OFFICIAL Moses Mbye [Discussion]

[Geo]

It is quite ironic that paying players ie Farah Sironen Blair to play for other Clubs screwed our Cap to pre Voldemort which wasn't ever going to happen again under Pascoe's watch when Taylor was punted... now we want to pay anything to get rid of players we signed cause we stopped paying players to play for other teams..

It would be funny..but it's just the life of a Wests Tigers fan cycle..

You been drinking ?

It's not that hard to understand is it..

We got our cap in a mess through previous administration liked big back ended deals..We then paid some of those players a fair chunk to play for other teams..

That wasn't supposed to happen again..

Once that ended and looked like we were in the clear we bought duds on big deals and now we want to pay said duds a fair chunk to play for other teams just to get rid of them..

 

[gallagher]

It is quite ironic that paying players ie Farah Sironen Blair to play for other Clubs screwed our Cap to pre Voldemort which wasn't ever going to happen again under Pascoe's watch when Taylor was punted... now we want to pay anything to get rid of players we signed cause we stopped paying players to play for other teams..

It would be funny..but it's just the life of a Wests Tigers fan cycle..

You been drinking ?

It's not that hard to understand is it..

We got our cap in a mess through previous administration liked big back ended deals..We then paid some of those players a fair chunk to play for other teams..

That wasn't supposed to happen again..

Once that ended and looked like we were in the clear we bought duds on big deals and now we want to pay said duds a fair chunk to play for other teams just to get rid of them..

This is the part everyone says 'thanks Ivan' conveniently forgetting the bloke that's still here.

 

[05TIGZZ]

He leads the competition for try assists for any outside backs this year so he has a lot to offer

Really? Is that across the whole comp? Even if it was just at the Tigers I'd be surprised. Moses MBye? Mitchell Moses, perhaps.

MBye leading the comp on try assist for any player who's last name starts with 'MB' ... perhaps.

It’s true. He’s got 6 try assists, equal more than any other winger or centre in the competition. He’s got a really good passing game and has set up some nice tries for us this year.

Mbye was actually one of our better players when footy returned. Can’t remember what game , but he had a blinder and people were saying it was his best game in a tigers jersey. Then it just fell apart and he’s had a few shockers since then. If Reynolds goes to super league and mbye to titans then that’s over $1million dollars we have to play with.


Quoted for truth.

IMO he only had 1 "Shocker" and Im not convinced it was his fault as he was all of a sudden inside a debutant on the wing who wasnt up to it.

Since then all eyes have been on him and whilst IMO he has played reasonably well since then, since the "Shocker" everyone is looking for $ 850k performances out of him.

I actually don’t mind Mbye. Defensively he was great and it started coming together in attack for him. I agree it was only one shocker, but since then even defensively he hasn’t been that good. If he isn’t going to be our 5/8 or fullback then he isn’t worth $950k to us and we are better of going with Talau and BJ in the centres.

 

[hobbo1]

It is quite ironic that paying players ie Farah Sironen Blair to play for other Clubs screwed our Cap to pre Voldemort which wasn't ever going to happen again under Pascoe's watch when Taylor was punted... now we want to pay anything to get rid of players we signed cause we stopped paying players to play for other teams..

It would be funny..but it's just the life of a Wests Tigers fan cycle..

You been drinking ?

It's not that hard to understand is it..

We got our cap in a mess through previous administration liked big back ended deals..We then paid some of those players a fair chunk to play for other teams..

That wasn't supposed to happen again..

Once that ended and looked like we were in the clear we bought duds on big deals and now we want to pay said duds a fair chunk to play for other teams just to get rid of them..

It was easy to understand .
Your reference to the life cycle comment was a mess..
That’s why I asked if you’d been in the cordial ?

Off topic ... will I get mugged at Liverpool ?

 

[JC99]

He leads the competition for try assists for any outside backs this year so he has a lot to offer

Really? Is that across the whole comp? Even if it was just at the Tigers I'd be surprised. Moses MBye? Mitchell Moses, perhaps.

MBye leading the comp on try assist for any player who's last name starts with 'MB' ... perhaps.

It’s true. He’s got 6 try assists, equal more than any other winger or centre in the competition. He’s got a really good passing game and has set up some nice tries for us this year.

Mbye was actually one of our better players when footy returned. Can’t remember what game , but he had a blinder and people were saying it was his best game in a tigers jersey. Then it just fell apart and he’s had a few shockers since then. If Reynolds goes to super league and mbye to titans then that’s over $1million dollars we have to play with.


Quoted for truth.

IMO he only had 1 "Shocker" and Im not convinced it was his fault as he was all of a sudden inside a debutant on the wing who wasnt up to it.

Since then all eyes have been on him and whilst IMO he has played reasonably well since then, since the "Shocker" everyone is looking for $ 850k performances out of him.

Correction - we always looked for a 800k performance from him every game.

What did he think we paid him that to pretend to be a captain, bludge on the field and be a little eloquent with the media.

Don't think so.

If he played his best footy every single game he’s still not an $800k player. To ever offer him that money is lunacy he’s just not that player

To be fair though I’d rather have Mbye on the books at $800 than Jennings on $400

I’d rather play myself on the wing for a six pack of beer than have Jennings ?

You’d have more pace.

And that’s saying something considering I was always a prop when I played ?

 

[Needaname]

He leads the competition for try assists for any outside backs this year so he has a lot to offer

Really? Is that across the whole comp? Even if it was just at the Tigers I'd be surprised. Moses MBye? Mitchell Moses, perhaps.

MBye leading the comp on try assist for any player who's last name starts with 'MB' ... perhaps.

It’s true. He’s got 6 try assists, equal more than any other winger or centre in the competition. He’s got a really good passing game and has set up some nice tries for us this year.

Mbye was actually one of our better players when footy returned. Can’t remember what game , but he had a blinder and people were saying it was his best game in a tigers jersey. Then it just fell apart and he’s had a few shockers since then. If Reynolds goes to super league and mbye to titans then that’s over $1million dollars we have to play with.


Quoted for truth.

IMO he only had 1 "Shocker" and Im not convinced it was his fault as he was all of a sudden inside a debutant on the wing who wasnt up to it.

Since then all eyes have been on him and whilst IMO he has played reasonably well since then, since the "Shocker" everyone is looking for $ 850k performances out of him.

Correction - we always looked for a 800k performance from him every game.

What did he think we paid him that to pretend to be a captain, bludge on the field and be a little eloquent with the media.

Don't think so.


So you think a player should be trying to play to their salary? If a player is underpaid? Or a player should just play his best every game? Its ridiculous. Not his fault that he was signed to an insane contract. His best is not worth $800K.

To be fair it was the Bulldogs that signed him to that contract We were just stupid enough to continue honouring that when we signed him and added an extra 2 years.

 

[Fletch]

Man Boob Mbye has been a major disappointment.

However I’ve always thought his best position is probably at 5/8, but he’s never been given a run there. With the season effectively over and nothing to lose I’d be tempted to give him a couple of weeks at 5/8 to show us what he can do as a playmaker. That should resolve it once and for all. He’s offering nothing at centre, he’s a waste time there, plus I’d prefer Tommy be given the opportunity to settle in at left centre.

 

[Harvey]

Man Boob Mbye has been a major disappointment.

However I’ve always thought his best position is probably at 5/8, but he’s never been given a run there. With the season effectively over and nothing to lose I’d be tempted to give him a couple of weeks at 5/8 to show us what he can do as a playmaker. That should resolve it once and for all. He’s offering nothing at centre, he’s a waste time there, plus I’d prefer Tommy be given the opportunity to settle in at left centre.

Agree with this. We have some bad contracts, but need to field a side.

As previously mentioned when you subsidise a player to leave you only have the remaining amount of their contract to buy a player.

Mbye and Reynolds are both on massive overs, but it does not make sense to get rid of both of them, pay 600-700k for them to play elsewhere to free up 800 that will need to be used to sign a 5/8 with only the leftovers available to actually upgrade the roster.

I would shop one and keep the other to play 5/8. If Mbye is a centre then I would be happy to carry a fair whack of his contract to leave. We have young centres coming through & you can pick up good outside backs for the amount that it frees up.

 

[Russell]

He leads the competition for try assists for any outside backs this year so he has a lot to offer

Really? Is that across the whole comp? Even if it was just at the Tigers I'd be surprised. Moses MBye? Mitchell Moses, perhaps.

MBye leading the comp on try assist for any player who's last name starts with 'MB' ... perhaps.

It’s true. He’s got 6 try assists, equal more than any other winger or centre in the competition. He’s got a really good passing game and has set up some nice tries for us this year.

Mbye was actually one of our better players when footy returned. Can’t remember what game , but he had a blinder and people were saying it was his best game in a tigers jersey. Then it just fell apart and he’s had a few shockers since then. If Reynolds goes to super league and mbye to titans then that’s over $1million dollars we have to play with.


Quoted for truth.

IMO he only had 1 "Shocker" and Im not convinced it was his fault as he was all of a sudden inside a debutant on the wing who wasnt up to it.

Since then all eyes have been on him and whilst IMO he has played reasonably well since then, since the "Shocker" everyone is looking for $ 850k performances out of him.

Correction - we always looked for a 800k performance from him every game.

What did he think we paid him that to pretend to be a captain, bludge on the field and be a little eloquent with the media.

Don't think so.


So you think a player should be trying to play to their salary? If a player is underpaid? Or a player should just play his best every game? Its ridiculous. Not his fault that he was signed to an insane contract. His best is not worth $800K.

It's not his fault, but I haven't heard he is giving any of it back because he is not putting in though.

 

[Tim Sheens]

He leads the competition for try assists for any outside backs this year so he has a lot to offer

Really? Is that across the whole comp? Even if it was just at the Tigers I'd be surprised. Moses MBye? Mitchell Moses, perhaps.

MBye leading the comp on try assist for any player who's last name starts with 'MB' ... perhaps.

It’s true. He’s got 6 try assists, equal more than any other winger or centre in the competition. He’s got a really good passing game and has set up some nice tries for us this year.

Mbye was actually one of our better players when footy returned. Can’t remember what game , but he had a blinder and people were saying it was his best game in a tigers jersey. Then it just fell apart and he’s had a few shockers since then. If Reynolds goes to super league and mbye to titans then that’s over $1million dollars we have to play with.


Quoted for truth.

IMO he only had 1 "Shocker" and Im not convinced it was his fault as he was all of a sudden inside a debutant on the wing who wasnt up to it.

Since then all eyes have been on him and whilst IMO he has played reasonably well since then, since the "Shocker" everyone is looking for $ 850k performances out of him.

Correction - we always looked for a 800k performance from him every game.

What did he think we paid him that to pretend to be a captain, bludge on the field and be a little eloquent with the media.

Don't think so.


So you think a player should be trying to play to their salary? If a player is underpaid? Or a player should just play his best every game? Its ridiculous. Not his fault that he was signed to an insane contract. His best is not worth $800K.

It's not his fault, but I haven't heard he is giving any of it back because he is not putting in though.

Is he not putting in though, as 59 tackles and 80 minutes first game up playing in the nine suggests to me that he is? He has also shown a willingness to play in any position he is asked to by the coach, even when carrying injury for weeks on end, so you can't ask for much more than that.

That WT are paying him a salary of some $800k or more is not his fault, and if the $950k figure bandied about is near accurate, then that blame falls to the CEO.

 

[tony soprano]

Man Boob Mbye has been a major disappointment.

However I’ve always thought his best position is probably at 5/8, but he’s never been given a run there. With the season effectively over and nothing to lose I’d be tempted to give him a couple of weeks at 5/8 to show us what he can do as a playmaker. That should resolve it once and for all. He’s offering nothing at centre, he’s a waste time there, plus I’d prefer Tommy be given the opportunity to settle in at left centre.

Agree what’s the point of playing benji after last week

 

[Hangonaminute]

He leads the competition for try assists for any outside backs this year so he has a lot to offer

Really? Is that across the whole comp? Even if it was just at the Tigers I'd be surprised. Moses MBye? Mitchell Moses, perhaps.

MBye leading the comp on try assist for any player who's last name starts with 'MB' ... perhaps.

It’s true. He’s got 6 try assists, equal more than any other winger or centre in the competition. He’s got a really good passing game and has set up some nice tries for us this year.

Mbye was actually one of our better players when footy returned. Can’t remember what game , but he had a blinder and people were saying it was his best game in a tigers jersey. Then it just fell apart and he’s had a few shockers since then. If Reynolds goes to super league and mbye to titans then that’s over $1million dollars we have to play with.

Well at least he's had one

 

[Krammy]

The biggest concern I have at the moment is if the players are over Madge. The effort in the second half last week, following Madge's spray, followed by what they dished up tonight looked way too much like a team that has lost, or is losing, its spirit. I wonder has Madge learnt from his days at Souths. Time for some varied man management I think.

I’m not the biggest fan of Madge atm, but you don’t beat teams 48-0 and go toe to toe with top 4 sides if the players are over the coach. There’s definitely issues which Madge seems unable to solve, but the players not putting in for him is garbage. You want to point your finger at a club whose players have given up on the coach, look at the Broncos.

Interesting replies to my post - passionate supporters who all want success, as do I. I posted what I said because I had noticed a distinct lack of effort after Madge's spray in the Warriors game and after a hard week of training the following week, the effort was really down in the Knights game. I agree before this they had been responding to Madge giving them a rev up and making hard calls. Interesting to note his change in approach this week - deliberately taking it easy early in the week and having a bit of fun with his players. I was really pleased to see this because years ago he would have continued to take the hard line approach. To me it says he is growing as a leader of men. Anyone in a leadership position in their workplace would know that you can't just go hard on your team all the time, as it will eventually backfire. Good on you Madge - I expect the players to respond with a big effort this weekend. I was confident they would nail the Dogs by 12 or more, but not so sure now after the BJ thing.

 

[izotope]

on reports of titans not interested in mbye, if there is no takers

Are we allowed to modify the contract if we extended him eg current deal is 800k 2021. Offer 2021,22,23 for 1.2 total?

Solid enough to be worth 350-400 without having to pay half his salary elsewhere

edit: not modify but a new 3 year contract superceding the old one

 

[Tiger5150]

on reports of titans not interested in mbye, if there is no takers

Are we allowed to modify the contract if we extended him eg current deal is 800k 2021. Offer 2021,22,23 for 1.2 total?

Solid enough to be worth 350-400 without having to pay half his salary elsewhere

edit: not modify but a new 3 year contract superceding the old one

That is exactly what they did with Lawrence.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

on reports of titans not interested in mbye, if there is no takers

Are we allowed to modify the contract if we extended him eg current deal is 800k 2021. Offer 2021,22,23 for 1.2 total?

Solid enough to be worth 350-400 without having to pay half his salary elsewhere

edit: not modify but a new 3 year contract superceding the old one

The precedent was set with Lawrence, so it can be done. But does the club want him here beyond 2022? That’s the question.

 

[tonza]

It is quite ironic that paying players ie Farah Sironen Blair to play for other Clubs screwed our Cap to pre Voldemort which wasn't ever going to happen again under Pascoe's watch when Taylor was punted... now we want to pay anything to get rid of players we signed cause we stopped paying players to play for other teams..

It would be funny..but it's just the life of a Wests Tigers fan cycle..

You been drinking ?

It's not that hard to understand is it..

We got our cap in a mess through previous administration liked big back ended deals..We then paid some of those players a fair chunk to play for other teams..

That wasn't supposed to happen again..

Once that ended and looked like we were in the clear we bought duds on big deals and now we want to pay said duds a fair chunk to play for other teams just to get rid of them..

If we have to pay $4ooooo for him to play elsewhere, then we may as well keep him. It will cost the same to replace him. Why dont we just grin and bear it. Stick him in the No.14 and be done with it.

 

[TigerVinnie]

Going to start this off with I am all for offloading Moses and for the price he is on he has not lived to standards. HOWEVER... I do believe he cops more than he deserves on here. When playing centre with a competent winger outside of him (i.e Talau) I actually think he is in our best 13. The last month he has been moved around from centre, played a shocker on the wing, dummy half and half a game at fullback...honestly couldn't blame a guy for playing average (yes average, not poor) when you get changed mid game constantly.

I think he is very solid in defense, is fantastic at setting up his outside man (problem is we hardly go down his side). You only have to look at the good first half of this season we barely leaked a try down that edge. Taking the pay argument out I would honestly be fine with him remaining centre with AJ/Talau outside of him next year. I also don't agree with the argument about any laziness, I actually thinks he puts in more than what some other players in this team do.

not a captain though...give it to someone else.

 

[jadtiger]

not a captain though…give it to someone else.

I have to agree with that and also it could just help him concentrate on his game

 

[JC99]

Going to start this off with I am all for offloading Moses and for the price he is on he has not lived to standards. HOWEVER... I do believe he cops more than he deserves on here. When playing centre with a competent winger outside of him (i.e Talau) I actually think he is in our best 13. The last month he has been moved around from centre, played a shocker on the wing, dummy half and half a game at fullback...honestly couldn't blame a guy for playing average (yes average, not poor) when you get changed mid game constantly.

I think he is very solid in defense, is fantastic at setting up his outside man (problem is we hardly go down his side). You only have to look at the good first half of this season we barely leaked a try down that edge. Taking the pay argument out I would honestly be fine with him remaining centre with AJ/Talau outside of him next year. I also don't agree with the argument about any laziness, I actually thinks he puts in more than what some other players in this team do.

not a captain though...give it to someone else.

Agree on every point.