plus. I miss you Hodgo!
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[tiger05]

Wade has been good for us this year; courage under the high ball, hits some good lines, breaks tackles and backs up. But I have seen many occasions this year where an extra yard of pace would have resulted in tries or another 60 metres. We don't need a ball playing 2nd five eighth, as we already have the creativity. But when you are creative at both ends of the field, speed is vital (eg - Rowdy Lawrence and Lote with those blind side plays- a heap of long range tries). A zippy, smart number 1 would be a huge plus. I miss you Hodgo!
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The key point it that Mckinnon lacks that yard or two of pace now. I seriously don't get the number of posters who rate McKinnon especially as he has been shown up on numerous occasions. Its not just his attack that is a concern either. Against the warriors he got stood up in a major way twice. Benji saved him on one occasion but I'm pretty sure the other let to a try.

On the positive side the club obviously recognizes the problem hence he is moving on. I stated earlier the argument is done and dusted and it is. We only have to view it this year and hopefully McKinnon's positives are all we see until the end of this season.