Mick Potter's future at Wests Tigers
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Tim Sheens left this place in a terrible, awful mess. No one can disput that
* inflated contracts for Blair and Anasta
* letting go of Fifita,
* messy situations setting go of heart and soul players gibbs, ryan, CH
* Years of boys club culture, with Benji and his mates
* Years of awful defence
* years of signing nothing journeymen
What your left with is a club with some overpaid veterans, raw young blokes, a losing culture, fractured player group in terms of spirit. Throw in all the turmoil off the pitch and the bloke has had the job from hell.
However this season he has been able to recruit some of his own coaches and some of his own players. So i expect them to look better then they did last year, even if it is only a small improvement. I expect them to be more consistent in games, with a style of play.
Mostly I want him to prove he can motivate the side. I am very worried by some of our showings under Mick, that he is not motivating them. Ultimately that is his responsibility whether the players are rubbish or unhappy or whatever. He needs to show this quality quickly or it is red rover for him in the NRL.
* inflated contracts for Blair and Anasta
* letting go of Fifita,
* messy situations setting go of heart and soul players gibbs, ryan, CH
* Years of boys club culture, with Benji and his mates
* Years of awful defence
* years of signing nothing journeymen
What your left with is a club with some overpaid veterans, raw young blokes, a losing culture, fractured player group in terms of spirit. Throw in all the turmoil off the pitch and the bloke has had the job from hell.
However this season he has been able to recruit some of his own coaches and some of his own players. So i expect them to look better then they did last year, even if it is only a small improvement. I expect them to be more consistent in games, with a style of play.
Mostly I want him to prove he can motivate the side. I am very worried by some of our showings under Mick, that he is not motivating them. Ultimately that is his responsibility whether the players are rubbish or unhappy or whatever. He needs to show this quality quickly or it is red rover for him in the NRL.
I feel sorry for Mick in a lot of ways.
He inherited a quagmire of crap from Sheens and then lost half of it to injuries last year whilst fighting with our top personel. He discovered/brought along some good talent and should be given the chance to work with them for at least the remainder of his contract.
He inherited a quagmire of crap from Sheens and then lost half of it to injuries last year whilst fighting with our top personel. He discovered/brought along some good talent and should be given the chance to work with them for at least the remainder of his contract.
MacDougall
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I still think Potter can get something out of this team. I've got faith. I like what he said after the match, placing the blame where it should go and I like that Brock Corfe and Teddy said that he pasted them and told them they were embarrassing after the match. It doesn't sound like he is offering any quarter for them this year and as well he shouldn't. Even if this team struggles all year and he gets sacked I will rate Potter. I think he has what it takes and I think last year was harsh luck with injury and ridiculous players acting like idiots ruining the season. This year with a little luck he will get improvement in the long run.
stevetiger
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@MacDougall said:
I feel the same way. I don't see Potter as the problem. He is also trying stuff.
I love this site and it's members. Hillarious. we lose the first game of the year and everyone (well mostly) are calling for the coaches head, the captains head and some are even saying we should be relegated out of first grade. FFS kids. Its round 1\. You learn more about yourself in a loss than a win. End the witch Hunt. The players and the coaches have more invested in this club than any of us, whatever membership badge you hold.
Chill.
Chill.
Andyvee
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Wow, it only took 1 game to start a thread about our coach's future. The team dynamics will need a few more weeks to form, and then we can make an accurate assessment on whether his coaching style is working or not. They will definitely improve over the next few weeks.
andrew 474
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we cant hang the coach after 1 game , we have new players , 6 in the game yesterday so he needs time to bring it together playing games not just training them , he will find players weakness and make changes over the next few weeks but to sack him , no let him run his term see where we are then act
avocadoontoast
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@andrew 474 said:
It's not after one game. It's after an entire season, an off season and then the 1st game of the season. What the first game showed is that we are worse than we were at the first game of last season. We are woeful in defense and have no spark in attack.
I think he's run out of chances.
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@Eddie said:
Couldn't agree more with this assessment. I gave him a pass for last year, based on having inerited a poor squad with far too much dead weight. But after a full offseason the signs are not good:
- No sign of defensive improvement at all. Surely it can't be impossible to turn even a weak squad into a defensive unit that's at least sufficiently competent that it doesn't ship seven tries to the bloody Dragons?
- Clearly second best in conditioning/fitness. Clearly the team hasn't trialled enough, or at the right intensity, and that could on its own cost us the next couple of games.
- Discipline still dreadful. We will be the most penalised team in the comp this year and a fair amount of that is on the coaching staff.
- General lack of tactical nous. I actually spotted this in the nines, amazingly enough. We didn't go in with any ideas about how to play the format. There's no direction - no idea about how to play to our strengths and neutralise our weaknesses. Look at Souths: they have amazing forwards and mediocre outside backs (other than Inglis), so they play a style that suits the cattle. We just have… some players. There's no identity - do they still want to play 'Tigers football' or to be a structured team? What the hell was the game plan even meant to be yesterday?
- Persisting with utter nothings like Thompson and Anasta. The latter, in particular, simply has to improve or he should get axed before March is out. I never bought 'he was moved around a lot' as an excuse last season and playing a zero alongside a young half is not acceptable.
- Desperately mediocre signings like Lulia go straight into the team. This is a nothing player we should not have signed and should not be anywhere near first grade.
- Still can't get anything out of Blair, yet still picks him. If Parramatta can dump Sandow to reggies why is Blair guaranteed a game? 45 metres yesterday: pathetic effort.
Look, I know it's one game and blah blah overreaction. But I held back from saying anything in pre-season (I thought a lot of people on here were being wildly over-optimistic about our prospects) because I wanted to see if Potter could get a couple of things right. Specifically: better defence, and a better game plan.
There was no evidence of that yesterday, and that was in a game that had to have been one of the half-dozen targets of matches we could actually win this year. The Dragons won't score 40 points in two consecutive games for most of this season - it cannot be overestimated how much of an embarrassment that performance was.
I'd give Potter a month to show that there might at least be some grounds for hope in terms of the defence. There are two more winnable games in the first four rounds - I'd say a bare minimum is to be 1-4 and not humiliated by Souths or Manly. If we can't manage that then we might as well get rid now, officially or unofficially, and have a decent amount of time to line someone competent for 2015.
tigerbenji
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The word is Potter has 10 rounds & if no improvement, Good bye.
The situation is a fairly simple equation.
Either Potter can't coach or the players are not taking in what Potter and his team are coaching/teaching them….Either way something has to change!.
Look at Farah during the press conferences after the games....he looks disinterested and like he couldn't give a f***...I just get the impression he does not respect Potter... I noticed that last year and picked up on it yesterday.
Either Potter can't coach or the players are not taking in what Potter and his team are coaching/teaching them….Either way something has to change!.
Look at Farah during the press conferences after the games....he looks disinterested and like he couldn't give a f***...I just get the impression he does not respect Potter... I noticed that last year and picked up on it yesterday.
southerntiger
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@Justo said:
Its not the fact we lost, it is that were rubbish. As was the case last year. I find it hilarious you cant see the distinction.
Anyway heres hoping we improve next week.
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hybrid_tiger
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@Justo said:
If the Dragons, who are deemed to have the worst attack in the competition, put nearly 50 points on us (without Dugan) what will other teams do to us?
Regardless of what you think yesterday was alarming for all the wrong reasons. Zero improvement from last year, we simply can't tackle and our discipline is atrocious. Not many reasons to be positive.
@hybrid_tiger said:
Im not suggesting we celebrate the loss. All I am saying is maybe you all need to chill out a bit.
Luckily the forum doesn't run the club (Cos god knows you all seem to know better). If you did we'd have a new board, new coach, new coaching staff and new players every other week. Hillarious.
Will coach Potter fall on his sword?not having seen the game as being OS just reading all the posts and general news things have not gone well to say the least. We'll the coaches fortunes are in his hands I don't believe for a moment he will not go down without a fight,so in that I would expect a very different line up within weeks if things don't turn around quickly.
This team will take time to gel I have said this before,the defensive issues are a worry as with attitude this is coaching no doubt, I have not seen the game but at this stage with a few coming back and a reality check things can look up .
I hope that the coach can work through this as a club another coach gone early will just add to more instability ….. Maybe a few of the star attractions have to be given a reality check as we'll.
Interesting times ahead.
This team will take time to gel I have said this before,the defensive issues are a worry as with attitude this is coaching no doubt, I have not seen the game but at this stage with a few coming back and a reality check things can look up .
I hope that the coach can work through this as a club another coach gone early will just add to more instability ….. Maybe a few of the star attractions have to be given a reality check as we'll.
Interesting times ahead.
@Justo said:
Normally I'd agree but I don't think it's fair in this instance to say that people are basing these views on one game. Many of these problems - poor defence, giving away penalties, bloody Ansasta - have been around for the entirety of Potter's tenure, and all most of the posts I've read here are saying is that by now there should have been signs of progress.
Just as a matter of interest, how long would you give a coach who's putting sides on the park which can't defend before you start thinking that just maybe he can't put together a decent defence?
I can't speak for other posters, but my view is that Potter shouldn't be sacked after round one. However, it is pretty clear that there are several key areas where improvement needs to begin in the next few games: defence, discipline and fitness are the first three. If we get past the Manly game and can't honestly say that this catastrophe against the Dragons was an anomaly then I believe it is time to start thinking about a different direction.
barrytiger
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@Milky said:
Hey Milky can you tell me the winning numbers to next weeks powerball please ?
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