Moltzen staying at Concord

**Dragons withdraw attempt to register Moltzen**
NRL.com Thu, Nov 03, 2011 - 3:48 PM

The NRL has ended investigations into a contract dispute involving St George Illawarra, Wests Tigers and Tim Moltzen after the Dragons today announced they would not seek to register the contract Tim Moltzen and his manager had signed for the 2012 season.

The investigations were initiated when St George Illawarra referred the matter to the NRL Salary Cap Auditor, Mr Ian Schubert, following the refusal of Wests Tigers to grant Mr Moltzen a release from the final year of his contract.

After interviewing representatives of both clubs, the NRL Salary Cap Auditor was satisfied that the Dragons acted in good faith during negotiations to secure Mr Moltzen for the 2012 season.

While Tim Moltzen his agent and St George Illawarra were of the view that a release would be granted, this was not secured in writing by the agent before the contract was finalised as required under the NRL rules.

The effect of the Dragons decision not to pursue the registration is that the existing contract with the Wests Tigers remains the only registered contract involving the player and that he therefore remains contracted to that club.

On the basis of information supplied by the Dragons and the Wests Tigers, the NRL believes it appropriate the Agent Accreditation Committee review the role of the agent in not securing a written release from the Wests Tigers prior to entering into a new contract, as required.

NRL Chief Executive, Mr David Gallop, said today that he respected St George Illawarra’s decision, adding that the issue underlined the importance of all parties following the NRL rules.

“Having acted in good faith there is no doubt the Dragons have sought to avoid a difficult situation by withdrawing their registration of the contract.

“It is certainly the case that the NRL has the power to make an adjudication where disputes arise. Clearly that is no longer required in the current circumstance.

“The dispute in this case should highlight that contracts are binding legal documents which cannot be entered into lightly by any party.

“It is also needs to be noted that the NRL rules contain a number of procedures which protect clubs and players alike and this is a stark reminder of the importance of following those procedures.”

http://www.nrl.com/dragons-withdraw-attempt-to-register-moltzen/tabid/10874/newsid/65386/default.aspx
 
We Should All be happy we have a good young player who really wants to play for us when he could have gone somewhere else for more money.

Im Happy.
 
@Tiger Watto said:
**Dragons withdraw attempt to register Moltzen**
NRL.com Thu, Nov 03, 2011 - 3:48 PM

<snip>After interviewing representatives of both clubs, the NRL Salary Cap Auditor was satisfied that the Dragons acted in good faith during negotiations to secure Mr Moltzen for the 2012 season.

While Tim Moltzen his agent and St George Illawarra were of the view that a release would be granted, this was not secured in writing by the agent before the contract was finalised as required under the NRL rules.

The effect of the Dragons decision not to pursue the registration is that the existing contract with the Wests Tigers remains the only registered contract involving the player and that he therefore remains contracted to that club.

On the basis of information supplied by the Dragons and the Wests Tigers, **the NRL believes it appropriate the Agent Accreditation Committee review the role of the agent in not securing a written release from the Wests Tigers prior to entering into a new contract, as required**.</snip>

This is how I read it.

Saints get their "Out", Tigers Did nothing Illegal or immoral and the blame is heading the way of the Agent..
 
@Spartan117 said:
@Tiger Watto said:
**Dragons withdraw attempt to register Moltzen**
NRL.com Thu, Nov 03, 2011 - 3:48 PM

<snip>After interviewing representatives of both clubs, the NRL Salary Cap Auditor was satisfied that the Dragons acted in good faith during negotiations to secure Mr Moltzen for the 2012 season.

While Tim Moltzen his agent and St George Illawarra were of the view that a release would be granted, this was not secured in writing by the agent before the contract was finalised as required under the NRL rules.

The effect of the Dragons decision not to pursue the registration is that the existing contract with the Wests Tigers remains the only registered contract involving the player and that he therefore remains contracted to that club.

On the basis of information supplied by the Dragons and the Wests Tigers, **the NRL believes it appropriate the Agent Accreditation Committee review the role of the agent in not securing a written release from the Wests Tigers prior to entering into a new contract, as required**.</snip>

This is how I read it.

Saints get their "Out", Tigers Did nothing Illegal or immoral and the blame is heading the way of the Agent..

yeah same, that's where I think most of the blame lies for all of this, yes the Saints did something stupid by announcing this signing before getting a release, but in the end it's Tauber that has stuffed up.
 
St George acted in good faith??????
How amateurish of Gallop & the NRL to absolve the Dragqueens Management "of all blame" in this fiasco!!!
Contract Law demands all paperwork to be done correctly & legally binding before a contract is legal!!!!
Obviously Doust is an amateur when it comes to contract law as he announced Moltzen's signing to the world before he had all the legally binding paperwork!!!!!
"What a bunch of Clowns"!!!!!
So the total blame rests with Taudry Tauber"!!!!!! HA! HA !HA!
 
@Spartan117 said:
In addition Guys.

Scroll up and notice the decidedly different tones of the SMH Vs DT articles.

The DT is openly anti Wests Tigers as we all know (Benji writes for SMH)

I know, how bad is the DT with their continual use of "an insider said" or "sources close to the player said". That sort of amateur journalism is the reason I never buy that birdcage lining.
 
@Centaur said:
As much as I love the Tigers and hate the Dragons - I just can't see how people can solely lay blame on the Dragons for all of this.

All they did was sign a player who had been given permission to look elsewhere and alledgey announced it before the Tigers had signed the release (which I maintain was simply a formality).

I agree,if the shoe was on the other foot and we had signed Kyle Stanley for instance,would people still look at it this way.
 
So, Moltzen faked a shoulder injury, and BS'd on twitter about going through shoulder surgery, to avoid getting out of the Saints contract? surely that can't be true. If it is then my opinion of him has lowered even more. He comes across as a classless guy who could care less about his rep as long as he gets his own way
 
@wests4ever said:
St George acted in good faith??????
How amateurish of Gallop & the NRL to absolve the Dragqueens Management "of all blame" in this fiasco!!!
Contract Law demands all paperwork to be done correctly & legally binding before a contract is legal!!!!
Obviously Doust is an amateur when it comes to contract law as he announced Moltzen's signing to the world before he had all the legally binding paperwork!!!!!
"What a bunch of Clowns"!!!!!
So the total blame rests with Taudry Tauber"!!!!!! HA! HA !HA!

The basis of a contract is offer and acceptance. There is no requirement, in either legislation or at common law, that a contract need be in writing.

Acceptance may be subject to the fulfillment of specific conditions. If those conditions are not met, acceptance may not occur and no contract therefore exists (Masters v Cameron, 1954)

I have no idea how the Moltzen thing played out, but frankly I don't care. He's playing with the Tigers next year and thats all that matters. The number of posts in this matter are ridiculous
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
He comes across as a classless guy who could care less about his rep as long as he gets his own way

Based on what ? The BS you read in newspapers and forums ?

Unless you know him personally you have no basis for that kind of comment.

classless guy

I could say the same about half the posters on this forum just based on ther attitude, doesn't make it right though.
 
@Citizen Tiger said:
@wests4ever said:
St George acted in good faith??????
How amateurish of Gallop & the NRL to absolve the Dragqueens Management "of all blame" in this fiasco!!!
Contract Law demands all paperwork to be done correctly & legally binding before a contract is legal!!!!
Obviously Doust is an amateur when it comes to contract law as he announced Moltzen's signing to the world before he had all the legally binding paperwork!!!!!
"What a bunch of Clowns"!!!!!
So the total blame rests with Taudry Tauber"!!!!!! HA! HA !HA!

**The basis of a contract is offer and acceptance. There is no requirement, in either legislation or at common law, that a contract need be in writing.**

Acceptance may be subject to the fulfillment of specific conditions. If those conditions are not met, acceptance may not occur and no contract therefore exists (Masters v Cameron, 1954)

I have no idea how the Moltzen thing played out, but frankly I don't care. He's playing with the Tigers next year and thats all that matters. The number of posts in this matter are ridiculous

I think that opens a massive can of worms - too much "he said/she said" then comes into it.

If something is in writing and signed, then it should be iron clad - from the relevant parties. The relevant parties in this case are the Dragons and the Tigers. - Moltzen and his manager are irrelevant in this dealing when you really break it down.

Notwithstanding,The **_RELEVANT_** parties must all be in agreement anyways - relevant being the Dragons and the Tigers.

No such agreement between **the clubs** was made, since Moltzen was still under WT contract unit the end of 2012.
 
@Citizen Tiger said:
The number of posts in this matter are ridiculous

Collectively with al the time spent by everyone across all forums etc we could have probably solved world poverty, greenhouse effect or many other world issues.
 
Has any thought that maybe the Saints pulled out for some other reason IE they will be seen in a bad light or in the wrong with there own actions during the whole fiasco
 
@Nix said:
@Citizen Tiger said:
The number of posts in this matter are ridiculous

Collectively with al the time spent by everyone across all forums etc we could have probably solved world poverty, greenhouse effect or many other world issues.

If all these issues were so easy to solve don't you think they would be solved already

The people making these posts care about our side and can see we are very close with the right playing roster to securing a second premiership

By all means if you wish to try and single handedly change the world good luck
 
@happy tiger said:
@Nix said:
@Citizen Tiger said:
The number of posts in this matter are ridiculous

Collectively with al the time spent by everyone across all forums etc we could have probably solved world poverty, greenhouse effect or many other world issues.

If all these issues were so easy to solve don't you think they would be solved already

The people making these posts care about our side and can see we are very close with the right playing roster to securing a second premiership

By all means if you wish to try and single handedly change the world good luck

Chillax, I was taking the piss.

But seriously there has been a tonne of time across this, other forums and the newspapers which could have been invested in many a better way.

Not to mention the unnecessary stress on Tim and his family.

@happy tiger said:
By all means if you wish to try and single handedly change the world good luck

One person has to take the first step….
 
Yes I know and a waterfall starts with one drop
This will happen in the off season Everyone is already toey for a new football season …
 

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