Moltzen - Run straight

[AndTheKungFoSing]

Moltzen's positioning is pretty impressive these days, he is always there to cover line breaks and kicks.
Reads the attack well. Nice.

No really seeing this at all Tig_pmz… sorry.

RE: Reading the attack - Doesn't support anyone else but Benji... if this were true, he'd have made 150+ last night if he ran off a few other blokes. Also, that no-try to ryan in the first 5-10mins... he butchered that! Had a so many players that side, all he had to do was pass it, instead he turned and did god knows what...

RE: Positioning - I felt like fly kicking my old mans TV when the first 2 kicks from the dragons seriously showed how out of position he is 99% of the time at FB.

Anyway...

That is all

 

[tig_prmz]

Thanks for at least justifying why you disagree…

With Mckinnon, every team found ground when kicking, remember the Dogs game.
Against Manly, Foran and DCE could not find grass much. Even though, they did find it sometimes.

When talking about "reading the attack" I meant reads the attack of the team well.
He was always there in cover defence, and defused a lot of short kicks.
He also positioned himself well for one try saving tackle, and another one where instead of going for the ball, he went for the man, I admit it was a risk and luckily he got away with it.
BUT... he was there... Mckinnon would still be 5 metres from there.
I'm just talking about his positioning and that's the positive I found in his game.
You disagree, fine with me, your opinion.

 

[tig_prmz]

aarghhh
EDIT: When talking about "reading the attack" I meant reads the attack of the **OTHER** team well.

 

[alex]

Moltzen and Mckinnon's support play can't even be compared. They're poles apart. Mckinnon is always sniffing around the ruck and numerous times you see him run past a player standing in a tackle looking for the offload.

Moltzen's positional play isn't as good as you think it is. Look at the first kick Foran put in. Very well placed close to our goal line and Utai was forced to run back to cover it. Moltzen was miles away.

Not too long after there was another short kick put over where Moltzen and Fulton collided as they both dived for it. Fulton was chasing that ball faster than Moltzen was and he was lucky he got there before any Manly players did.

I'm really getting concerned with the amount of heart Moltzen is putting in… Yes, he may feel betrayed that he's leaving the club, but compare him with Bryce Gibbs who still gives 110% each game.

 

[tig_prmz]

Moltzen and Mckinnon's support play can't even be compared. They're poles apart. Mckinnon is always sniffing around the ruck and numerous times you see him run past a player standing in a tackle looking for the offload.

Moltzen's positional play isn't as good as you think it is. Look at the first kick Foran put in. **Very well placed close to our goal line** and Utai was forced to run back to cover it. Moltzen was miles away.

Not too long after there was another short kick put over where Moltzen and Fulton collided as they both dived for it. Fulton was chasing that ball faster than Moltzen was and he was lucky he got there before any Manly players did.

I'm really getting concerned with the amount of heart Moltzen is putting in… Yes, he may feel betrayed that he's leaving the club, but compare him with Bryce Gibbs who still gives 110% each game.

Utai is a winger, he should cover it and so should Moltzen.
IDK what specific one you're referring to and I CBF checking.
I'm just saying he is THERE. he is there where the ball is despite his lack of enthusiasm in getting there.
and also, by positional play, in no way did i mean support play. sorry if you got the wrong impression.

 

[tig_prmz]

Also, please give me a break,
I know he is a crap fullback who doesn't even give 50% of what he should.
I pointed out just ONE, just ONE BLOODY good thing that I saw and I'm getting this reaction.
I was focusing on the positives.
I am not a Moltzen fan so to speak. He still plays for the Tigers regardless of how crap he is.
If you guys think, he has no attributes whatsoever of a fullback, you are deadset kidding me.
His positional play is not GREAT, but it's better than what we have seen in the past.
Cut me some slack **POST EDITED BY ADMIN**

 

[hybrid_tiger]

If you guys think, he has no attributes whatsoever of a fullback

He has NO attributes of a fullback, except speed. None whatsoever.

Unfortunately we hardly ever get to see his speed as he jogs sideways on kick returns before palming it off to a winger to take the hit up. And he only ever supports Marshall, nobody else.

Find me a worse fullback in the NRL?

 

[851]

If you guys think, he has no attributes whatsoever of a fullback

He has NO attributes of a fullback, except speed. None whatsoever.

Unfortunately we hardly ever get to see his speed as he jogs sideways on kick returns before palming it off to a winger to take the hit up. And he only ever supports Marshall, nobody else.

Find me a worse fullback in the NRL?

There isn't one,probably a 10 better ones in reggies as well,how can Sheens not see this. :angry:

 

[happy_tiger]

I understand Moltzen doesn't want to cop big hits so all he has to do is step off either foot when he gets within a few metres of the defence and run at a gap .
Simple .
There is no reason he can't run the ball up with better intensity .
He will actually find teams can't pick him up and drive him backwards if he does this as well due to his momentum .
He will probably find he gets better and faster play the balls which will get our sets off to better starts . They have to be coaching him to do this don't they ?? Especially with Wade Mac and Jumper Leeds able to give advice .

 

[tig_prmz]

HIS POSITIONING !!
He is not the best in the comp
and he might even be the worst. It's not for me to decide.
But I'm saying he always had the kicks covered, short kicks, long kicks,
although there were some exceptions.
he made one try saving tackle, he is a good one on one defender.
those were the positives i saw and because he still plays for the tigers, i thought i would post em up.
But geeze people make it seem like it's illegal to say good things about him?
He is one of the worst under the high ball, doesn't attack the ball, has zero support play, I know all that,
and people have been pointing it out the whole year.
but i saw ONE BLOODY POSITIVE THING.
except kaiser no one has even talked about it, just vented on about how he plays with no heart bla bla

 

[happy_tiger]

HIS POSITIONING !!
He is not the best in the comp
and he might even be the worst. It's not for me to decide.
But I'm saying he always had the kicks covered, short kicks, long kicks,
although there were some exceptions.
he made one try saving tackle, he is a good one on one defender.
those were the positives i saw and because he still plays for the tigers, i thought i would post em up.
But geeze people make it seem like it's illegal to say good things about him?
He is one of the worst under the high ball, doesn't attack the ball, has zero support play, I know all that,
and people have been pointing it out the whole year.
but i saw ONE BLOODY POSITIVE THING.
except kaiser no one has even talked about it, just vented on about how he plays with no heart bla bla

Wouldn't you prefer any other fullback that any other team in the NRL has or one of the 3-4 options we have that are better than him at the moment

 

[tig_prmz]

There are many more I would prefer over him,
but I don't think Sheens does.
That man has years of experience with him,
but often learns squats from it,
he has more knowledge than me or you,
he obviously sees something in Moltzen and I was trying to put one argument forward.
In all my team prediction I have always said 1\. Brown and not 1\. Moltzen.
Even before last year, I have always said 14\. Moltzen as I reckon in THIS team, it is his best position.

 

[underdog]

No really seeing this at all Tig_pmz… sorry.

RE: Reading the attack - **Doesn't support anyone else but Benji**... if this were true, he'd have made 150+ last night if he ran off a few other blokes. Also, that no-try to ryan in the first 5-10mins... he butchered that! Had a so many players that side, all he had to do was pass it, instead he turned and did god knows what...

RE: Positioning - I felt like fly kicking my old mans TV when the first 2 kicks from the dragons seriously showed how out of position he is 99% of the time at FB.

Anyway...

That is all

This.

**1000% this**.

He is always running and probing off his buddy Benji, but never have I seen him do it off his own back and follow the forwards. EVER. It's always trailing Marshall.

Mckinnon backs up our pack very well, and his best games have been when he has taken an offload from Ellis, Heighno, Galloway, etc. Now Mckinnon generally hasn't got the speed to finish off the movement, however Molzen would.

IMO, Mitch Brown should be taking notes and watching tapes of Mckinnons best games, (not only form us, but at the warriors and at the eels) but something tells me he won't be our fullback either next year.

Also his knack of butchering tries by not passing and going himself - he is starting to remind me of Willie Tonga - except without the strength and power that Tonga has…

 

[JET]

Give the kid a break! I agree his form this season hasn't been good and he doesn't deserve a first grade spot. He is definitely not a full back.
I also believe that some one who has ability does not lose their talents in one season. Lui is in the same boat!
These players have been thrown in at the deep end and are expected to play like seasoned first graders.
Sheens in my opinion is to blame for that, he doesn't seem to be able to bring the young talent through and develop them to bring out their best. You only have to see the talent running around in the two State Cup Sides to know that there are players there that are capable of better things..
I would like to see both these players with the likes of Craig Bellamy, Wayne Bennett or Des Hasler, I am positive they have the goods to make it!

 

[Joel Helmes]

Sheens in my opinion is to blame for that, he doesn't seem to be able to bring the young talent through and develop them to bring out their best.

Hmm sometimes he does, you could argue that he is doing the right thing by using Miller infrequently and many other coaches probably would have thrown Sironen in by now (especially after we lost three in a row).

He was good with the development of Marshall, Farah, Fulton etc and guys like Greg Alexander always say that he helped them get established.

The thing with Moltzen is that he is being played out of position, if he plays 25 games in the red and white jersey at fullback back next year I will be stunned.