Moses Suli

[Needaname]

He scores the fifth try in this game. Number 21.
http://www.go1.weststigers.com.au/news/2016/04/18/match_highlights_hol.html

He scores our first try. Number 4.
http://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2014/03/19/sea_eagles_v_tigers_harold_matthews_rd_5_highlights.html

Scores in this game too, but no idea who is who
http://www.go1.weststigers.com.au/news/2016/04/26/match_highlights_hol.html

Looks like he is number four again in the last clip, scores first on the right edge, also provides a nice flick pass for the winger later in the piece.

Did he come up from the SG ball comp last year?
Why only 2 games?

 

[Pawsandclaws]

:smiley:

What most impressed me with Suli is his defence on the right hand side of the field. The players around him have confidence in his ability to defend. For a young player, his composure impressed me as well as his willingness to take the hard hit ups close to our line. His size and pace speaks for itself but if ever a team needed a specialist right hand centre who is big, fast and can defend, it is WTs. Well done WTs Management.

Wait a second..Does WT's Management include Jason Taylor in this case… 😕

If you feel it necessary to give JT individual ownership of the case :smiley:

 

[palms]

His deal would most definitely include trigger incentives which would bring his potential earning capacity to 1.3mil over 4 seasons. When you take into consideration that the cap will be increasing next year then this kind of value signing will become the norm. In reality he is probably on $200k a year? Play x amount of first grade and we are getting the value out of him anyway.
A mate of mine who is involved in a lot of coaching junior footy has told me that the kid has some insane potential. Bellamy personally rang him after we played the Storm at Leichhardt last year, so that tells you something of his potential.

2018 Backline
1\. Tedesco
2\. Nofoaluma
3\. Idris
4\. Suli
5\. Papenhuyzen
6\. Moses
7\. Brooks

Wow

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Dumb decision

x2 , we haven't learn't nothing with Brooks when he was touted as the next Johns :blah :blah :blah .

The bottom line is he is untried at NRL level and we are not a Club that can afford the luxury of spending such money for a kid who will most likely play lower Grades for the next 2 years .

Hope it all works out and that Harry came to the party with this signing :unamused:

Yep.
If we had a money tree, it might be worth taking a punt on an unknown "star" kid.
But we don't , and we need some quality experience in the club, now!
Not more potential, based on performances in a non tackling lower grade.
What's changed from the sometimes crazy decisions of our past Administrations…..Nothing much, obviously!!

 

[Swordy]

:smiley:

What most impressed me with Suli is his defence on the right hand side of the field. The players around him have confidence in his ability to defend. For a young player, his composure impressed me as well as his willingness to take the hard hit ups close to our line. His size and pace speaks for itself but if ever a team needed a specialist right hand centre who is big, fast and can defend, it is WTs. Well done WTs Management.

Wait a second..Does WT's Management include Jason Taylor in this case… 😕

If you feel it necessary to give JT individual ownership of the case :smiley:

You should know by now Geo that if it turns into a good move, its well done to recruitment and retention and the football manager. If it ends up a dud move, Taylor is a hopeless knob. The same names keep popping up to stir the pot. If we let him go, Taylor was the one who let it happen.

I can think of a few on here that we should tell they are free to look elsewhere at other forums for a better deal.

 

[hammertime]

Maybe this kid is why we only signed idris for a year?

 

[palms]

Well he hasn't been offered $500k a season (which in today's cap would more likely be about $650) like Brooks and Moses were for starters. And the club is the only one that knows the state of our salary cap, not the media who throws darts at a board. There has been no breach notice by the NRL as yet so it's all heresay.

 

[TYGA]

Good move by WT management. Enough of the 1-2 year deals on young players with potential. Back our talent development and scouting and lock players away for 3-4 years. There are some large athletic lads in our NYC this year probably bigger than some past WT first grade squads. We need to keep Simona Idris and this kid would be a huge unknown and we need Naiqama on the wing as Rankin is horrendous.

 

[foreveratiger]

Well he hasn't been offered $500k a season (which in today's cap would more likely be about $650) like Brooks and Moses were for starters. And the club is the only one that knows the state of our salary cap, not the media who throws darts at a board. There has been no breach notice by the NRL as yet so it's all heresay.

You will always have to pay overs for halves, Cleary would be a $700-800k a Season player now.

Only in 2016 can we say we started getting value for Moses….the 2 years before that we had to pay overs for him to gain NRL experience ( basically).

Realistically this kid is only 18 years old and I doubt he will see 1st Grade unless we are hit with injuries, the Club will probably start him in Holden Cup and then maybe 2nd half of the year move him to Reserve Grade to play with Men.

I've seen to many potentially great players in Holden Cup that have been touted as great things to be very average 1st Graders at best Curtis Sironen, Jake Mullaney, Groat, Brooks come to mind.

Massive gamble.

 

[TrueTiger]

If he signed elsewhere everyone would go mad at losing a good prospect in a position we need.

I think these days its easier to judge if a player is going to make it through the physical testing and opposed sessions they do. Of course that doesnt guarantee it, but its more of an educated guess these days, especially when the kids is already in your system like Suli is. We have obviously had a good look at him snd his personality too.

I remember an absolute sensation going to make his debut for the WTs…..superstar written all over him...he lasted twenty minutes and had an injury that took all that season for him to rehabilitate.....I think his name was TEDESCO...how's he going these days...?????.. :smiley:

 

[Pawsandclaws]

:smiley:

What most impressed me with Suli is his defence on the right hand side of the field. The players around him have confidence in his ability to defend. For a young player, his composure impressed me as well as his willingness to take the hard hit ups close to our line. His size and pace speaks for itself but if ever a team needed a specialist right hand centre who is big, fast and can defend, it is WTs. Well done WTs Management.

Wait a second..Does WT's Management include Jason Taylor in this case… 😕

If you feel it necessary to give JT individual ownership of the case :smiley:

You should know by now Geo that if it turns into a good move, its well done to recruitment and retention and the football manager. If it ends up a dud move, Taylor is a hopeless knob. The same names keep popping up to stir the pot. If we let him go, Taylor was the one who let it happen.

I can think of a few on here that we should tell they are free to look elsewhere at other forums for a better deal.

And Swordy you'd be all over the Balmain officials at HM and SG Ball level that have had a role in his identification and development through the years! :smiley:

 

[Geo]

Will be in the top 25 now because of his upgrade for this year?

I don't see anywhere in the SMH article or the Official release from the Wests Tigers that mentions an upgrade..?

 

[Newtown]

If he signed elsewhere everyone would go mad at losing a good prospect in a position we need.

I think these days its easier to judge if a player is going to make it through the physical testing and opposed sessions they do. Of course that doesnt guarantee it, but its more of an educated guess these days, especially when the kids is already in your system like Suli is. We have obviously had a good look at him snd his personality too.

I remember an absolute sensation going to make his debut for the WTs…..superstar written all over him...he lasted twenty minutes and had an injury that took all that season for him to rehabilitate.....I think his name was TEDESCO...how's he going these days...?????.. :smiley:

Some gambles pay off and some don't. What about when WT signed Chris Lawrence to a hefty long term contract whilst he was a representative player. The same year, or possibly the next, he suffers a severe hip dislocation.

 

[Harvey]

He missed the majority of this year through injury. Potential can be a dirty word, and the young blokes need to keep making the effort and not get ahead of themselves despite the big money. A lot of them start to think that greatness will just come.
Filinga was named, Penrith also signed Brent Naden to a big deal as a youngster and also Greg Waddell to a 6 figure deal as a 16 year old (google them). Neither played first grade at all.
Considering the number of players coming off contract at the end of the year, I am not sure that 300k on an 18 year old is money well spent

 

[southerntiger]

Well he hasn't been offered $500k a season (which in today's cap would more likely be about $650) like Brooks and Moses were for starters. And the club is the only one that knows the state of our salary cap, not the media who throws darts at a board. There has been no breach notice by the NRL as yet so it's all heresay.

You will always have to pay overs for halves, Cleary would be a $700-800k a Season player now.

Only in 2016 can we say we started getting value for Moses….the 2 years before that we had to pay overs for him to gain NRL experience ( basically).

Realistically this kid is only 18 years old and I doubt he will see 1st Grade unless we are hit with injuries, the Club will probably start him in Holden Cup and then maybe 2nd half of the year move him to Reserve Grade to play with Men.

I've seen to many potentially great players in Holden Cup that have been touted as great things to be very average 1st Graders at best Curtis Sironen, Jake Mullaney, Groat, Brooks come to mind.

Massive gamble.

From my recollection I don't recall Groat being touted other than by Sheens. His prop partner, Neil Begovich, was touted but he decided a State Cup offer couldn't compete with his own business.

Sironen has struggled with the adjustment from being a 6 in junior footballer to being a second rower in seniors. IMO he still has the ability to be a wonderful footballer and I suspect the change will do him the world of good.

Mullaney was only touted by people who looked at his try scoring record without watching him play. He was not really ever in the clubs plans for first grade, which is why he left.

Brooks has done some amazing things in his first few years of grade. He has done some poor things as well, particularly in defence. No doubt he struggled last year to achieve consistency and relevance in games. But Im certainly not writing him off yet. He has still done some things that 12 year experienced half backs have never done.

When you look at the numbers (and I assume that it is heavily performance based) you realise its not really a gamble at all. He is probably on $200,000 - $250,000 next year, which is high given his age and experience, but there would be a few other young blokes getting similar coin to lock them down.

 

[southerntiger]

He missed the majority of this year through injury. Potential can be a dirty word, and the young blokes need to keep making the effort and not get ahead of themselves despite the big money. A lot of them start to think that greatness will just come.
Filinga was named, Penrith also signed Brent Naden to a big deal as a youngster and also Greg Waddell to a 6 figure deal as a 16 year old (google them). Neither played first grade at all.
Considering the number of players coming off contract at the end of the year, I am not sure that 300k on an 18 year old is money well spent

All three you named were 16 when the offers were made. Suli is 18\. 2 years is a big difference at that age level in working out whether someone is going to make it in firsts.

 

[stryker]

Brooks has done some amazing things in his first few years of grade. He has done some poor things as well, particularly in defence. No doubt he struggled last year to achieve consistency and relevance in games. But Im certainly not writing him off yet. He has still done some things that 12 year experienced half backs have never done.

Care to elaborate on this claim?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

It's safe to say he'll see regular first grade at the very least, therefore he'll go further than some of the other names being mentioned. Whether he lives up to the hype is a completely different story.

Now that's it's sunk in, I'm wondering if the deal is really that bad. Someone calculated his earnings at about 325k per year. Which if true, I don't think is that bad given the cap increase. It's still overs, but nothing crazy. If they see him as the guy to partner Idris long term, I'll trust their judgement. They've earned trust imo given the progress that's been made.

 

[diedpretty]

Will be in the top 25 now because of his upgrade for this year?

I don't see anywhere in the SMH article or the Official release from the Wests Tigers that mentions an upgrade..?

It mentions in this article that it includes an upgrade to his current contract.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/wests-tigers-teen-mosese-suli-signs-recordbreaking-13-million-nrl-deal-20170128-gu0lap

 

[diedpretty]

It's safe to say he'll see regular first grade at the very least, therefore he'll go further than some of the other names being mentioned. Whether he lives up to the hype is a completely different story.

Now that's it's sunk in, I'm wondering if the deal is really that bad. Someone calculated his earnings at about 325k per year. Which if true, I don't think is that bad given the cap increase. It's still overs, but nothing crazy. If they see him as the guy to partner Idris long term, I'll trust their judgement. They've earned trust imo given the progress that's been made.

I reckon its closer to 350K a season - 350k x 3 = 1.05mil plus a 250k upgrade on his current contract.