National anthem

[cochise]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Lol as if ACA viewership is a good representation of Australian views. May as well have been done on Sky news.

It is the only one we have at present, to represent the country - the Aboriginal community is hardly a representation of the whole Nation that Cochise is putting up as positive.

What rubbish, where did I state that the indigenous community is a representation of the whole nation? You really do love a strawman don't you?

You didn't but by implication you are saying they are positive about it. You named two people as a positive - I think the ACA survey is more than 2.

Really? Once again you are misrepresenting what I said

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

How does this post in anyway imply that the indigenous community is indictive of the entire nation? The fact I used the term some support supports me only naming 2 people who have spoken with positivity. I didn't say the nation supported the decision, I didn't state the entire indigenous community supported the decision. I said the decision was getting some support which by naming 2 people I have proven. Stop with the strawman arguments as it makes you look foolish.

 

[cochise]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

 

[Masterton]

Where did I say “dictate what a group of people should be happy with”

You literally said it.

 

[happy_tiger]

Nothing you can or will do will make everyone happy

Basically they rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic

Maybe a new song altogether ...do it Eurovision style ...... song that gets the most votes is the new anthem

Yeah that’s how you end up with things “Boaty McBoatfacem” as a name for an Research Ship. A popular vote is not the way to go.

Then we tar and feather all the idiot voters ...win Win I say

 

[earl]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

This is good.

 

[earl]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

I disagree with this. We should bend consistently to try and ensure we have a healthy relationship with our Indigenous people.

 

[twentyforty]

It’s disappointing that some folk find our national anthem offensive. If we continue to change the anthem because some don’t like a word here or there then we will eventually lose our identity.

 

[Russell]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

 

[cochise]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

 

[Harvey]

Nothing you can or will do will make everyone happy

Basically they rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic

Maybe a new song altogether ...do it Eurovision style ...... song that gets the most votes is the new anthem

Each of the diverse backgrounds in the country can provide their own song, we can vote on it and the losers can spend the next 50 years whinging about how the song excludes them and agitating for change.

 

[Russell]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

 

[mike]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

 

[Russell]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

 

[cochise]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

So you would like a plebiscite to change one word?

 

[mike]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

The reality is it doesn’t work that way for minor changes to the existing National Anthem. A referendum would be need to replace the National Anthem and currently there is no appetite by any major party to do so.

 

[cochise]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

The reality is it doesn’t work that way for minor changes to the existing National Anthem. A referendum would be need to replace the National Anthem and currently there is no appetite by any major party to do so.

It doesn't need a referendum to change the anthem as it is not in the constitution, a plebiscite could be used but they don't really mean much anyway.

 

[Russell]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

So you would like a plebiscite to change one word?

I would like the people to decide - not the PM or GG etc.

This could be achieved by adding a section to the general election papers.

It is too costly to run a referendum by itself.

 

[BAGNF05]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

We elect people to make decisions. Not everyone will agree with all decisions made. Pretty simple really.

 

[mike]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

The reality is it doesn’t work that way for minor changes to the existing National Anthem. A referendum would be need to replace the National Anthem and currently there is no appetite by any major party to do so.

It doesn't need a referendum to change the anthem as it is not in the constitution, a plebiscite could be used but they don't really mean much anyway.

You are right. At least a plebiscite would give people a non binding say. Anyway no major party is going to touch for now.

 

[Russell]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

The reality is it doesn’t work that way for minor changes to the existing National Anthem. A referendum would be need to replace the National Anthem and currently there is no appetite by any major party to do so.

It doesn't need a referendum to change the anthem as it is not in the constitution, a plebiscite could be used but they don't really mean much anyway.

You are right. At least a plebiscite would give people a non binding say. Anyway no major party is going to touch for now.

Exactly - now it will go to the back burner.