Mick Potter's future at Wests Tigers

@alex said:
If we can't win more than half our games with the roster we have then I am happy to see Potter go. It's his job to get the best out of the players. I've been a big Potter supporter but if he can't make it work then maybe he's not right for the club.

I don't know what Steve Folkes is doing now (did I hear he was a video ref in the Panthers v Knights game?), but I would be hunting him down to fill the Head Coach role. It's no coincidence the two years he was here we finished in the Top 4.

I felt the same way about Folkes until someone pointed out the difference in rosters we had when he was. A pack containing, Gibbs, Ellis, Payten, Dwyer compared to what we have now.
He left us to go to the Dragons, he didn't have the same impact there.
 
@Fraze23 said:
@alex said:
If we can't win more than half our games with the roster we have then I am happy to see Potter go. It's his job to get the best out of the players. I've been a big Potter supporter but if he can't make it work then maybe he's not right for the club.

I don't know what Steve Folkes is doing now (did I hear he was a video ref in the Panthers v Knights game?), but I would be hunting him down to fill the Head Coach role. It's no coincidence the two years he was here we finished in the Top 4.

I felt the same way about Folkes until someone pointed out the difference in rosters we had when he was. A pack containing, Gibbs, Ellis, Payten, Dwyer compared to what we have now.
He left us to go to the Dragons, he didn't have the same impact there.

Our pack this year is just as good IMO if not very close.

Like I inferred in my earlier post - some coaches work better with some groups of players. Look at Bellamy at Melbourne. Successful there but useless at Origin. It's just a matter of getting a coach and team who are right for each other.
 
Potter should finish at least the majority of the year. Potter really got a poisoned challis at the WT. sheens was sacked, players not in harmony with club management, the benji factor ( say no more ) just for starters.
As a junior NRL coach Potter did not have the autho to just weild the axe as he probably wanted to. His hands were tied with Benji who was like the sacred cow you could not drop to NSW Cup. I'm sure a more experienced coach like "Wayne Bennett" would have had a lot more authority to handle the likes of benji and player disharmony last year.
As for Anasta, I'm quite sure that if he does not perform in the next game or so , Potter will have no problem weilding the changes to the side. Potter is giving the players a 2nd chance this week, but he won't be so forgiving next week.
In regards to 2014, I think it will be one of those years where we go through patches of really outstanding form and then games like last week. If we win 10 games for the year I would count the year as a great success.
Rome was not built in 1 day…..we need to get the foundations done right this time so that 2015 & 2016 are years of success.
 
ps: as for possible coach replacements if it came to that…...either Toddy or Kidwell. Just as good as anyone else outside the top 4-5 coach's we either cannot afford & they would not come to the Tigers ATM anyway.

But I really hope Potter makes us eat our words and gets the side performing. I see the likes of Teddy, Noafo & Simona as great examples of his work last year.
 
I don't like the idea of Payten as head coach… Just yet. To me there's something not right about being coached by someone you played with. I want someone who could hold the team accountable as it seems that's still an issue
 
@Mona Lolesi said:
I was a defender of Anasta, thought he may have been unfairly bagged in 2013 given he missed a lot of games with injury and played a number of positions.

I also thought he would be a level head and direct the team around, assist Brooks and assist in the kicking game.

He was pus on Sunday, didn't even look like he was interested. Surely Austin will be knocking on the door.

I know this post is supposed to be re Mick Potter, but to comment on the above post, if you look at the statistics of Anasta in last weeks match they were at least on par with the five eighth in the opposing team.

Re Mick Potter if the club/team do not connect with him for some reason, then I guess he should go for his sake as well, I'm sure he can't be happy if no one else is and he's unable to get the results required of a quality coach. Good Luck :sign:
 
@WTDiehard said:
ps: as for possible coach replacements if it came to that…...either Toddy or Kidwell. Just as good as anyone else outside the top 4-5 coach's we either cannot afford & they would not come to the Tigers ATM anyway.

But I really hope Potter makes us eat our words and gets the side performing. I see the likes of Teddy, Noafo & Simona as great examples of his work last year.

Yeah,same here,to be fair our Defence woes started with Payten retiring and then Heigno loosing form and Ellis leaving,If Potter doesn't fix it quick he's gone.
I would get Tedesco into 5/8 and leave him there to try & build up a combination with Brooks,Anasta(or Richards) back to fullback(i know it didn't work at the Chooks) and if he fails there again then he must go back to the bench.Just my 2c at this early stage of the season.
 
@2041 said:
Couldn't agree more with this assessment. I gave him a pass for last year, based on having inerited a poor squad with far too much dead weight. But after a full offseason the signs are not good:
- No sign of defensive improvement at all. Surely it can't be impossible to turn even a weak squad into a defensive unit that's at least sufficiently competent that it doesn't ship seven tries to the bloody Dragons?
- Clearly second best in conditioning/fitness. Clearly the team hasn't trialled enough, or at the right intensity, and that could on its own cost us the next couple of games.
- Discipline still dreadful. We will be the most penalised team in the comp this year and a fair amount of that is on the coaching staff.
- General lack of tactical nous. I actually spotted this in the nines, amazingly enough. We didn't go in with any ideas about how to play the format. There's no direction - no idea about how to play to our strengths and neutralise our weaknesses. Look at Souths: they have amazing forwards and mediocre outside backs (other than Inglis), so they play a style that suits the cattle. We just have… some players. There's no identity - do they still want to play 'Tigers football' or to be a structured team? What the hell was the game plan even meant to be yesterday?
- Persisting with utter nothings like Thompson and Anasta. The latter, in particular, simply has to improve or he should get axed before March is out. I never bought 'he was moved around a lot' as an excuse last season and playing a zero alongside a young half is not acceptable.
- Desperately mediocre signings like Lulia go straight into the team. This is a nothing player we should not have signed and should not be anywhere near first grade.
- Still can't get anything out of Blair, yet still picks him. If Parramatta can dump Sandow to reggies why is Blair guaranteed a game? 45 metres yesterday: pathetic effort.

Look, I know it's one game and blah blah overreaction. But I held back from saying anything in pre-season (I thought a lot of people on here were being wildly over-optimistic about our prospects) because I wanted to see if Potter could get a couple of things right. Specifically: better defence, and a better game plan.

There was no evidence of that yesterday, and that was in a game that had to have been one of the half-dozen targets of matches we could actually win this year. The Dragons won't score 40 points in two consecutive games for most of this season - it cannot be overestimated how much of an embarrassment that performance was.

I'd give Potter a month to show that there might at least be some grounds for hope in terms of the defence. There are two more winnable games in the first four rounds - I'd say a bare minimum is to be 1-4 and not humiliated by Souths or Manly. If we can't manage that then we might as well get rid now, officially or unofficially, and have a decent amount of time to line someone competent for 2015.

Massive over reaction, I would hope you have now seen almost all of those problems t corrected.

Do you think that maybe, just maybe the problem last week was the players!
 
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