Nathan Cleary
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GNR4LIFE
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There!0's no conspiracy here. If Nathan plays under his dad, he'll do it here.
innsaneink
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This takes years to cultivate I believe…it doesnt just happen
On Cleary Jnr its a long way away even if anything were to happen - and its a big if - pointless talking about it really
GNR4LIFE
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I don't think it's that unlikely that Gus wraps him up next year. Imagine the meltdown if Nathan re-signs and Brooks flounders.
I'm on the package deal to the Roosters idea. It makes the most sense. Roosters would hold more sentiment to Ivan then Penrith. Who knows we may want another coach by then. I'm of a very strong belief that Gus sacked Ivan because he reached his ceiling. As well respected as Gus is he is also extremely shifty. I believe Gus was trying to encourage Ivan to take a role with an established club because he thinks he doesn't have the tactical nous to take a club to a Gf and knows his strength lies in rebuilding, establishing winning cultures. Having Ivan at WT poses a threat to Penrith especially if the teams success creates an uprising in the west. Anyway just my thoughts. Wouldn't pass on Robinson though if he was looking for another gig and we were ready.
One other thing Nathan plays on the right, right foot kicker. The player everyone thinks he will replace is a left foot kicker and plays on the left of the field. The player currently in that position is with the club till 2022.
Food for thought.
One other thing Nathan plays on the right, right foot kicker. The player everyone thinks he will replace is a left foot kicker and plays on the left of the field. The player currently in that position is with the club till 2022.
Food for thought.
GNR4LIFE
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Christ, why not just release Ivan now then.
PENRITH chief executive Brian Fletcher has thrown a hand grenade back at Wests Tigers coach Ivan Cleary, questioning if Nathan Cleary would want to join his father at a club “that might not be a chance of winning a comp”.
A week after losing Matt Moylan to Cronulla in a swap for James Maloney, Ivan Cleary this week put more heat on Penrith when he revealed that he and his son had basically come “to the opinion that we’d like to play together” at some stage in the future.
Penrith expect to finalise the deal with Maloney in the coming days and how he combines with Nathan Cleary next year could well determine if the young halfback stays.
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Cleary’s contract with Penrith still hasn’t been sorted. (AAP Image/Daniel Munoz)
The Daily Telegraph can also reveal that three months after Penrith opened negotiations to extend Nathan Cleary’s deal for a further five years, nothing has advanced.
While the 20-year-old still has two years to run on his current deal at Penrith, he will become a free agent on November 1 next year.
Interestingly, Ivan Cleary said this week “we’re not thinking about it too much right now. Probably in 12 months time it will be more relevant.”
Fletcher told The Daily Telegraph back in August that the club had started negotiations to try and extend Nathan’s deal until the end of 2024.
Asked if those negotiations had advanced, Fletcher said: “No. We just started talking to his manager, nothing has progressed since.
“For no reason, we just haven’t got around to it and we are just sort of waiting to sort the cap out going forward.”
Fletcher said Phil Gould handled contract negotiations and talks would probably resume after Christmas, or sometime next year.
It’s no secret Gould and Ivan Cleary’s relationship all but ended the moment Gould sacked Cleary as Penrith coach, with Gould claiming Cleary was “tired”.
There has also been continued speculation of unrest at Penrith between some players and coach Anthony Griffin that culminated in Moylan’s exit.
Fletcher conceded Cleary’s loyalty to his father would be “pretty hard to beat” when it comes to securing the gun halfback’s future.
Asked if Cleary’s comments this week were a concern for Penrith, Fletcher said: “Well, we can’t do anything about that.
“That is up to his old man and Nathan and his management, isn’t it? We will talk to him well prior (to Nathan becoming a free agent).
“Gus has spoken to him. Gus would be well advanced on what has to happen.
“All indications that we have had is that Nathan would probably like to extend his contract if his management is agreeable with what they come up with.
“You have got to keep him but if he wants to go and play with his dad, well, you could understand that too.
“We’d do everything in our power to keep him but family loyalty is pretty hard to beat.”
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Is Cleary stirring trouble at his former employers? (AAP Image/Dan Himbrechts)
But Fletcher said it could also come down to if Nathan Cleary wanted to play with a successful club.
“Just say for instance if Penrith finish in the top four and Wests finish in the last four, do you want to go to a club that is a chance of winning a comp?” Fletcher said.
“Do you want to go to a club that might not be a chance of winning a comp? Or yes, you go there because it is your dad.
“I understand the loyalty. He is just a great kid.
“We wouldn’t be tying him down and making him uncomfortable at all. All we want to do is give him a very comfortable contract to go forward.”
A week after losing Matt Moylan to Cronulla in a swap for James Maloney, Ivan Cleary this week put more heat on Penrith when he revealed that he and his son had basically come “to the opinion that we’d like to play together” at some stage in the future.
Penrith expect to finalise the deal with Maloney in the coming days and how he combines with Nathan Cleary next year could well determine if the young halfback stays.
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Cleary’s contract with Penrith still hasn’t been sorted. (AAP Image/Daniel Munoz)
The Daily Telegraph can also reveal that three months after Penrith opened negotiations to extend Nathan Cleary’s deal for a further five years, nothing has advanced.
While the 20-year-old still has two years to run on his current deal at Penrith, he will become a free agent on November 1 next year.
Interestingly, Ivan Cleary said this week “we’re not thinking about it too much right now. Probably in 12 months time it will be more relevant.”
Fletcher told The Daily Telegraph back in August that the club had started negotiations to try and extend Nathan’s deal until the end of 2024.
Asked if those negotiations had advanced, Fletcher said: “No. We just started talking to his manager, nothing has progressed since.
“For no reason, we just haven’t got around to it and we are just sort of waiting to sort the cap out going forward.”
Fletcher said Phil Gould handled contract negotiations and talks would probably resume after Christmas, or sometime next year.
It’s no secret Gould and Ivan Cleary’s relationship all but ended the moment Gould sacked Cleary as Penrith coach, with Gould claiming Cleary was “tired”.
There has also been continued speculation of unrest at Penrith between some players and coach Anthony Griffin that culminated in Moylan’s exit.
Fletcher conceded Cleary’s loyalty to his father would be “pretty hard to beat” when it comes to securing the gun halfback’s future.
Asked if Cleary’s comments this week were a concern for Penrith, Fletcher said: “Well, we can’t do anything about that.
“That is up to his old man and Nathan and his management, isn’t it? We will talk to him well prior (to Nathan becoming a free agent).
“Gus has spoken to him. Gus would be well advanced on what has to happen.
“All indications that we have had is that Nathan would probably like to extend his contract if his management is agreeable with what they come up with.
“You have got to keep him but if he wants to go and play with his dad, well, you could understand that too.
“We’d do everything in our power to keep him but family loyalty is pretty hard to beat.”
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Is Cleary stirring trouble at his former employers? (AAP Image/Dan Himbrechts)
But Fletcher said it could also come down to if Nathan Cleary wanted to play with a successful club.
“Just say for instance if Penrith finish in the top four and Wests finish in the last four, do you want to go to a club that is a chance of winning a comp?” Fletcher said.
“Do you want to go to a club that might not be a chance of winning a comp? Or yes, you go there because it is your dad.
“I understand the loyalty. He is just a great kid.
“We wouldn’t be tying him down and making him uncomfortable at all. All we want to do is give him a very comfortable contract to go forward.”
GNR4LIFE
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He sounds a bit flustered.
GNR4LIFE
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I don't get your point. It's all baseless.
GNR4LIFE
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The bottom 4 comment is Grant Mayer level unproffesionalism.
mightymagpie
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‘…if Penrith finish in the Top 4 and Wests finish in the last 4....’
Well it could be the other way around. Unlikely I know but every year there’s a top team that flops are a lower team that goes above expectations. We’ll see what happens.
On bit of a tangent but does anyone else think Griffin is bit of a hack as a NRL coach? Couldn’t do the job at the Broncos and is now benefiting from what Cleary built at Penrith.
Can’t wait for 2018 season
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Yes . Good timing as well with Fletcher saying Gould is on holidays and Nathan's five year extension was never finalised because it's with Gus and he's looking at the whole cap. Penrith fans will be now pointing the finger at Gus and Gus will be thanking the CEO for throwing him under the bus while he was away on hols.
Personally I think it's probably Ivan telling Nathan and his manager to hold out. But it was good to hear other clubs front office scrambling and finger pointing. We've had our share of that, when Isaac Moses managed some WTs players.
Go, Pascoe and Cleary seem to have the club heading in the right direction and we have started to get some positive press of late.
