Meyer: cambo has once last chance

[Coastie_Tiger]

I reckon Mayer isn't too upset about it a few more turn outs like that is a perfect excuse to shift more games to Homebush which I gather is his and the NRL's grand plan anyway. I think in seasons to come we will only play one game at both suburban grounds as a nostalgic thing.

 

[Black_n_White]

We have to treat Campelltown as if its a start up area… Instead we treat it as if it were an area of long term born and bred style supporter base, which unfortunately the Magpies left behind after each move.

We can either invest in the area to nurture it, or leave it for someone else to have a shot at... its really that simple. Campo is a growth area, people move there, they already follow teams... We need to go for their kids, go to schools and hand out fan bags worth a couple of cents each out of asia, a bumper sticker that may make it onto mum and dads car, a high five and a smile from a player may turn them, contact local junior leagues and hold Wests Tigers Gala days with everyone present, again fun bags, signed jerseys for players player each game... get out there and be tactile. Im not just talking out West, Im talking our entire range, Balmain, Ryde, Campo, hell even try to encroach on others territory... Because it is almost a guarantee that it will turn some parents as well, but it is a system that needs to be consistant as well.

 

[tigerbalm]

Before heading off into never never land, thought i might post what i just came across.

Now, unless i'm reading this wrong, what i found was the average attendance figures for both grounds since 2000.

LO 13, 578
C-town 12, 861

Unless my mind deceives me the difference isn't even 1000 people. So really, whats the big deal?

Here's the link http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/wests_tigers.html#ven

Bang!

Everytime this comes up I try to find that stat.

Plus the siren works at Cambo.

Cambo is here to stay folks. Deal with it.

/thread…bring on parra.

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[pHyR3]

Before heading off into never never land, thought i might post what i just came across.

Now, unless i'm reading this wrong, what i found was the average attendance figures for both grounds since 2000.

LO 13, 578
C-town 12, 861

Unless my mind deceives me the difference isn't even 1000 people. So really, whats the big deal?

Here's the link http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/wests_tigers.html#ven

Cambo is here to stay folks. Deal with it.
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except that it's not, neither is LO. Both will be phased out as they make almost no money compared to ANZ. CS will get an early exit though if theres another exceedingly poor crowd against the broncs

 

[GNR4LIFE]

So when Leichhardt and C-town get phased out does that mean we relinquish the junior area's? kind of arrogant to not play or engage the area but still take the juniors.

 

[Black_n_White]

Empty threat Phyre… if we abandon the area we open it up to being actively pursued by other clubs or codes. We dont really hold the area, we occupy it. We want fans, we want attendance, we cannot hand over territory to spite the fact, we need to find ways to embrace and milk the place for every fan we can. It is obvious we arent doing enough.

 

[Marshall_magic]

Yet you like everyone else seems content to point the finger at one section of the supporter base. Thats seems like a Wests v Balmain thing to me.

This will continue while multiple grounds are used …my opinion that I have had for years it has to be one ground and that one is most central and that is ANZ it not perfect but now you even get free travel there + the 100 K to play there.
Time to cut the loses with grounds and the fair weather supporters ,the crowd last night was an absolute joke with the population in that area you should get 16 thousand walk ups alone.I just hope the new independent board will make the hard decisions that need to be made as the club in General is suffering!

I don't think all games at ANZ will ever happen. I think we will eventually land on a 10-2 split between ANZ and Leichhardt, with two games against small interstate opponents being shifted to Leichhardt where they will draw a crowd. I just can't see us persisting with games at Campbelltown when they draw crowds like last night which even considering the weather should have drawn double what it did.

 

[tig_prmz]

So when Leichhardt and C-town get phased out does that mean we relinquish the junior area's? kind of arrogant to not play or engage the area but still take the juniors.

ANZ is less than 45 mins away from liverpool/campbelltown and balmain afaik.

we can't lose money to play in those areas however, we still do engage in mcarthur regions. the amount of times the players hold meet ups at gearzone @ mcarthur square and the schools they visit is quite high.

 

[tigerbalm]

Before heading off into never never land, thought i might post what i just came across.

Now, unless i'm reading this wrong, what i found was the average attendance figures for both grounds since 2000.

LO 13, 578
C-town 12, 861

Unless my mind deceives me the difference isn't even 1000 people. So really, whats the big deal?

Here's the link http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/wests_tigers.html#ven

Cambo is here to stay folks. Deal with it.
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except that it's not, neither is LO. Both will be phased out as they make almost no money compared to ANZ. CS will get an early exit though if theres another exceedingly poor crowd against the broncs

Lol…ok. We will see.

I would expect the rich, successful side of the JV has become rich and successful by not alienating huge portions of its consumers and identifies future growth areas. LO is dead, the area is stagnate. Oh wow there was 16k at a local derby on a rainy Sunday, so let's write off south west Sydney. Stupid stupid talk.
I think Mayer should stop shooting off his mouth. As he commonly states " things that happened before his time are not his doing" but unfortunately Mayer there is a bad taste left by the previous clown in your job. Stop threatening your consumers. Go back to focusing on pushing the club in the area. If you want wests to be a successful club you need to win the Cambo locals back....and news flash-it won't happen in one season.

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[GNR4LIFE]

I can't see it happening either, its an empty threat. Logic would tell you if consumers aren't satisfied you keep working till you win them over, and it can be done, its not hard. They just want a quick fix and they're not finding it.

 

[alex]

Souths play out of ANZ. Have they relinquished their junior area? Nope.

 

[stryker]

In defence of the campo brigade, it is a bit early in the season for them to attend weekend matches….most are still doing weekend detentions from summer. Give us a thursday night game and they will pack it out....

Nothing like a stereotype eh Stryker?? Being from Qld (not the brightest people on earth) I can understand you may struggle with common sense, I mean you would still have Benji playing 5/8 for us wouldn't you? Idiot!

:laughing: i bet you wish your misses bites as hard…maybe your boyfriend does? Congrats man, you can be married soon!

 

[prattenpark]

Straw poll of the people sitting near me last night and where they had travelled from: Newtown (me), Ryde, Blacktown, Bankstown, Auburn and Orange.

The diehards go no matter where we play. We seem to be struggling with match day walk-ups at Campbelltown in recent times. Diehard fans/members are there, of which we seem to have about 5,000, but where are the locals?

Leichhardt games are an event. You walk up Mary St and houses display black, orange and white balloons. The pubs are full, the streets are buzzing. You don't get that at Campbelltown. Wests Campbelltown is grey and stark. They are happy to take the punters money before and after the game but they put nothing in (either $ to the joint venture as they have now left and no colour on game day). A few banners, balloons or streamers might help. They seem to want to distance themselves from all football, magpies or tigers, the club is simply Wests, no magpie, no black and white. Just drab old grey. And, their CEO has the hide to gripe.

By the way, I use public transport to all three venues and it takes roughly the same time to get to each from Newtown. 1 hour and 10 to Leumeah. The 440 from Leichhardt can be 20-50 minutes depending on traffic (add the time it takes to get out of Leichhardt and actually get on a bus and it can be 1.30 door to door). From ANZ, if you miss the direct train to Central, the two changes I need to make means it is well over an hour to get home.

 

[shane2801]

In defence of the campo brigade, it is a bit early in the season for them to attend weekend matches….most are still doing weekend detentions from summer. Give us a thursday night game and they will pack it out....

Nothing like a stereotype eh Stryker?? Being from Qld (not the brightest people on earth) I can understand you may struggle with common sense, I mean you would still have Benji playing 5/8 for us wouldn't you? Idiot!

:laughing: i bet you wish your misses bites as hard…maybe your boyfriend does? Congrats man, you can be married soon!

Homophobic as well Stryker?? What is it 1985? You're all class.

 

[azsportza]

CEO of Wests Leagues Club Campbelltown, Tony Mathew, hit back at Mayer, questioning the consistency in promoting the event.

The $10 ticket deal was announced late in the week as an incentive for fans that arrived early to watch the junior and lower grades.

“I think there needs to be a consistency so people know what it is, so they don’t leave things to the last moment so that they don’t consider what the weather.”

Mathew, whose leagues club is no longer a shareholder in the joint-venture, also questioned the amount of interstate teams who appear at the stadium.

The Cowboys, Broncos, Raiders and Storm will all visit the region, meaning the Tigers will face no fellow Sydney teams at Campbelltown this year.

“There’s a pool of clubs that we quite often play and we would like more variety out here so we get to see all the stars,” said Mathew.

“I think the ground can hold 20,000 people and we’d like to see more games in Campbelltown against other Sydney teams.

“Then, certainly there’d be a question if another Sydney team brought a lot of supporters whether we could accommodate them and whether we couldn’t.”

Source: http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/terrific-wests-tigers-lose-skipper-robbie-farah-to-injury-as-they-roar-past-north-queensland-cowboys/story-fniabjcr-1226881767954

 

[shane2801]

In defence of the campo brigade, it is a bit early in the season for them to attend weekend matches….most are still doing weekend detentions from summer. Give us a thursday night game and they will pack it out....

Nothing like a stereotype eh Stryker?? Being from Qld (not the brightest people on earth) I can understand you may struggle with common sense, I mean you would still have Benji playing 5/8 for us wouldn't you? Idiot!

:laughing: i bet you wish your misses bites as hard…maybe your boyfriend does? Congrats man, you can be married soon!

Homophobic as well Stryker?? What is it 1985? You're all class.

On second thought, it probably is 1985 in Cairns.

 

[stryker]

and your a whining moron Shane…wake up clown
It was a joke to sidetrack the inevitable wests v balmain stoush

 

[Tiger_Watto]

CEO of Wests Leagues Club Campbelltown, Tony Mathew, hit back at Mayer, questioning the consistency in promoting the event.

The $10 ticket deal was announced late in the week as an incentive for fans that arrived early to watch the junior and lower grades.

“I think there needs to be a consistency so people know what it is, so they don’t leave things to the last moment so that they don’t consider what the weather.”

Mathew, whose leagues club is no longer a shareholder in the joint-venture, also questioned the amount of interstate teams who appear at the stadium.

The Cowboys, Broncos, Raiders and Storm will all visit the region, meaning the Tigers will face no fellow Sydney teams at Campbelltown this year.

“There’s a pool of clubs that we quite often play and we would like more variety out here so we get to see all the stars,” said Mathew.

“I think the ground can hold 20,000 people and we’d like to see more games in Campbelltown against other Sydney teams.

“Then, certainly there’d be a question if another Sydney team brought a lot of supporters whether we could accommodate them and whether we couldn’t.”

Source: http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/terrific-wests-tigers-lose-skipper-robbie-farah-to-injury-as-they-roar-past-north-queensland-cowboys/story-fniabjcr-1226881767954

I thought Wests Campbelltown walked away from the Wests Tigers?

What's it got to do with them?

Not enough people pumping money into your pokies???

 

[Russell]

Why is this getting into a LO v CSS.

By the way Boon Boon that "Crap Hole with poor facilities that is hard to get to" is spelt with a double "h".

I said in another thread that I don't think was posted - LO last year suffered a similar draw to that of Campbelltown's this year. i.e. Out of town teams, bad weather and Saturday and Monday night games. This all equalled small crowds and everyone was demanding a move from Leichhardt to ANZ or take the 4 games to CSS. The shoe at the moment is on the other foot and the people in favour of CSS don't like it. Tough!

I would think the best solution is move the 4 CSS games to ANZ until the proposed planned stadium at Liverpool is finished. It looked pretty good to me and would still service the Western area. When the contract with ANZ is completed we could move those games there as well. It would be back to 2 grounds - 4 games Leichhardt and the rest at Liverpool ( and of course we train there and everything else).

 

[galahs]

The disappointing crowd at Campbelltown this Saturday stems from issues going way back.

In 1987 the area had the Western Suburbs Magpies forced upon them. It was not their own team, but an inner city team relocated to the population growth area.

Though the Magpies were somewhat successful in 1991 and 1992, it was not with local players but with a team based on imported players and an imported coach.

In 1995 Tommy Raudonikis rebuilt the Magpies into a successful team that by 1996 made the semi finals. This time the side was comprised primarily of local players. The team trained in the area, lived in the area, embraced the area and the fans responded. Finally this felt like “THEIR” team. Unfortunately just when things were looking up for Wests, dark clouds rolled over Rugby League.

1997… Super League.

Money talked and the rest walked. All the good work the Magpies had done became null and void overnight. They just couldn’t compete with the cash being thrown around by the bigger clubs. This led to two wooden spoons, small crowds and their exit from the NRL. Important growth areas like the Macarthur, Central Coast, Gold Coast, Illawarra and Perth were tossed away in favour of the traditional established markets.

The Magpies only option for survival was a joint venture. St George beat Wests to partnering with Illawarra, and the geographically sensible partnership with the Bulldogs looked more like a hostile take-over. Wests only option was to jump into bed with fellow foundation club Balmain.

Again the Macarthur area was forced into a new arrangement that would see them with 50% less games a year being played at Campbelltown, and many of their local players being forced out of the game in favour of Wayne Pearce’s Balmain boys.

Wests negotiated that the team was to wear a Black Wests “inspired” jersey for half the games a year, and that the Magpie logo was to be permanently placed on the shoulder of ALL Wests Tigers jerseys.

The first game of the Joint Venture at Campbelltown was against the Brisbane Broncos. The area was willing to give the new identity a chance with 15,376 people turning up.

Unfortunately results didn’t follow and with a few on and off field dramas, the club’s support dwindled. So much so that by the end of 2004 Wests Tigers reduced the games played at Campbelltown and Leichhardt to 3 games each for the following season.

Board room support for the joint venture was now at an all-time low with the deep divisions between Wests and Balmain beginning to surface.

But these divisions were put on the sidelines with the amazing mid-year turn around the team had in 2005 that led all the way to the Wests Tigers first premiership. A record 20,527 people turned up at Campbelltown Stadium to watch Wests Tigers beat the Cowboys. The club’s on-field success puttied over the cracks. Things seemed to be heading on the right track, but even though on the exterior everything appeared ok, the foundation still remained fractured.

In 2006 Tim Sheens put in place a plan that would eventually bring the joint venture close to breaking point.

Rightly or wrongly, Tim Sheens wanted all the fringe players in a single NSW Cup side, and he chose to have them play for the Balmain Tigers. Now all Wests Tigers contracted players would play in a Balmain Jersey and would train a stone’s throw away from Leichhardt at Concord Oval in Sydney’s Inner West.

Campbelltown Stadium then played only 3 NRL games a year and mostly against out of state teams. The majority of the players lived and trained in the inner west, merchandise was predominately Black and Gold and the Wests Magpies Football Club was in turmoil.

These decisions greatly upset the Wests side of the joint venture and led to a general feeling that Wests and the Macarthur were being treated as second class citizens. This peaked in 2011 when the decision was made to remove the Magpies from the NSW Cup. At the last minute after much public outcry the decision was overturned and the Magpies and Balmain again fielded separate teams.

Balmain with their NRL fringe players (including many Magpie Juniors) made the NSW Cup Grand Final. The Magpies with a thrown together team with no NRL experience and no Wests Tigers support, came dead last.

Wests had reached the darkest of times. The Magpies dropped down to 3rd grade Ron Massey Cup, Wests Tigers ran out on the field wearing a jersey without the Magpie logo on their sleeves and Wests Campbelltown Leagues Club pulled the pin.

The Wests in the Wests Tigers had been all but removed. Throw in bad weather, supporters from the Inner West reluctance to travel to Campbelltown and playing an out-of-state team, it’s no surprise that Campbelltown’s crowd was so disappointing.

The question is, how will the Wests Tigers rebuild local support in Macarthur?