Mitch Brown - Should he stay or should he go?

[Muffstar]

I have no issues with Brown and thought he has been good for the team with all the injury's. However today he looked disinterested to me and his stats show that too.

 

[that_guy]

Brown doesn't set the world on fire (which is why some of you like him, because he is solid), but I don't feel that he has a spot in the starting side, and am not too sure if he has the versatility for a utility spot on the bench. Moltzen is a much better attacking fullback, and his defence will improve (which is why he will stay fullback), lawrence and ayshford have centre wrapped up, and lote and utai are both better wingers than brown. If injuries hit any (like utai today) we could head to a young gun to cover, instead of brown.

I know all the Moltzen haters won't like it, but it's just an opinion

 

[Andrew]

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree then.

Because from what Ive read lately he isnt well liked, mainly due to the fact he cant play fullback….yet!

So how long do you persevere with him 5 games , 10 games a season. Where do you draw the line . Personally he won't learn anything in NSW cup as the standard is no where near NRL standard .

Ill start this again by saying I like Moltzen :slight_smile:

I draw the line with him playing 7 or if Sheens insists on a back on the bench 14.
I'll say this as my opinion because i dont know what he thinks, but to me he doesnt look like
he wants to get into the nitty gritty of playing fullback.
He doesnt intiate hard body contact in defense or attack, lately he stops his runs short of the line….except for the one run yesterday that he didnt and he broke through and made great metres!
And like we all have said his positional play is not good, but that can improve with time and experience, unfortunately i dont think he has the mentality to play last line football and that wont change! IMO

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

MM, i like Brown mate, go back 2 years and read all my support of the guy. At halftime, any coach worth his salt would have moved Brown to fullback and Moltzen to centre.

Now Moltzen has no physical presence, but he at least he reads defence better in the centres than Brown, and Brown is a batter fullback…..........but the coach didnt make the call and it cost us

Mitch should be on the wing or at the back. His positioning is better in defence, he takes the high ball successfully under pressure and runs the ball back hard. I agree he is not a great centre, and the fact that Herr Sheens moved Moltzen to FB instead of leaving him in the centres has more or less sealed Mitch's fate at the Tigers.

 

[happy_tiger]

I agree CB He seems to get caught out in the centres . Maybe because it takes him a tad longer to wind up to top speed . He will be back on the wing now with Tuqiri back and Utai out unfortunately I think . Would prefer either Brown or Ryan at fullback but Sheens won't see it the same way I bet

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

His "attempted tackle" on Gasnier in Gaz's try was Fitzy-like.

Go back & watch. He ends up holding Moltzen's hand for a second or two from memory..

 

[Moh]

He came up unnecessarily when Boyd crabbed across to put Gasnier in a hole before Nightingale's try too.

He's a better winger than he is a centre. And an even better fullback.

 

[that_guy]

Brown doesn't have a spot in our full strength starting backline. I'm not saying he is a bad player, I just believe we have better options. People are basing all Mitch Brown positives on his form at fullback at the end of last year. Even though he provided very little in attack. He did play well, but this year so far when we have struggled, Brown has shown us nothing of the sort when given the chance in any position. Imo it is very easy to look good in a winning team. When you look at the dragons: morris (just speed), hornby (pretty much a lock), prior, young, green are all seen as good player (because they are winning), but I wouldn't take any of these guys if they paid us to take em

 

[happy_tiger]

Brown doesn't have a spot in our full strength starting backline. I'm not saying he is a bad player, I just believe we have better options. People are basing all Mitch Brown positives on his form at fullback at the end of last year. Even though he provided very little in attack. He did play well, but this year so far when we have struggled, Brown has shown us nothing of the sort when given the chance in any position. Imo it is very easy to look good in a winning team. When you look at the dragons: morris (just speed), hornby (pretty much a lock), prior, young, green are all seen as good player (because they are winning), but I wouldn't take any of these guys if they paid us to take em

Would take Hornby in a heartbeat and put him back at fullback Before you could say "I love Moltzen "

 

[Moh]

I think Brown has shown enough on the wing to get in over Utai at full strength, with Lote being the other winger. Can't remember the last time we had a back who actually contested a high ball in defense. He has a bit of pace about him and can finish well.

Like that_guy said, the form of a lot of players ATM is because of the way the team is going.

 

[cktiger]

Brown is a good player but not a centre. He has shown he is a confident and safe fullback.
Guess what? All of a sudden we needed a fullback on Sunday!
Sheens continues to play guys out of position and the team suffers.
He seems to now want to "do a Moltzen" on Brown while still "doing a Moltzen " on Moltzen. :bash

 

[Deano1]

His "attempted tackle" on Gasnier in Gaz's try was Fitzy-like.

Go back & watch. He ends up holding Moltzen's hand for a second or two from memory..

Yeah I saw that too CG. Although I thought it was Lui's. Either way it was an unbelievably poor attempt, which left our two weakest defenders, Lui and Moltz to try and push Gasnier over the sideline…..the result speaks for itself. :deadhorse:

 

[that_guy]

Brown doesn't have a spot in our full strength starting backline. I'm not saying he is a bad player, I just believe we have better options. People are basing all Mitch Brown positives on his form at fullback at the end of last year. Even though he provided very little in attack. He did play well, but this year so far when we have struggled, Brown has shown us nothing of the sort when given the chance in any position. Imo it is very easy to look good in a winning team. When you look at the dragons: morris (just speed), hornby (pretty much a lock), prior, young, green are all seen as good player (because they are winning), but I wouldn't take any of these guys if they paid us to take em

Would take Hornby in a heartbeat and put him back at fullback Before you could say "I love Moltzen "

Really? you would take Hornby at Fullback. Wouldn't that be criticised, obtaining an "older" player lacking speed and putting him at fullback. He is a safe player, but the strongest part of his game is his defence (it would be difficult making 25 tackles a game at FB). But that is your opinion, and if you would rather have an older, slower, defensive player with not much time left, rather than persisting with a guy who might given the right chance have a real future at the tigers as a real attacking weapon :wtf .

Each to their own

 

[happy_tiger]

Brown doesn't have a spot in our full strength starting backline. I'm not saying he is a bad player, I just believe we have better options. People are basing all Mitch Brown positives on his form at fullback at the end of last year. Even though he provided very little in attack. He did play well, but this year so far when we have struggled, Brown has shown us nothing of the sort when given the chance in any position. Imo it is very easy to look good in a winning team. When you look at the dragons: morris (just speed), hornby (pretty much a lock), prior, young, green are all seen as good player (because they are winning), but I wouldn't take any of these guys if they paid us to take em

Would take Hornby in a heartbeat and put him back at fullback Before you could say "I love Moltzen "

Really? you would take Hornby at Fullback. Wouldn't that be criticised, obtaining an "older" player lacking speed and putting him at fullback. He is a safe player, but the strongest part of his game is his defence (it would be difficult making 25 tackles a game at FB). But that is your opinion, and if you would rather have an older, slower, defensive player with not much time left, rather than persisting with a guy who might given the right chance have a real future at the tigers as a real attacking weapon :wtf .

Each to their own

Seeing as you are the expert at playing fullback what do you rate as the most important things about being a fullback

 

[that_guy]

Brown doesn't have a spot in our full strength starting backline. I'm not saying he is a bad player, I just believe we have better options. People are basing all Mitch Brown positives on his form at fullback at the end of last year. Even though he provided very little in attack. He did play well, but this year so far when we have struggled, Brown has shown us nothing of the sort when given the chance in any position. Imo it is very easy to look good in a winning team. When you look at the dragons: morris (just speed), hornby (pretty much a lock), prior, young, green are all seen as good player (because they are winning), but I wouldn't take any of these guys if they paid us to take em

Would take Hornby in a heartbeat and put him back at fullback Before you could say "I love Moltzen "

Really? you would take Hornby at Fullback. Wouldn't that be criticised, obtaining an "older" player lacking speed and putting him at fullback. He is a safe player, but the strongest part of his game is his defence (it would be difficult making 25 tackles a game at FB). But that is your opinion, and if you would rather have an older, slower, defensive player with not much time left, rather than persisting with a guy who might given the right chance have a real future at the tigers as a real attacking weapon :wtf .

Each to their own

Seeing as you are the expert at playing fullback what do you rate as the most important things about being a fullback

I didn't say that I was an expert at playing fullback. All I did was express a glimmer of positivity about the player who is seen by Sheens as the future fullback. What is the point of following the forum and watching the games, if you are just going to bag the bloke. You obviously have a personal vendetta against Moltzen, or you have a secret ambition to play fullback for the Wests Tigers.

Imo, I would rather have a fullback who is capable of attack and breaking apart defences, than a fullback who will do nothing but take bombs all day (Patten, Brent Crisp). When you think about it, Brett Hodgson (because of his size) had terrible defence, and he survived in the NRL. So if we stick with the bloke, he will come through.

 

[happy_tiger]

Now comparing Hodgo to Moltzen That will do me :roll

 

[tiger05]

You obviously have a personal vendetta against Moltzen, or you have a secret ambition to play fullback for the Wests Tigers.

Sounds like 90% of the posters on here. He has a good game and they make up a whole lot of crapola to justify their opinions.

Guys - you aren't good enough to play fullback in first grade.

 

[that_guy]

Now comparing Hodgo to Moltzen That will do me :roll

I wasn't comparing the overall games of the two (seeing that Hogdo had played rep footy and was a mature player at tigers), I was just pointing out the fact that his defence wasn't anything to get excited about. And that kind of ruins your whole point about fullback being entirely defensive.

Man if you were coach you would probably:
1) play gibbs at fullback to fulfil the defensive requirements
2) sign yourself up to satisfy your secret covert ambitions to make the wests tigers team at FB

 

[happy_tiger]

Now comparing Hodgo to Moltzen That will do me :roll

I wasn't comparing the overall games of the two (seeing that Hogdo had played rep footy and was a mature player at tigers), I was just pointing out the fact that his defence wasn't anything to get excited about. And that kind of ruins your whole point about [automatically edited] being entirely defensive.

Man if you were coach you would probably:
1) play gibbs at [automatically edited] to fulfil the defensive requirements
2) sign yourself up to satisfy your secret covert ambitions to make the wests tigers team at FB

When Gibbs is fully fit he is the catalyst for our defensive line speed so yes I would play him . Difference beteween Hodgo and Moltzen is about 15kg and about 6 inches in height and the fact the when Hodgo ran out you knew he was going to lay his life on the line for the Tigers Jersey . Its funny Hodgo was classed as one of the bravest people (pound 4 pound ) to play in the NRL . Actually you would of liked me as fullback cause I had a bit of toe in my day (back when the dinosaurs ruled the earth)

 

[hybrid_tiger]

I wasn't comparing the overall games of the two (seeing that Hogdo had played rep footy and was a mature player at tigers), I was just pointing out the fact that his defence wasn't anything to get excited about. And that kind of ruins your whole point about [automatically edited] being entirely defensive.

I can't believe you are mentioning Hodgson when discussing Moltzen.

Brett Hodgson consistently put his body on the line despite weighing 70 kilos wringing wet. He was also safe as houses at the back, would catch bombs all day, attacked the football, and brought down many players three times his size.

Moltzen does NONE of these things which is why he is a terrible fullback. How hard is this to understand?