Moltzen staying at Concord
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supercoach
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Thank god it's all over and can move on and talk about another topic. Also if he in fact has a crook shoulder let's hope he gets over it quicker than his knee job
Properossi
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Time for an international transfer system where juniors can actually be traded for coin?
tigersrule4life
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Glad we kept timyy moltzen and what smoking gun is saying even better will be re signing him go u tigers 2012 !!!!
hybrid_tiger
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Shoulder injury that requires rehab. Great. Cant wait to hear the excuses for six months as to why he isn't performing…zZzZzZ
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Original magpie get over yourself mate you obviously don't follow weststigers nd still living in the past. Blair would never had done a backflip as the tigers didn't rush out nd announce it the waited mths to release it. They crossed there T,s nd dotted there I,s mate
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CC_s_Tigers
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I am glad he is staying. It will give the Tim Moltzen haters something to whinge about for the next 3 years….
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And the Dragons have now well and truly spat the dummy…
NRL Dragons may sue Tigers over Moltzen
David Beniuk
November 3, 2011 - 6:24PM
AAP
Furious St George Illawarra officials will consider suing NRL rivals the Wests Tigers for damages after the Dragons were forced to pull out of the battle for star utility Tim Moltzen.
The Dragons on Thursday conceded a release for Moltzen from the final year of his contract with the Tigers, which had been considered a formality, would not be forthcoming.
St George Illawarra chief executive Peter Doust had referred the issue to NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert when Moltzen had a change of heart after signing a three-year deal with the Dragons in July.
The Dragons also accused the Tigers of changing their tune after initially allowing Moltzen, who starred during Tim Sheens' side's run to the finals, to look for other clubs.
In further developments on Thursday, the Dragons said Moltzen had not disclosed a serious injury to them, while the player's manager Martin Tauber will be investigated by the NRL's agent accreditation committee over his role in the affair.
"The Dragons still firmly believe that Tim Moltzen should have been prepared to fulfil his commitment to the three-year contract he and his manager Martin Tauber signed on July 12," a club statement said.
"Furthermore, the club will be investigating the pursuit of its legal remedies against the Wests Tigers, for damages."
Schubert found the lack of a written release from the Tigers meant he remained contracted to that club.
Doust said he had met Tigers boss Stephen Humphreys this week.
"This meeting confirmed that Tim Moltzen wanted to take advantage of the changed circumstances presented by Wests Tigers and was not going to honour any of his previous commitments," Doust said.
"At the same meeting, Tim also revealed that he has been carrying a shoulder problem for most of the 2011 season.
"He in fact told me that his surgeon had advised that very morning that his shoulder would require six months of rehabilitation.
"The shoulder injury was something that Tim or his manager had not previously disclosed."
The outcome leaves the Dragons in a hole because Moltzen had been signed to cover the loss of Newcastle-bound fullback Darius Boyd.
"Notwithstanding this decision, the club will not be rushing into signing a replacement player, even though Wests Tigers offered to subsidise a player transfer," Doust said.
The Tigers, who had objected to the timing of the Dragons' announcement of the signing in July, said they had acted in good faith and not breached NRL rules.
"Whilst the statement released by the Dragons today includes certain inaccuracies, we do not see any merit in publicly debating these items," Humphreys said.
"We understand that the Dragons are feeling disappointed and disadvantaged but it only serves to reinforce the value of following the generally accepted protocols and procedures that apply in such situations.
The NRL said Tauber's failure to secure a written release from the Tigers before entering into another contract would be reviewed by their agents' committee.
Tauber is out of the country and was unable to be contacted.
NRL Dragons may sue Tigers over Moltzen
David Beniuk
November 3, 2011 - 6:24PM
AAP
Furious St George Illawarra officials will consider suing NRL rivals the Wests Tigers for damages after the Dragons were forced to pull out of the battle for star utility Tim Moltzen.
The Dragons on Thursday conceded a release for Moltzen from the final year of his contract with the Tigers, which had been considered a formality, would not be forthcoming.
St George Illawarra chief executive Peter Doust had referred the issue to NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert when Moltzen had a change of heart after signing a three-year deal with the Dragons in July.
The Dragons also accused the Tigers of changing their tune after initially allowing Moltzen, who starred during Tim Sheens' side's run to the finals, to look for other clubs.
In further developments on Thursday, the Dragons said Moltzen had not disclosed a serious injury to them, while the player's manager Martin Tauber will be investigated by the NRL's agent accreditation committee over his role in the affair.
"The Dragons still firmly believe that Tim Moltzen should have been prepared to fulfil his commitment to the three-year contract he and his manager Martin Tauber signed on July 12," a club statement said.
"Furthermore, the club will be investigating the pursuit of its legal remedies against the Wests Tigers, for damages."
Schubert found the lack of a written release from the Tigers meant he remained contracted to that club.
Doust said he had met Tigers boss Stephen Humphreys this week.
"This meeting confirmed that Tim Moltzen wanted to take advantage of the changed circumstances presented by Wests Tigers and was not going to honour any of his previous commitments," Doust said.
"At the same meeting, Tim also revealed that he has been carrying a shoulder problem for most of the 2011 season.
"He in fact told me that his surgeon had advised that very morning that his shoulder would require six months of rehabilitation.
"The shoulder injury was something that Tim or his manager had not previously disclosed."
The outcome leaves the Dragons in a hole because Moltzen had been signed to cover the loss of Newcastle-bound fullback Darius Boyd.
"Notwithstanding this decision, the club will not be rushing into signing a replacement player, even though Wests Tigers offered to subsidise a player transfer," Doust said.
The Tigers, who had objected to the timing of the Dragons' announcement of the signing in July, said they had acted in good faith and not breached NRL rules.
"Whilst the statement released by the Dragons today includes certain inaccuracies, we do not see any merit in publicly debating these items," Humphreys said.
"We understand that the Dragons are feeling disappointed and disadvantaged but it only serves to reinforce the value of following the generally accepted protocols and procedures that apply in such situations.
The NRL said Tauber's failure to secure a written release from the Tigers before entering into another contract would be reviewed by their agents' committee.
Tauber is out of the country and was unable to be contacted.
happy_tiger
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Maybe we can solve this another way Humphrey's v Doust in the Octagon Winner takes all
Great to see a conclusion has been reached, not my favoured outcome but nonetheless it's an outcome.
Hopefully he strings a few more consistent performances at fullback next season.
Hopefully he strings a few more consistent performances at fullback next season.
Tigerdave
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The NRL said Tauber's failure to secure a written release from the Tigers before entering into another contract would be reviewed by their agents' committee.
That's fair enough, but I'm not seeing how the Tigers are at fault with this.
Furious St George Illawarra officials will consider suing NRL rivals the Wests Tigers for damages after the Dragons were forced to pull out of the battle for star utility Tim Moltzen.
The Dragons announced the signing on the day of our game against the Eels and did so before getting an official release. The NRL ruled in our favour. I don't see where we can be sued if there is nothing official in writing saying we'll release him.
I imagine this is one of the reasons why it took so long to get an official announcement on Blair, they had to make sure all the I's were dotted and T's crossed.
That's fair enough, but I'm not seeing how the Tigers are at fault with this.
Furious St George Illawarra officials will consider suing NRL rivals the Wests Tigers for damages after the Dragons were forced to pull out of the battle for star utility Tim Moltzen.
The Dragons announced the signing on the day of our game against the Eels and did so before getting an official release. The NRL ruled in our favour. I don't see where we can be sued if there is nothing official in writing saying we'll release him.
I imagine this is one of the reasons why it took so long to get an official announcement on Blair, they had to make sure all the I's were dotted and T's crossed.
Tigerdave
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@LaT said:
yeah it's a "oh but you promised!!!", I'm waiting for him to go stand in a corner and hold his breath.
Tauber, however, may end up struggling out of all this, if he's assured the Dragons that Moltzen was going, I can't imagine the Dragons would be interested in dealing him with for some time and other clubs may be wary. In saying that, if they just waited for something official from the Tigers rather than relying on a player manager's word, then we may not have heard too much about all this.
Sue the tigers… I dare you.
What a mob of losers!
What a mob of losers!
watersider
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It is nice that some of you are gloating about all this and criticising Doust. But really it is a messy situation and I don't really think that St George can be blamed for the way they acted and their bitterness now. While there was no official release, the Tigers were clearly willing to let Moltzen go. None of the comments after the signing showed any sort of doubt about the validity of the contract.
It is also clear that the club had a change of heart and were able to change their mind because of the sloppy work by the Dragons and Moltzen's managers in not receiving written confirmation of Moltzen's release.
I am glad the Tigers have chosen this course of action and have changed their opinion even if the decision is morally questionable. I also don't think Moltzen is to blame and I'm glad we have a player so keen to be at the club. But the club looks bad at the moment and I think we just have to wear that. I don't think it is anything to gloat about though.
It is also clear that the club had a change of heart and were able to change their mind because of the sloppy work by the Dragons and Moltzen's managers in not receiving written confirmation of Moltzen's release.
I am glad the Tigers have chosen this course of action and have changed their opinion even if the decision is morally questionable. I also don't think Moltzen is to blame and I'm glad we have a player so keen to be at the club. But the club looks bad at the moment and I think we just have to wear that. I don't think it is anything to gloat about though.
happy_tiger
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If the Saints were going to be able to take legal action against anyone the only person they may have a case against is Tauber
But that isn't going to be easy to prove
But that isn't going to be easy to prove
