OFFICIAL Moses Mbye [Discussion]

[CarltonDry]

@TheDaBoss so he’ll be right to play on Thursday 😂 😂

 

[Jock Koss]

Doubt you’ve ever seen ANYONE “go down” as in an exertion injury due to solely a medium grade hip-flexor strain in your life... I can tell ya this because Mbye won’t be lining up on Thursday - and i’d Bet yours and his lives on it. Also did it in last years city to surf... you don’t just punch out 80 minutes of first grade football no worries. Google could’ve told you that 😂

 

[Jock Koss]

Was also working a highly physical job at the time - which required me, your average Joe Bloggs to take an entire week off as well as several weeks to regain my confidence to the affected area not to mention 0% chance of power running during that time

 

[WT2K]

Injuries that won’t get any worse basically no matter what happens

? Arthritic or chronic injuries don't get worse? Good to know. That must explain why Dean Young is still playing rugby league.

Also happy to know this as I'm someone in his early 30s with chronic osteo in both shoulders it won't get worse. Somedays you can't even lift your arm above waist height. (I picked up on the sarcasm)

 

[Jock Koss]

@WT2K rugby days or just unlucky with recurring injury?? I’ve got a toe/finger joint that’s semi arthritic already (mid twenties) and it hasn’t gotten worse since my original string of injuries when I was about 15-16. Tbh I think Osteo is harder to manage and purely chronic injuries are often treatable or at least avoidable as was the case for me... gave up footy

If you do the recommended physio and keep up with latest treatment methods/damage reduction procedures then I don’t see why it would be a MAJOR problem until you’re at least 50+. Obviously would need to know the severity and cause of the original shoulder problems to get a more definitive answer. Please do feel free to shoot me a MSG anytime WT2K.

 

[WT2K]

@DieHarder 3 recons due to rugby playing days.

 

[tig_prmz]

LOL this is high level competitive sports. You're not going to stop a player for a Grade 1 strain of the muscle. If he can kick/run/sprint/hop/jump/twist, he will play. Especially towards the backend of the season.

 

[Harvey]

LOL this is high level competitive sports. You're not going to stop a player for a Grade 1 strain of the muscle. If he can kick/run/sprint/hop/jump/twist, he will play. Especially towards the backend of the season.

And if he can do none of the above you pick him anyway????

 

[Jamescogs]

Mbye's season could be over as he turns to plasma injections
Author
Michael Chammas
Chief Reporter
Timestamp
Mon 12 Aug 2019, 04:01 PM
Michael Chammas

Things have gone from bad to worse for the Wests Tigers, with skipper Moses Mbye facing the possibility of his season being over.

NRL.com can reveal Mbye’s injury is more severe than originally feared, with the 25-year-old undergoing platelet-rich plasma (PRP) therapy to help speed up his recovery from the injury he suffered in the loss to the Bulldogs on Saturday night.

The injury is expected to open the door for rookie young gun Tommy Talau, the son of former Canterbury centre Willie Talau, to make his NRL debut against Manly this Thursday.


Mbye tore his hip flexor while practicing goal-kicking in the warm-up against his old club and lasted just a few minutes into the game before succumbing to the injury.

The club is yet to make an official statement on Mbye's injury status but officials are hopeful he may be fit in time for the last game of the regular season against the Cronulla Sharks at Leichhardt Oval.

However the Tigers are also bracing themselves for the possibility of being without their captain for the rest of the season as they continue their finals quest.

Wests Tigers captain Moses Mbye.
Wests Tigers captain Moses Mbye.
©Robb Cox/NRL Photos
Mbye, who had his blood taken on Monday, will have plasma injections on Tuesday – which happens to be his 26th birthday - in the hope of playing again this season.

The therapy uses injections of Mbye’s own platelets - designed to accelerate the healing of the injured muscles, ligaments and tendons.

Talaua, who is expected to play in Mbye's absence on Thursday night, joined the club from the Bulldogs in the off-season having represented NSW under-18s and Australian Schoolboys.


Farah injures knee in first half against Bulldogs
He was upgraded from the club’s development squad to the top 30 prior to the June 30 cut-off.

Mbye’s injury is compounded by the fact the Tigers could also be without retiring hooker Robbie Farah for the rest of the regular season.

Farah suffered a fractured tibia in the loss to the Bulldogs and is racing the clock to play again.

Despite a plethora of injuries, NRL.com understands Josh Reynolds won’t return to the NRL side this week, but instead continue playing Canterbury Cup for the Magpies.

 

[851]

Despite a plethora of injuries, NRL.com understands Josh Reynolds won’t return to the NRL side this week, but instead continue playing Canterbury Cup for the Magpies.

What a joke, he should be in there at 5/8th, why not use your $700k player
Also
Mbye tore his hip flexor while practicing goal-kicking in the warm-up against his old club and lasted just a few minutes into the game before succumbing to the injury.
That confirms he shouldn’t have played

 

[Jock Koss]

@851 agreed I did not know that. Tbh, marsters should’ve taken over goal kicking in the warm-up at that point as well... then after Momers missed either the first penalty goal or 2nd sideline conversion . The way I see it is probably Thompson and Marsters were extremely quiet and lacked their usual bubbly energy (as did a lot of the side). J. Rey almost completely cures that problem on his own, tell Liddle he has a major role now and only give it to Joshy when the play’s on... its gotta yield more rewards, especially in defence than Marshall is atm

 

[CarltonDry]

@DieHarder well Mr Happy he was walking up the stairs yesterday with no limp. I didn’t use google I used my own eyes. As I said I’ve never seen anyone go down like that in my life with a hip flexor injury it’s normally they can’t hit top speed

 

[Jock Koss]

@CarltonDry yes, mate , I see what u r getting at but I’m literally saying this isn’t your average one, it’s now common knowledge he tore his hip flexor quite severely doing goal kicking pre-game . Never should’ve been asked to play, maybe warm the bench for 80 is understandable but as our captain , Strike centre and only decent goal kicker he needed not to be selfish and disclose how seriously it was effecting him ... I’ve seen people go down like they’ve been shot by a sniper due to severe hip flexor / even minor issues and mate I’ll tell you it’s a fact because as I said the same happened to me last year ! Hurt like a hot burn from mumma’s crock pot !

 

[happy_tiger]

Go have a look at all the stats from that game and tell me we don’t win with Liddle coming off the bench as hooker instead of Taylor

I have no idea whether or not we win if Liddle plays instead of Taylor. If you can claim to know this, truly, then stop reading the forum, clear your mind of distractions and go focus on cleaning up the casinos and bookies with your savant capabilities.

Yet you claim you know that Mbye's injury was tested fully before hand and I am misconstruing what Madge said in presser

Pot ...kettle ..black

 

[jirskyr]

Go have a look at all the stats from that game and tell me we don’t win with Liddle coming off the bench as hooker instead of Taylor

I have no idea whether or not we win if Liddle plays instead of Taylor. If you can claim to know this, truly, then stop reading the forum, clear your mind of distractions and go focus on cleaning up the casinos and bookies with your savant capabilities.

Yet you claim you know that Mbye's injury was tested fully before hand and I am misconstruing what Madge said in presser

Pot ...kettle ..black

If the physios tested it, you can only assume it was "tested fully"? Do physios do half tests these days, is that the norm? Partial assessments by the team doctor?

I won't claim to know what they tested or how, just that they tested it and he passed the test.

If you want to criticise the test, fair enough, find out exactly what they tested and critique that process.

But you see I am not criticising the physios or coach or medic, I am assuming they made their best assessment. Whether or not that was to an adequately professional standard I cannot say, but again, I am not criticising them for the level at which they operated, so I am under no duress to provide evidence for or against them.

 

[Jock Koss]

@jirskyr I gave the medico’s the benefit of the doubt too... somewhat foolishly apparently, because all the evidence is now pointing toward him having a grade 2-3 tear of his flexor and kicking leg well before kick-off... the argument cannot be made that he was allowed to because they thought it was the best decision for the team (not you but many on here have said) and I definitely still agree with, or that they did ‘adequately’ test it because it’s since been proven to have at least been the wrong initial diagnosis and what I’m leaning towards was a very brief *assessment* by the doctors indeed.

Unfortunately, Madge has been copping it for all of this and that is something I can no longer deflect from if he was aware of the magnitude of the injury or just how important - as we fans were- that game was to defining our entire season . You cannot argue that the right decision was made anymore, it’s just “how badly wrong did they get it?” And who is most at fault in the ensuing breakdown. For me it is Player &Physio alone ... Madge was counting on Mbye who would’ve known let me assure you, that he was not at all good to go the 80.

 

[Madge]

Apparently he is going to undergo hip surgery?

 

[rustycage]

Madge can't turn around and say but but but the medical staff said.

Actually he can and did. They cleared him for to play he has no option but to trust their judgement. Are you suggesting he has a greater medical opinion than a doctor?

You also haven't answered what I asked earlier. Would you be happy if Matterson had a niggle, was cleared medically fit by the doctor and for Maguire to rule him out against the professional advice?

We'll have to agree to disagree.

You've done your best, they aren't to be reasoned with on this one.

Clearly it was more than a niggle. Therein lies the problem.

 

[jirskyr]

Madge can't turn around and say but but but the medical staff said.

Actually he can and did. They cleared him for to play he has no option but to trust their judgement. Are you suggesting he has a greater medical opinion than a doctor?

You also haven't answered what I asked earlier. Would you be happy if Matterson had a niggle, was cleared medically fit by the doctor and for Maguire to rule him out against the professional advice?

We'll have to agree to disagree.

You've done your best, they aren't to be reasoned with on this one.


Clearly it was more than a niggle. Therein lies the problem.

No, not clearly. He may have done the maximum damage only during the match, and I have yet to see a report to the contrary.

You may twinge your hammy in warm up, overcome the twinge, then tear your hamstring during the match. That doesn't mean the warm up wasn't a niggle.

 

[voice_of_reason]

No, not clearly. He may have done the maximum damage only during the match, and I have yet to see a report to the contrary.

You may twinge your hammy in warm up, overcome the twinge, then tear your hamstring during the match. That doesn't mean the warm up wasn't a niggle.

Exactly. 22 weeks into the season it would be fair to say 80% of players are taking the field with niggles. You only need to watch the shoulder/knee/elbow/ankle taping being done in the dressing rooms pre-game to realise that. I'm sure out of camera view there's enough needles to make an addict blush.

Like it or not, coaches have to rely on medical staff for medical assessments. The players have to tread the very fine line between letting the team down by playing versus letting the team down by not playing. Unfortunately these things aren't black and white.

You roll the dice and sometimes come up with snake eyes.