Michael Maguire leaves club

[BAGNF05]

Maybe it's unrealistic and overrates the role of coaching, but with a fair few players gone now and quite a few new faces (Laurie, Maumalo, Roberts, Hastings, Stefano, Peachey, Leiulua...etc) I'd hope the coach would be able to improve the players, whether they are a particularly good squad or not.

I think Madge means well and has obviously been successful with souths, and hasn't had the best of circumstances with us, but the players he has bought haven't gotten better, and this is despite the fact they all claim he's been great for them.

So I just think his time is done. Maybe we wait until the end of the season because it doesn't really help the next coach to sack him now, but it just doesn't look like things are going to improve under Madge.

I thino Stef, Laurie and ken played well last year. roberts arrived broken on the cheap, Hastings and peach only just got here. Luciano has been a roller coaster. When you can only sign discards it’s going to be a mixed bag. I think Madge will be gone but no improvement coming until we get some quality leaders on the field.

 

[tig_prmz]

He was told flat out, by an actual medical doctor that he had broken his cheekbone, that he could lose and eye and simply blowing his nose could prove costly........Maguire was told by a Doctor that his player could lose an eye if he plays on. Madge said....no worries. Disgraceful. You dont see why a coach when told his player could lose an eye if he plays on, would get involved? I do.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/south-sydney-sam-burgess-reveals-he-almost-lost-his-eye-in-iconic-grand-final-moment/243e462b-de18-4361-8f17-e0eb3757f142.

I can't see the link, says page not found.

I understand where you're coming from but you're giving a very basic and superficial explanation.

The discussion would have been in-depth between physio, sports doctor and player. Blindness AFAIK is a very unlikely outcome but more likely facial paralysis, neuralgia and jaw numbness etc are more likely. Madge wouldnt be a part of this discussion, he would have simply asked, "can you play" or "do you want to play". The coach isn't responsible for making these choices because he isn't qaulified for it.

Players play with open wounds all the time that could lead to infections and even amputations, extremely unlikely but the coach is still going to ask the same questions , 1 to the doctor/physio and 1 to the player. Coach isn't responsible for it UNLESS he physically forces them to play injured, which in this instance I cannot imagine would have happened.

 

[Tiger5150]

I can't see the link, says page not found.

I understand where you're coming from but you're giving a very basic and superficial explanation.

The discussion would have been in-depth between physio, sports doctor and player. Blindness AFAIK is a very unlikely outcome but more likely facial paralysis, neuralgia and jaw numbness etc are more likely. Madge wouldnt be a part of this discussion, he would have simply asked, "can you play" or "do you want to play". The coach isn't responsible for making these choices because he isn't qaulified for it.

Players play with open wounds all the time that could lead to infections and even amputations, extremely unlikely but the coach is still going to ask the same questions , 1 to the doctor/physio and 1 to the player. Coach isn't responsible for it UNLESS he physically forces them to play injured, which in this instance I cannot imagine would have happened.

Weird, worked for me. Try again.

Burgess reveals how he nearly lost his eye

How even blowing his nose could've proved costly

wwos.nine.com.au

Its not a nuanced discussion. It is actually very basic and straightforward. The Doctor said "'Well I just need you to warn you that you could lose your eye if you take a collision to it. And don't blow your nose.'. ...A medical doctor warned that a consequence of playing on was losing an eye. Madge said no worries. Not any nuance required.

The injury was much worse than they thought. He had two fractures to his cheekbone and fractured his eye socket as well. Sam Burgess, Dr Andrew Macdonald and Michael Maguire are all very lucky. Mind you this is the same Doctor that prescribed Burgess liquid valium as a tranquiliser in his father in laws name, so duty of care might not be his strong point.

Hits keep coming for Sam Burgess as authorities probe Souths doctor

The hits keep coming in the Sam Burgess saga with authorities confirming a formal investigation is underway into claims involving the chief doctor of the South Sydney Rabbitohs.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[tig_prmz]

Yep I know about the valium fiasco. All very shady for sure, agree with you there.

I don't think I can say anything further to what I have already said. The final say is always on the player. Madge and the doc aren't lucky in that instance, the burden cannot be on someone else for Sam Burgess' actions as long as he was consciously able to make a decision.

 

[Swordy]

Maguire is almost like Scomo at the moment. Someone farts 10000kms away, and they caused it. Give me a break.

 

[Cobarcats]

Batboys epic too long to reply so I'll just say in support of him by saying that for years I've been ranting it's a pro sport, money talks and the best roster wins, how money is spent and where it comes from is another issue but if you stuff up a system you have to start again and in our case or should I say basket case weve not really restarted properly.
We've got a window now, lets see if an old head can steer the ship properly this time.

 

[Tiger5150]

Yep I know about the valium fiasco. All very shady for sure, agree with you there.

I don't think I can say anything further to what I have already said. The final say is always on the player. Madge and the doc aren't lucky in that instance, the burden cannot be on someone else for Sam Burgess' actions as long as he was consciously able to make a decision.

Disagree with this, but as you say, we have both covered our opinions. Good to disagree with respect.

 

[bathursttiger1]

So does the Maguire empire.

Maybe we should start a Poetry tread.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Weird, worked for me. Try again.

Burgess reveals how he nearly lost his eye

How even blowing his nose could've proved costly

wwos.nine.com.au

Its not a nuanced discussion. It is actually very basic and straightforward. The Doctor said "'Well I just need you to warn you that you could lose your eye if you take a collision to it. And don't blow your nose.'. ...A medical doctor warned that a consequence of playing on was losing an eye. Madge said no worries. Not any nuance required.

The injury was much worse than they thought. He had two fractures to his cheekbone and fractured his eye socket as well. Sam Burgess, Dr Andrew Macdonald and Michael Maguire are all very lucky. Mind you this is the same Doctor that prescribed Burgess liquid valium as a tranquiliser in his father in laws name, so duty of care might not be his strong point.

Hits keep coming for Sam Burgess as authorities probe Souths doctor

The hits keep coming in the Sam Burgess saga with authorities confirming a formal investigation is underway into claims involving the chief doctor of the South Sydney Rabbitohs.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Sounds very much like Sam talking himself up TBH. The doctor would have told him not to blow his nose because it probably would've caused his eye to swell up and close instantly, nothing worse (Donald Cerrone had this exact same thing happen to himself during a UFC fight). If Burgess had wanted to come off nobody was stopping him from doing it.
Andrew Johns was warned by doctors that he could die playing in the '97 GF with a punctured lung supposedly. Never heard much about that after the fact.

 

[clontarfkid]

Sheens knows Madge is almost certainly here only until the end of 2022 when Madges KPIs (ie make final 8) void his contract for next season at no/minimal. cost..to club
.....so Sheens will distatnce himself both from 2022 coaching and results ,but continue to recruit quality players to build around a committed core of Hastings,Douhie,Api,Papali,Mamalo ,Stefano next season,with maybe the odd junior or 3 hopefully) emerging.
Its yet another rebuild with yet another new coach inevitably,but unlike previous ,this ones already well on its way, orchestrated by Sheens in the backround,whilst Madge bats on coaching in 22 managing at times some calamatous results...again.After 4 years,Mostly of his own making btw
Season end termination of coach also gives us time to time to recruit Kristian Woolf,far and away the best coach in ESL for 2-3yrs now and wants to come home having done everything over there and a superb job with Tonga in World cup(and actually attracy some players rather than repel them)
It will all gradually fall into place,but weve gotta get thru another miserable year,plus work out how we offload under favorable terms (for us) the serial underperformers that really dont want to be here and are negatively impacting our culture and performance on field ..ie Brooks/Laurie/Noffa.,all whom have long term contracts(+ Joffa who leaves at year end,)
You can punt Peachy too..exactly the type of atitude we didnt need...and I doubt whether all 85kgs of Gildart is finding NRL a walk in the park and may return to UK at year end
Liddle will leave as Api has taken his slot..maybe Simpkin too.Neither are NRL quality
So changes are coming,but pragmatics of avoiding huge payout to incumbent coach ,hiring the right one when he becomes available later in the year,and removing dead wood from the playing group all take time
We'll see how good Mr Sheens really is in this hands-off rebuild role.Done great so far in attracting some quality players,but much more needs to be achieved,not unlike what the Dogs did

 

[KH1988]

Paul Kent was blaming the players and

Kent can't have it both ways. "The players have let Madge down, Roberts is not a Madge type player"
Idiot, Madge signed him and Joey. A lot of the criticism of Madge is that he's too hard on the players, but Slothfield thinks they need tough love by Flanagan or Green.
Moronic crap being peddled as journalism.

100% - Every time they discuss the Tigers on NRL 360 Kent says the players are to blame. Then when someone counters but Maguire signed the players - he just changes the subject every time.

 

[TCL]

please, anyone who listens to Kent, rothfield and the like needs their head checked. Not one of them has any intention of level headed reporting! Sell papers, get clicks is all they are about.
madge is over and out, the players are over and out. I hope they make me eat my words and turn it around but that’s not possible. The only thing that is evident is these guys are not playing for the coach, imo only way to save the season is to move Madge on by round 5 if things haven’t changed.

 

[Telltails]

The players are the handbrake to the clubs success, and it will continue to be that way while ever other clubs have better ones - no matter how many coaches we go through.
We havnt had a forward pack who has been respected, feared ,stood up week in week out ever. Not a player selected for SOO duties - other than Stef - in how long, yet we continue to hear about unhappy players. We stink of desperation and our lack of ability to attract and or retain who we need, empowers the players we have to deliver more of the same while fooling themselves that they are not where the problem lies.

 

[supercoach]

We have a Very poor roster coupled with some long term injuries. Any Coach would struggle big time.

So if we go down the new coach road, he must be a coach that attracts players and players want to play under. Because without a massive injection of class and quality we are going to be on the bottom for decades.

Of course a coach that could at least instil some enthusiasm and pride would be a step in the right direction

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

The Parra boys won up big on the TAB that day

Must of backed “Lidcombe Oval Hoodoo” in the last ?

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

Cleary beat Melbourne with a backline of

1 Thompson
2 Nofoaluma
3 Marsters
4 Naiqama
5 Watene-Zelezniak

I despise Ivan Cleary with every bone in my body, but if you gave him our current crop we'd possess far more direction in both attack and defence.

Defence yes, attack no. We had the second worst attack in the league under Cleary, only 3 points more than wooden spooners Eels that year. We had the most putrid attack that relied on offloads and grubbers to score points.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If the club decides to sack him, they should be made to explain what’s changed between now and after the final round against the Dogs.

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

So without me reading the past 31 pages, can you blokes please tell me the name of the new coach we have ready to take over when we sack Madge ?
He'd want to be some sort of super experienced and successful NRL coach, coz we have everything riding on him and his re-build.
Hey . . . "re-build" !!! there's a great idea !!
We can sack this useless coach and get in a new bloke.
Mr new bloke will not take responsibility for our losses with the roster that the last useless coach built, he needs to be judged on HIS team. You just wait and see our success when he has HIS team playing in our colours. Should only take 2 or 3 years, so we have to sign him for 4 . . . to make sure we get the most benefit from his newfound wisdoms.
Stay with me here forumers . . . this is new ground for us, all this re-building and roster ownership . . . and I'm thinking on the run.
So fast forward 2 years . . . .
"Who the hell signed this useless moron coach for 4 years ??!!!!"
Jesus Christ, what sort of idiot couldn't see he was destined for failure ? Now we can't afford to sack him and just have to wait out a couple of years till we can finally sack him.
You blokes wouldn't happen to know the name of the new coach we have lined up to start the next re-build ? Just a couple of years to get the new new coach's style of players . . . . won't be top 8 first year, but we'll build towards that.
. . . . having said all that, I don't have the answer either. But has the past 10 years not taught us anything at all ?

 

[Lauren]

Feels like the WTs way is constantly trying to fit square pegs in round holes. Not sure if it's solely Madge's coaching or the squad or a combination of both.
The reality is that we're stuck with this roster (it has it's fair share of problems, with lack of leadership, balance and experience) and simply need to find ways to win.
Our coaching staff need to address the team's poor composure and communication issues, adapt game plans more suited to a team that cannot maintain a certain level or standard for 80s minutes when we're outmatched in most areas (size, class etc.,) - this is why most complaints are usually to do with our interchange use, as its often ineffectual in allowing us to play to the best of our capabilities.
Low confidence will always impact the team's effort IMO, so why do we persist with moving away from our strengths. It's clear we aint going to break new ground when we haven't even found any methods that maximise teamwork or each player's potential.

 

[TrueTiger]

Its funny how everything is laid at the feet of the coach when things go wrong,but high paid players with the reputation and hype mostly get a leave pass..
unfortunately they cant hide these days either,Stef was interviewed on WTs TV on the website,he stated that the poor performances are on them the players,""Madge gives us the tools,gameplans,structures and is always on hand to help and support us""...
So why is it that Maguire always is the one that has to go...? He is doing what a coach needs to do,but the players are to dumb to understand whats needed week to week and make the same mistakes game after game...
Sometimes I think that fans keep barking up the wrong tree instead of looking for the right one...