MOLTZEN INJURED

@Centaur said:
@Kul said:
@Demps said:
OMG… Kid's strugglin'.
Wish him a speedy recovery,
Hope to see him back on the field (Imo, not in the #7 as Lui has that on lock) as soon as poss.
Shocking news.

after one good game he has it locked in? really?
hello! Moltz smashes him in terms of line breaks and try assists, not to mention his fantastic support play even from halfback.
Lui is a passenger compared to molt7

A passenger? A tad harsh. Molzten has barely played any footy in the last twelve months, let alone played halfback, yet you want to roll out the red carpet for him to take the position over Lui? He has just as much to prove as Lui does, if not more.

Let us be a little more objective here…

Moltzen 'smashes' Lui in terms of linebreaks because as you mentioned, he is a support player. Lui is not a support player - so I would expect to see Molzten make more linebreaks.

As for try assists - Molzten has twice as many try assists - not surprising considering he has played twice as many games as Lui. Let us not forget that Lui did not seem to have much freedom in the first half of the year, merely playing second string to what Farah and Marshall wanted to do, this did not give him much of an opportunity. The back half of the year Lui had developed confidence, was taking more control and was finally showing what he is capable of.

To be completely honest, I can never remember being 'wowed' by a game Molzten played in the halves. The only impressive things he seemed to be doing was making linebreaks, off believe it or, support play. Now I want my halfback to do more than that. I want organisation, I want vision, I want people being put in holes - can you honestly say Molzten has proven to be better than Lui at these things? As if.

Some of the plays Lui was developing with Ellis in 2010 for instance was class.

Lui's kicking game is far superior, hopefully he will get to demonstrate this in 2011 with Marshall letting Lui kick the ball more, especially from inside our own half.

One good game from Lui? You have got to be kidding. He spent most of the year in the 7, and steadily developed as the year progressed. He played many good games, especially in the finals series. I love a halfback that can handle the pressure!

I believe Lui is fully entitled to first stab at the number 7, regardless of whether Molzten is injured or not. He has shown more promise than Molzten has in that particular position. Molzten can make his linebreaks from support play from any other position on the field.

Moltzen is no doubt a class player - but I don't see him as our number 7.

I agree with you Centaur. I don't doubt Moltzens class either, he truly is an impressive player, but to suggest Lui isn't fit to lace his boots is a long stretch. Unfortunately Moltzen was cut down by injury but at the same time Lui held things together in the halves with Benji and was starting to forge himself as a organising half.

It is an enviable situation to have considering two years ago we couldn't field a decent halfback to save ourselves. Fortunately for Moltzen, Lui is still developing also and is quite injury prone himself, so it is not as if Moltzen will be shut out of the club. He will get his chance. But to suggest that a 20 year old who has continuously improved game on game and proved to be a handful for last years premiers in a qualifying final is a passenger is unfair.
 
@tiga4eva said:
So WAS Benji, were 12/12 when Moltz is half-back. Lets hope its just a minor setback.

7\. Tim Moltzen :blah till im :rant over
 
interesting point you make about moltzen having great support work…. kinda reminds me of a great _**fullback**_ currently playing our game.... cough cough SLATER where Lui looks like a true halfback.

Now if only Mckinnon will **GROW A FRICKIN PAIR** this year and run some slashing support lines outside/inside of marshall, lui and farah, then I believe we won't lose any momentum until moltzen comes back.

....However Moltzen can tackle....

damn.... this does suck... :frowning:
 
@Spartan117 said:
I love being a tiger for the roller coaster ride…

She'll be right in Oct...

Its brilliant isn't it?

Love the convos at work on a monday about the footy on the weekend. No one at my workplace can name a player in the tigers team beyond marshall, tuiqiri and farah…. it's classic.

Particularly on a monday after when the tigers beat workmates team x/y/z where obscure player a/b/c comes into the side, and steps up.
 
A passenger? A tad harsh. Molzten has barely played any footy in the last twelve months, let alone played halfback, yet you want to roll out the red carpet for him to take the position over Lui? He has just as much to prove as Lui does, if not more.
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Let us be a little more objective here…
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Moltzen 'smashes' Lui in terms of linebreaks because as you mentioned, he is a support player. Lui is not a support player - so I would expect to see Molzten make more linebreaks.
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As for try assists - Molzten has twice as many try assists - not surprising considering he has played twice as many games as Lui. Let us not forget that Lui did not seem to have much freedom in the first half of the year, merely playing second string to what Farah and Marshall wanted to do, this did not give him much of an opportunity. The back half of the year Lui had developed confidence, was taking more control and was finally showing what he is capable of.
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To be completely honest, I can never remember being 'wowed' by a game Molzten played in the halves. The only impressive things he seemed to be doing was making linebreaks, off believe it or, support play. Now I want my halfback to do more than that. I want organisation, I want vision, I want people being put in holes - can you honestly say Molzten has proven to be better than Lui at these things? As if.
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Some of the plays Lui was developing with Ellis in 2010 for instance was class.
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Lui's kicking game is far superior, hopefully he will get to demonstrate this in 2011 with Marshall letting Lui kick the ball more, especially from inside our own half.
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One good game from Lui? You have got to be kidding. He spent most of the year in the 7, and steadily developed as the year progressed. He played many good games, especially in the finals series. I love a halfback that can handle the pressure!
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I believe Lui is fully entitled to first stab at the number 7, regardless of whether Molzten is injured or not. He has shown more promise than Molzten has in that particular position. Molzten can make his linebreaks from support play from any other position on the field.
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Molzten is no doubt a class player - but I don't see him as our number 7.

That is a great post, 100% correct.

There is a place for Moltzen in the team but in my opinion Lui deserves and was going to get the first shot at 7.

I don't think Moltzen is a fullback either (go back and watch him under the highball!), utility is probably where he could be most damaging and useful.
 
Im not expecting to see Moltz hit any kind of form until the back end of the season, or even 2012 before he gets firing.

anything sooner will be a huge nonus. Some top players have taken a while to come good after a reconstruction….....Lockyer and Hodges took over a year and Johns was really struggling when he first came back.

This ankle injury will be a setback, but i dont think it will change things too much.
 
@helmesy said:
A passenger? A tad harsh. Molzten has barely played any footy in the last twelve months, let alone played halfback, yet you want to roll out the red carpet for him to take the position over Lui? He has just as much to prove as Lui does, if not more.
>
Let us be a little more objective here…
>
Moltzen 'smashes' Lui in terms of linebreaks because as you mentioned, he is a support player. Lui is not a support player - so I would expect to see Molzten make more linebreaks.
>
As for try assists - Molzten has twice as many try assists - not surprising considering he has played twice as many games as Lui. Let us not forget that Lui did not seem to have much freedom in the first half of the year, merely playing second string to what Farah and Marshall wanted to do, this did not give him much of an opportunity. The back half of the year Lui had developed confidence, was taking more control and was finally showing what he is capable of.
>
To be completely honest, I can never remember being 'wowed' by a game Molzten played in the halves. The only impressive things he seemed to be doing was making linebreaks, off believe it or, support play. Now I want my halfback to do more than that. I want organisation, I want vision, I want people being put in holes - can you honestly say Molzten has proven to be better than Lui at these things? As if.
>
Some of the plays Lui was developing with Ellis in 2010 for instance was class.
>
Lui's kicking game is far superior, hopefully he will get to demonstrate this in 2011 with Marshall letting Lui kick the ball more, especially from inside our own half.
>
One good game from Lui? You have got to be kidding. He spent most of the year in the 7, and steadily developed as the year progressed. He played many good games, especially in the finals series. I love a halfback that can handle the pressure!
>
I believe Lui is fully entitled to first stab at the number 7, regardless of whether Molzten is injured or not. He has shown more promise than Molzten has in that particular position. Molzten can make his linebreaks from support play from any other position on the field.
>
Molzten is no doubt a class player - but I don't see him as our number 7.

That is a great post, 100% correct.

There is a place for Moltzen in the team but in my opinion Lui deserves and was going to get the first shot at 7.

I don't think Moltzen is a fullback either (go back and watch him under the highball!), utility is probably where he could be most damaging and useful.

I think he could be a cracking center too, he has vision to know when to push a pass and someone with a bit of speed and a step on our right flank could really make us dangerous on both sides of the field.

I noticed during the year that we had quite a few line breaks without anyone being able to keep up in support. If Benji made a left side break, lote was there, but god help him if he was on the right. He always had to apply the breaks.

If I were Sheensy, and thank god I'm not, I would have Moltz take Blakes spot and push Blake to the wing. Blakes passing game is non-existent, but he is a bit of a unit to barge down the line, so I think those two could be a great right paring to rival our Left flank.
 
@fainty said:
He was walking around fine this morning.

Lets hope your right, Moltzen needs all the preseason game time he can get. If in fact he was injured and did not get back onto the field to round 2, he could struggle to make it back into FG for a month or two. Anyway like your news fainty,hope your on the money
 
@supercoach said:
@fainty said:
He was walking around fine this morning.

Lets hope your right, Moltzen needs all the preseason game time he can get. If in fact he was injured and did not get back onto the field to round 2, he could struggle to make it back into FG for a month or two. Anyway like your news fainty,hope your on the money

Yeah agreed.
 
my friend said he saw lui training in the halves….
... i hope this doesnt mean that moltz is injured....
but yeah all we can do is pray, and hope that it isnt officially confirmed.
 
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