Moltzen staying at Concord

Who gives a flying what the dragons think. He is contracted to us and that's where he'll be next year. St. Yawns arrogance has come back to bite them on the bum and it's oh so funny.
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@Blackandwhite said:
@helmesy said:
And what happens regarding Tim's future beyond 2012?

I strongly doubt any other club will be rushing to try and sign him up for 2013 after what has gone on.

Steve Turner didn't struggle and his actions were arguably worse. Just need a year or two and it won't matter.
 
It Wont matter in a few weeks. Only people it'll bother is people who want to dredge the stuff up.
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@watersider said:
It is nice that some of you are gloating about all this and criticising Doust. But really it is a messy situation and I don't really think that St George can be blamed for the way they acted and their bitterness now. While there was no official release, the Tigers were clearly willing to let Moltzen go. None of the comments after the signing showed any sort of doubt about the validity of the contract.

It is also clear that the club had a change of heart and were able to change their mind because of the sloppy work by the Dragons and Moltzen's managers in not receiving written confirmation of Moltzen's release.

I am glad the Tigers have chosen this course of action and have changed their opinion even if the decision is morally questionable. I also don't think Moltzen is to blame and I'm glad we have a player so keen to be at the club. But the club looks bad at the moment and I think we just have to wear that. I don't think it is anything to gloat about though.

Totally agree. To my mind the order of blame goes - in descending order - Tigers (incompetent), Moltzen (unprofessional), Dragons (immature). Which, oddly enough, is precisely the same order in which I could give a monkeys about the protagonists. The club and Moltzen look bad, though the club's probably getting away a little lightly compared to the vitriol being heaped on Moltzen (as is always the way with these things). The Dragons are the wronged party, but even if I could bring myself to really care about that they've basically ended any chance of getting sympathy here by acting like big sooky kids.

Bottom line, do I think we're better in 2012 because of this? Yes. Is the whole situation completely morally abhorrent (like, say, retaining a convicted wife beater would be)? No. Therefore I'm fundamentally happy.
 
They know they buggered up you don't sign no one unless you have a release. The way the tigers done it with Blair was very professional as they cross there T's nd dotted there I's before they released any news about the signing
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@ti12ga said:
They know they buggered up you don't sign no one unless you have a release. The way the tigers done it with Blair was very professional as they cross there T's nd dotted there I's before they released any news about the signing
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Good point. Something to bear in mind for all the people who were saying "why can't they just get on with it and make the announcement" during The Blair Saga.
 
Wests Tigers back Tim on shoulder injury Glenn Jackson
November 4, 2011

WESTS TIGERS officials have denied Tim Moltzen needs shoulder surgery after St George Illawarra officials accused him of being dishonest in contract negotiations.

The Dragons might have surrendered the battle for Moltzen's signature, but not before claiming the fullback had not disclosed a pre-existing ailment during their discussions.

Their chief executive Peter Doust said of a meeting with Moltzen: ''He in fact told me that his surgeon had advised that very morning that his shoulder would require six months of rehabilitation.

"The shoulder injury was something that Tim or his manager [Martin Tauber] had not previously disclosed and something that would have influenced the club's decision [to sign Moltzen to a three-year contract] in July.''

Moltzen said yesterday he was still discussing his treatment with medical staff. Wests Tigers chief executive Stephen Humphreys said: ''Tim did carry a shoulder injury through a fair bit of season 2011, and as his form, particularly in the last couple of months of the competition, would indicate, he was able to play with that injury and manage it quite successfully.

''He has sought some advice from a surgeon, who has indicated that surgery is one option to consider. At this stage, it's likely he would opt out of surgery and choose to manage it, as he successfully did [this year].''
 
We should be able to pick him up for peanuts once his current contract is up. He luvs the Tigers and no other club will take the chance on him.
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Ceasefire only temporary, as Dragons rage over Moltzen
Glenn Jackson
November 4, 2011

NOW that there are no doubts he is a Wests Tigers player next season, Tim Moltzen is hoping just to ''move on and play some footy''. But he admitted last night he had learnt some valuable lessons, and he would have acted differently if he had his time over again.

The war is over, for now. The Dragons agreed yesterday not to register the three-year contract Moltzen signed with the club, avoiding the prospect of salary cap auditor Ian Schubert ruling on the spat between the two clubs. However, the club still intends to take the Tigers to court. The long-running saga, which came about after the Tigers refused to formally release Moltzen after he signed with the Dragons, is likely to linger for some time.

Moltzen expressed relief, telling the Herald the ordeal had been difficult not just for him and his family. That said, he apologised to the supporters who felt slighted by him.

''I would apologise to Dragons fans and anyone I've upset by the way that everything's happened,'' Moltzen said. ''I'm a bit disappointed the way it played out. Things were put in the papers I haven't said, and wouldn't dream about saying. But it's all sorted now and we can both move on and just look forward to next season.''

There had been suggestions Moltzen was planning to sit out next season if he were forced to play for the Dragons, but the fullback said he would not have resorted to that. ''I don't take my job for granted,'' he said. ''There's no way I'd even consider sitting out a year of footy. I never really thought it would get to that.''

Moltzen revealed he had been subjected to online abuse. ''There was plenty of abuse on [Twitter], people wanting me to break my leg,'' he said. ''Obviously they're passionate fans, and I obviously rubbed them up the wrong way. I understand that. I apologise for the way that everything's gone down.

''If I had my time over, I would have done it differently … I've learnt a few lessons, like sitting back and not rushing into things.

''It's been really tough on my dad … Some days Mum would be crying; it's not only the effect on me, it's the effect on my family. People have been saying things to them. If it was just me, it would be OK … They're a big part of what I do, and they copped a bit as well.''

The dramatic developments yesterday appeared to be a ceasefire that wasn't a ceasefire. Both clubs came to an agreement, yet the Dragons said they would investigate ''legal remedies against the Wests Tigers, for damages''.

Chief executive Peter Doust said there was ''no doubt that the actions of Tim Moltzen, [the player's manager] Martin Tauber and the Wests Tigers have negatively impacted upon our recruitment process and our roster for 2012''.

Tigers chief executive, Stephen Humphreys, said he was surprised by the legal threat but confident the club had acted properly. ''The suggestion that they may take some legal action … takes us very much by surprise, and we are confident that we have followed the rules and not done anything untoward,'' he said. ''Should there be any legal claim on us, we would defend that vigorously.''

The NRL has urged the agent accreditation committee to investigate ''the role of the agent [Tauber] in not securing a written release … prior to entering into a new contract''.

Doust, though, said the club ''will not be rushing into signing a replacement player''. Moltzen met Doust and Humphreys last Friday in a bid to avoid the prospect of Schubert being the referee. "This meeting confirmed that Tim Moltzen … was not going to honour any of his previous commitments,'' Doust declared.
 
**Fed-up Dragons tell Tigers Tim Moltzen is all yours**
Andrew Webster The Daily Telegraph November 04, 2011 12:00AM 3 comments

Man in demand: Tim Moltzen. Source: The Courier-Mail
ALL Tim Moltzen had to do was return a call to St George Illawarra coach Steve Price and tell him he didn't want to come. He wanted to stay at the Wests Tigers with his mates.

However, it was a call that never came.

Yesterday, the ugliest contract dispute in recent memory was resolved - for now - when the Dragons told the NRL and the Tigers they were not seeking to register the contract the star utility had signed in early August.

But the matter appears far over with several issues still lingering.

They include:

* Furious Dragons officials weighing up whether they will pursue compensation from the Wests Tigers;
* Moltzen's manager Martin Tauber in danger of having his agent's accreditation torn up after the NRL called for his actions to be investigated; and
* Rivals clubs already casting doubt over signing Moltzen when he comes off contract next year given the bumbling negotiations.

Dragons chief executive Peter Doust also accused Moltzen of failing to disclose the full extent of a shoulder injury - something that had only come to light when he met with Moltzen, Tauber and Tigers chief executive Stephen Humphreys in the last week.

"This meeting confirmed that Tim Moltzen was not going to honour any of his previous commitments," Doust said. "At the same meeting, Tim also revealed that he has been carrying a shoulder problem for most of the 2011 season which he had yet to have addressed, medically. He in fact told me that his surgeon had advised that very morning that his shoulder would require six months of rehabilitation.

"The shoulder injury was something that Tim or his manager had not previously disclosed and something that would have influenced the club's decision in July."

The Tigers last night said it was uncertain if Moltzen would have surgery on the shoulder, or try to play on with it throughout next season.

Dragons sources last night revealed to The Daily Telegraph the whole episode could have been avoided if Moltzen and Tauber had been up-front with them.

It is understood Price had been trying to speak to Moltzen for two months, but all his phone calls had gone unanswered.

"All we wanted was for him to be a man and say he wanted to stay," an insider said. "That would've been the end of it. The club would've dropped off."

A fortnight-long investigation by NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert found that the Dragons had acted in good faith in signing Moltzen midway through last season after the Tigers had given him permission to talk to other clubs to accommodate the signing of Storm forward Adam Blair.

In the end, the NRL did not have to make any call after the Dragons decided at the eleventh hour they no longer wanted to register the three-year contract.

Yet the Dragons remain angry at the actions of the Tigers, whose chief executive Humphreys had said repeatedly and publicly that Moltzen would not be playing with them next season.

He responded in a statement last night: "We understand that the Dragons are feeling disappointed and disadvantaged but it only serves to reinforce the value of following the generally accepted protocols and procedures that apply in such situations."

Schubert was also scathing of Tauber's role in the dispute, with the NRL wanting his accreditation reviewed.

"The NRL believes it appropriate the Agent Accreditation Committee review the role of the agent in not securing a written release from the Wests Tigers prior to entering into a new contract, as required," it said in a statement.

Tauber is overseas and could not be contacted, although rival clubs were bewildered Moltzen wanted to stay at the Tigers with just one year remaining on his deal when there were three seasons on offer at the Dragons.

As one prominent club boss said: "After the way they have dealt with this, who would want to sign him now?"

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3 comments on this story

Disillusioned of Sydney Posted at 6:40 AM Today
So Moltzen signs multiple contracts and doesn't honour them. Doesn't sound like the kind of person u would want in your team. Should be made to sit out the season.
Ronnie the rooster booster of Bondi Posted at 6:08 AM Today

The kids a pea heart he plays with little courage and refuses to put his body on the line and it appears that flows over to his personal dealings as well. I think he's found the right club to be at in the Wests chokers.
Aussie in the USA of San Diego Posted at 1:28 AM Today

He had a shoulder injury through the season so what does he do when the season ends? He goes to Vegas. Its time the NRL does something about these footballers who seem to think they are accountable to nobody. He will probably stay at the Tigers his whole career but at least in the short term he has reduced his value. Grow up Tim and Tigers learn some ethics.
 
I think the comments from Moltzen are very telling here. It's easy to forget this is a 22 year old kid we're talking about here, and whatever garbage the Telegraph spouts about player wages it's not an issue of multi-million dollar salaries either - just a young guy trying to do the best for himself in a risky career.

Moltzen's been naive and probably rather immature, but it also looks like he's been getting some dreadful advice - and I'm always happier to blame the manager who's presumably guiding his client than a young man who doesn't have any reason to know how to deal with a media circus.

Moltzen has flatly denied threatening to sit out any time, which given the original story was based on no evidence I'm completely happy to believe. Quite frankly whatever anyone's done in this situation it's nothing like as reprehensible as the kind of loser who'd send a player hate messages. Of course we all know there are some right sad acts in this world but it really does depress me to think of the individuals who would actually do that kind of crap.
 
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He has made this club and himself look like a goose
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I think the club had a good hand in that too: "you can look elsewhere", "actually you can stay". Personally I think the club should give the kid some proper support by putting out a strong statement backing him. I know there's a potential legal case here so it might be prejudicial, but couldn't they say something like "The club acknowledges it could have communicated its intentions with regard to 2012 squad planning better to Tim Moltzen and his representatives. We are ecstatic to have Tim back for 2012 but regret the fact that he has been forced to go through so much to make that dream a reality."
 
or they could communicate "while there has been many rumours in relation to the matter, our hand was forced to take these actions to ensure Benji Marshall wouldnt sit out the 2012 season if his mate was released"
 
As much as I love the Tigers and hate the Dragons - I just can't see how people can solely lay blame on the Dragons for all of this.

All they did was sign a player who had been given permission to look elsewhere and alledgey announced it before the Tigers had signed the release (which I maintain was simply a formality).
 
Dragons are trying to save face and spin the story their way. I don't blame them as I would be during the exact same thing as perception is usually better than truth ….

Dragons negotiators should have asked to see the Release in writing at the time. That is just business. If that was the case I would be writing entirely different comments.

Its way too easy to blame the young man.

Now its up to Moltz to unite all the tigers supporters whilst rubbing salt in the wound by having a ripper of a season in 2012 and 2013.

(Ps Drags are my second team as My dad and entire family support them and grew up in the area)
 
I wonder if we will still hear what Schuberts thoughts or plans were with the Moltzen situation
I for one would be interested in what the NRL's take on the situation was
 
In addition Guys.

Scroll up and notice the decidedly different tones of the SMH Vs DT articles.

The DT is openly anti Wests Tigers as we all know (Benji writes for SMH)
 

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