OFFICIAL Moses Mbye [Discussion]

[Masterton]

Momo in next week or the coach is a joke

8 rounds before the coach is finally called a joke. This must be a new record.

 

[gallagher]

@GNR4LIFE its no mystery at all after watching him last week in reserves. He was totally disinterested but he has a chance today to push his claims.

 

[jirskyr]

This is rad thread.

Mbye is hopeless.
Fonua is hopeless.
Marsters is hopeless.
Jennings is hopeless.

Both 5/8ths are injured, so basically our entire backline sucks except Brooks (every second week) and Thompson-but-I-wish-he-was-a-bit-bigger.

I don't know if anyone noticed but our line speed against Roosters SUCKED. Our ruck management SUCKED. Our kick attack SUCKED.

Roosters must have dropped 15 accurate bombs right in the teeth of their own chasers and yes Mbye dropped some bad ones and no he should not be forgiven for that. Dropping footballs from a barrage of good kicks can be fixed - either by having confidence in catching or just stopping the bloody kicks in the first place. But I'm not defending Mbye there, those were key errors from him.

But show me anyone against the Roosters who gave them any trouble. Their defensive line was like a sea of tacklers, I think the only runners who legit gave them any trouble was Liddle quite a few times, Matterson to score, Mikaele/Aloiai once or twice and actually Brooksie when there was nothing else.

I don't know what Mbye is supposed to do when we shift left on tackle 4, after making no yardage, and his pass options are Jennings outside and maybe Garner inside. Those are rubbish options, it couldn't be further apart from Tedesco eyeing up Latrell or Keary or Cordner on the Roosters left.

Frankly I think Jennings needs to go first, he offers nothing at all. I'm an advocate for giving a bloke a fair dinkum go but Jennings has had his chance. The fact we got better last week when he went off concussed says everything. Momiroviski is an obvious choice to replace, because although Jennings can defend, he has shown nothing in attack or hitups.

Marsters was schooled by Latrell, but that's a weekly thing for centres.

So no, Mbye is not doing well, mostly because of his hands. In attack actually he popped up a lot tonight and went as close as anyone to scoring in the last 30 mins.

But Roosters comfortably handled us in all departments and it showed on the board and in the mistakes of our team.

 

[Geo]

Maguire has shown he is not afraid to drop blokes..Mikaele, Packer with Reynolds not starting the year and Nofoaluma yet to play a FG games this season..

Having said that can't see him dropping Mbye as much as the fans want him to..

You don't make wholesale changes otherwise you can't build combinations if you are chopping and changing the side every other week barring injury..

 

[happy_tiger]

This is rad thread.

Mbye is hopeless.
Fonua is hopeless.
Marsters is hopeless.
Jennings is hopeless.

Both 5/8ths are injured, so basically our entire backline sucks except Brooks (every second week) and Thompson-but-I-wish-he-was-a-bit-bigger.

I don't know if anyone noticed but our line speed against Roosters SUCKED. Our ruck management SUCKED. Our kick attack SUCKED.

Roosters must have dropped 15 accurate bombs right in the teeth of their own chasers and yes Mbye dropped some bad ones and no he should not be forgiven for that. Dropping footballs from a barrage of good kicks can be fixed - either by having confidence in catching or just stopping the bloody kicks in the first place. But I'm not defending Mbye there, those were key errors from him.

But show me anyone against the Roosters who gave them any trouble. Their defensive line was like a sea of tacklers, I think the only runners who legit gave them any trouble was Liddle quite a few times, Matterson to score, Mikaele/Aloiai once or twice and actually Brooksie when there was nothing else.

I don't know what Mbye is supposed to do when we shift left on tackle 4, after making no yardage, and his pass options are Jennings outside and maybe Garner inside. Those are rubbish options, it couldn't be further apart from Tedesco eyeing up Latrell or Keary or Cordner on the Roosters left.

Frankly I think Jennings needs to go first, he offers nothing at all. I'm an advocate for giving a bloke a fair dinkum go but Jennings has had his chance. The fact we got better last week when he went off concussed says everything. Momiroviski is an obvious choice to replace, because although Jennings can defend, he has shown nothing in attack or hitups.

Marsters was schooled by Latrell, but that's a weekly thing for centres.

So no, Mbye is not doing well, mostly because of his hands. In attack actually he popped up a lot tonight and went as close as anyone to scoring in the last 30 mins.

But Roosters comfortably handled us in all departments and it showed on the board and in the mistakes of our team.

Mikaele looked dangerous every time he got the ball ...he was making post contact metres

His first two hit ups he had 29 metres

I can't believe we can't see the benefits of a half / hooker running close to the line and getting Mikaele ,Aloiai or Matterson isolated 1 on 1 with a smaller defender

Farah had a chance at one stage but went himself

 

[jirskyr]

Mikaele looked dangerous every time he got the ball …he was making post contact metres

No he's a good kid but he had 7 runs. So 7 "dangerous" runs. Defensively it's not the same story, you don't start Mikaele obviously and his minutes are modest. So definitely a prospect over time.

I agree Liddle did a good job of getting us forward. I can't be entirely sure whether that was just Liddle or Roosters tiring a bit - we had more share of possession at the end.

The thing that really sold it for me was about the 60 minute mark, Roosters bomb and Tigers field the kick. Thompson takes 2nd tackle run off the DH, but he comes from 10 metres back at speed, puts a little jink and pokes through the line - 10m gain from the smallest bloke out there against a set line. Quick PTB and Farah is rolling forward on the next play.

If we had 100 other hitups in the game, I did not see anyone come at speed from a distance like Thompson did that play. I think Aloiai did it once. I'm not sure what coaching is required to have fellows:
a) run at near top speed, not jogging like Fonua
b) take a run-up before getting the ball, not starting flat-footer like Marsters and basically every forward
c) provide numbers in motion when the ball is spread, like apparently ZERO of our backrowers do

 

[happy_tiger]

Totally agree .....why can't our blokes come off the back fence more often , I've said this a thousand times ...the quicker you are moving the better your step at the line is and easier to hit the mark between defenders

OK you won't break the line but you will get a faster the play the ball and speed up our ruck and get us on the front foot

Which helps Brooks ,Mbye ,Farah , Liddle , Marshall Reynolds ..even Matterson and to a lesser extent getting earlier ball to Marsters

Really this game is simple , run hard , tackle hard , work hard , play the odds and use your brains and more times than not you'll get a favourable result

Some days the opposition will do it better ....poo happens

 

[Geo]

I think that was our worst game for run metres this year barring the Parra debarkle..

Of the blokes who play 80mins according to NRL Stats.
Jennings ran for 149m
Brooks 132m
Mbye 130m
Fonua 125m
Thompson 105m
Matterson 90m

Only 1 forward cracked 100m with Twal at 105 with a special mention to Mikaele who's 7 runs netted 84m and the one at the line basically set up Farah's sneaky effort..

When your half is in the top 2 for running metres..you're doing it wrong

 

[happy_tiger]

I think that was our worst game for run metres this year barring the Parra debarkle..

Of the blokes who play 80mins according to NRL Stats.
Jennings ran for 149m
Brooks 132m
Mbye 130m
Fonua 125m
Thompson 105m
Matterson 90m

Only 1 forward cracked 100m with Twal at 105 with a special mention to Mikaele who's 7 runs netted 84m and the one at the line basically set up Farah's sneaky effort..

When your half is in the top 2 for running metres..you're doing it wrong

We've played that exact same way with either Iv or Madge as coach

What does that tell us

These are obviously our best metre eaters ...win lose or draw

 

[rah53]

He's definitely been a liability to our teams progress. A few of my Tigers mates have not a had anything positive to say about Mbye.
My personal opinion would be to play Thompson at fullback.

 

[upthetigers]

Not sure how many games you watched but Hoppa was way better than him at fullback.

You can't be saying that with a straight face Hoppa would be one of the worst fullbacks in the NRL he offers NOTHING in attack. They released Mbye not because they wanted to but cause they had to to release cap pressure. Not sure what games you were watching if you didn't think Mbye was one of their best players. A big part of their improvement was due to his switch to fb.


Hard to work out who is better, but would suggest that at least 12 other clubs have fullbacks (in some clubs it's multiple) that are better than both of them.

Mbye has certainly regressed this year but one of our biggest deficiencies is our attack and to think Hoppa would be the answer is just laughable. He's a small body and easily handled he is an honest player but offers nothing in attack.

 

[weststigerman]

@GNR4LIFE 100% agree.

So disappointed in Jennings. He’s got the size but he’s slow and lazy.

 

[2005magic]

Got to say that I reckon Thompson has a better claim to fullback position. Dunno where Mbye should fit in.

 

[Tigerlily]

@GNR4LIFE 100% agree.

So disappointed in Jennings. He’s got the size but he’s slow and lazy.

Jennings thus far is a good example of an average player that’s been found out in a team that requires him to perform at a higher standard/work rate then what he did at Souths where other people did all the razzle dazzle and hard work.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Another good thing that came away from that match was teal and mattersons fantasy points... rhey both got 65 😁👌

 

[Tigerlily]

@TheDaBoss good point Lol..

 

[AusTigers]

Any merit in using Thompson at fullback in defence and swapping with mbye to control in attack

 

[Newtown]

Any merit in using Thompson at fullback in defence and swapping with mbye to control in attack

Nothing wrong with that arrangement at all.

 

[TheDaBoss]

@Newtown
prehaps mbye needa to play less minutes, prehaps thats his problem

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Must agree with the OP Mbye is just terrible, the dogs must be laughing themselves silly Reynolds then Mbye subsidy or not. Seems like the dogs cap problems are now ours thanks Ivan.