National anthem

[Hangonaminute]

Just read an article that Mundine and Latrell aren't happy about it being sung in native tongue because they haven't changed any words.
From my understanding there's a push to change the word "young" (and free) to "one"

The article goes on to quote Latrell, here's the quote
“I stand for us, our mob! Be proud of the oldest living culture".

So they want to change the word to "one" which is a more inclusive word for all Australians.
But in the next breath Latrell uses the terms "us" and "our mob" (referring to indigenous people I assume)

So which is it, are we ONE or is it US and OUR MOB? I'm confused.
You can't talk about changing the language to be more inclusive then in the next sentence refer to yourself as US and OUR MOB.

When I use the word US I'm referring to ALL Australians, when Latrell uses it he's referring to Indigenous people of Australia only.
To me, that isn't ONE

 

[cochise]

Just read an article that Mundine and Latrell aren't happy about it being sung in native tongue because they haven't changed any words.
From my understanding there's a push to change the word "young" (and free) to "one"

The article goes on to quote Latrell, here's the quote
“I stand for us, our mob! Be proud of the oldest living culture".

So they want to change the word to "one" which is a more inclusive word for all Australians.
But in the next breath Latrell uses the terms "us" and "our mob" (referring to indigenous people I assume)

So which is it, are we ONE or is it US and OUR MOB? I'm confused.
You can't talk about changing the language to be more inclusive then in the next sentence refer to yourself as US and OUR MOB.

When I use the word US I'm referring to ALL Australians, when Latrell uses it he's referring to Indigenous people of Australia only.
To me, that isn't ONE

I do understand his point about translating something that people find offensive into their native tongue doesn't take away what they find offensive so the problem is still there.

 

[coivtny]

Just read an article that Mundine and Latrell aren't happy about it being sung in native tongue because they haven't changed any words.
From my understanding there's a push to change the word "young" (and free) to "one"

The article goes on to quote Latrell, here's the quote
“I stand for us, our mob! Be proud of the oldest living culture".

So they want to change the word to "one" which is a more inclusive word for all Australians.
But in the next breath Latrell uses the terms "us" and "our mob" (referring to indigenous people I assume)

So which is it, are we ONE or is it US and OUR MOB? I'm confused.
You can't talk about changing the language to be more inclusive then in the next sentence refer to yourself as US and OUR MOB.

When I use the word US I'm referring to ALL Australians, when Latrell uses it he's referring to Indigenous people of Australia only.
To me, that isn't ONE

I do understand his point about translating something that people find offensive into their native tongue doesn't take away what they find offensive so the problem is still there.

Yeh, me too, but I would have thought he could have been a little gracious and acknowledge a step in the right direction. He could have then added that a few minor word changes would make the anthem more inclusive for first nations people. There are ways of getting people across to your point of view but I don't think Latrell knows any of them.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

Mundine and Latrell as spokespersons for the indigenous community what could possibly go wrong????

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Change the wording . Or the song . Whatever . Just stop with the divisive stuff. If this is going to make people a little closer , then I’m all for it.
But the issue is , many people , don’t believe this will be more inclusive . Many believe , it will just shift to the next thing .
I personally , hope that , at some point when enough , social change has happened , that people will finally look in the mirror , no matter what ethnicity you are , and understand a lot of your issues are yours alone .
But in saying all that ,everything is undone, by some donkey yelling racist crap from thier soap box .
It’s a nuanced issue , with many things being people playing the victim , whilst many more being true racism and bigotry.
I just hope we can sort it out and concentrate on fixing the planet , so my kids and thier kids , can have as good a life as we all have had .

 

[TigerWest]

Just read an article that Mundine and Latrell aren't happy about it being sung in native tongue because they haven't changed any words.
From my understanding there's a push to change the word "young" (and free) to "one"

The article goes on to quote Latrell, here's the quote
“I stand for us, our mob! Be proud of the oldest living culture".

So they want to change the word to "one" which is a more inclusive word for all Australians.
But in the next breath Latrell uses the terms "us" and "our mob" (referring to indigenous people I assume)

So which is it, are we ONE or is it US and OUR MOB? I'm confused.
You can't talk about changing the language to be more inclusive then in the next sentence refer to yourself as US and OUR MOB.

When I use the word US I'm referring to ALL Australians, when Latrell uses it he's referring to Indigenous people of Australia only.
To me, that isn't ONE

I do understand his point about translating something that people find offensive into their native tongue doesn't take away what they find offensive so the problem is still there.

But who finds it offensive? Latrell and Mundine, surprise, surprise. They haven’t done to badly with their lives and good luck to them, the nation can offer this to everyone, but not everyone will get it.

For me, Latrell needs to realise we are one, and a multicultural one, we have to be more than just indigenous and whites and I believe we are.

He doesn’t like some wording, but if we accept his wording, then what happens when someone else says they don’t like it?

 

[cochise]

Just read an article that Mundine and Latrell aren't happy about it being sung in native tongue because they haven't changed any words.
From my understanding there's a push to change the word "young" (and free) to "one"

The article goes on to quote Latrell, here's the quote
“I stand for us, our mob! Be proud of the oldest living culture".

So they want to change the word to "one" which is a more inclusive word for all Australians.
But in the next breath Latrell uses the terms "us" and "our mob" (referring to indigenous people I assume)

So which is it, are we ONE or is it US and OUR MOB? I'm confused.
You can't talk about changing the language to be more inclusive then in the next sentence refer to yourself as US and OUR MOB.

When I use the word US I'm referring to ALL Australians, when Latrell uses it he's referring to Indigenous people of Australia only.
To me, that isn't ONE

I do understand his point about translating something that people find offensive into their native tongue doesn't take away what they find offensive so the problem is still there.

Yeh, me too, but I would have thought he could have been a little gracious and acknowledge a step in the right direction. He could have then added that a few minor word changes would make the anthem more inclusive for first nations people. There are ways of getting people across to your point of view but I don't think Latrell knows any of them.

I don't think the push is for a few minor changes to words, the Anthem probably needs to change.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

They can sing 'one' instead of 'young' in their native tongue if they fancy.....no-one would notice the difference.
I'll continue to sing 'young' thanks.
Latrell is too stupid for his own good, hope he's been on a steady diet of KFC in the offseason so he can kill it at training like earlier this year.

 

[TigerWest]

Just read an article that Mundine and Latrell aren't happy about it being sung in native tongue because they haven't changed any words.
From my understanding there's a push to change the word "young" (and free) to "one"

The article goes on to quote Latrell, here's the quote
“I stand for us, our mob! Be proud of the oldest living culture".

So they want to change the word to "one" which is a more inclusive word for all Australians.
But in the next breath Latrell uses the terms "us" and "our mob" (referring to indigenous people I assume)

So which is it, are we ONE or is it US and OUR MOB? I'm confused.
You can't talk about changing the language to be more inclusive then in the next sentence refer to yourself as US and OUR MOB.

When I use the word US I'm referring to ALL Australians, when Latrell uses it he's referring to Indigenous people of Australia only.
To me, that isn't ONE

I do understand his point about translating something that people find offensive into their native tongue doesn't take away what they find offensive so the problem is still there.

Yeh, me too, but I would have thought he could have been a little gracious and acknowledge a step in the right direction. He could have then added that a few minor word changes would make the anthem more inclusive for first nations people. There are ways of getting people across to your point of view but I don't think Latrell knows any of them.

I don't think the push is for a few minor changes to words, the Anthem probably needs to change.

Why? Because Latrell doesn’t like some of the wording, I thought the Rugby Union rendition was fantastic.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Just read an article that Mundine and Latrell aren't happy about it being sung in native tongue because they haven't changed any words.
From my understanding there's a push to change the word "young" (and free) to "one"

The article goes on to quote Latrell, here's the quote
“I stand for us, our mob! Be proud of the oldest living culture".

So they want to change the word to "one" which is a more inclusive word for all Australians.
But in the next breath Latrell uses the terms "us" and "our mob" (referring to indigenous people I assume)

So which is it, are we ONE or is it US and OUR MOB? I'm confused.
You can't talk about changing the language to be more inclusive then in the next sentence refer to yourself as US and OUR MOB.

When I use the word US I'm referring to ALL Australians, when Latrell uses it he's referring to Indigenous people of Australia only.
To me, that isn't ONE

I do understand his point about translating something that people find offensive into their native tongue doesn't take away what they find offensive so the problem is still there.

But who finds it offensive? Latrell and Mundine, surprise, surprise. They haven’t done to badly with their lives and good luck to them, the nation can offer this to everyone, but not everyone will get it.

For me, Latrell needs to realise we are one, and a multicultural one, we have to be more than just indigenous and whites and I believe we are.

He doesn’t like some wording, but if we accept his wording, then what happens when someone else says they don’t like it?

Inglis wants to change it to "for we are drunk and speed" apparently.

 

[cochise]

Just read an article that Mundine and Latrell aren't happy about it being sung in native tongue because they haven't changed any words.
From my understanding there's a push to change the word "young" (and free) to "one"

The article goes on to quote Latrell, here's the quote
“I stand for us, our mob! Be proud of the oldest living culture".

So they want to change the word to "one" which is a more inclusive word for all Australians.
But in the next breath Latrell uses the terms "us" and "our mob" (referring to indigenous people I assume)

So which is it, are we ONE or is it US and OUR MOB? I'm confused.
You can't talk about changing the language to be more inclusive then in the next sentence refer to yourself as US and OUR MOB.

When I use the word US I'm referring to ALL Australians, when Latrell uses it he's referring to Indigenous people of Australia only.
To me, that isn't ONE

I do understand his point about translating something that people find offensive into their native tongue doesn't take away what they find offensive so the problem is still there.

Yeh, me too, but I would have thought he could have been a little gracious and acknowledge a step in the right direction. He could have then added that a few minor word changes would make the anthem more inclusive for first nations people. There are ways of getting people across to your point of view but I don't think Latrell knows any of them.

I don't think the push is for a few minor changes to words, the Anthem probably needs to change.

Why? Because Latrell doesn’t like some of the wording, I thought the Rugby Union rendition was fantastic.

This is not just Latrell raising this, there are other indigenous groups that don't feel represented by or are offended by the national anthem. I don't think it is too difficult to listen and show respect to a group of people that have connections to this country that date back 40-60000 years.

 

[OzLuke]

For some of the bigger activists, it doesn't matter how much change comes about it never seems like it's enough.
For this to happen it is a huge step in the right direction. Is it perfect? No it probably isn't but man it shows that change is happening.

 

[Geo]

Change it to we are one and we are many from all the lands we come..

 

[Aceshigh]

I think One and free should be sufficient, everybody as One is what the country should be about, I have the utmost respect for the indigenous but it’s time that we became One moving forward and never forget anyones past , If we keep going the way we are it will be change the name Australia next

 

[Don Kershane]

A National Anthem should be uplifting ,inspiring and embraced by the whole population. The current one is flat as a pancake and somewhat cringeworthy and hardly uplifting at all.

 

[hobbo1]

Change it to we are one and we are many from all the lands we come..

Still needs an Oi , Oi , Oi at the end

 

[bathursttiger1]

Change it to we are one and we are many from all the lands we come..

Is that from The Seekers “We are Australian”?

 

[OzLuke]

A National Anthem should be uplifting ,inspiring and embraced by the whole population. The current one is flat as a pancake and somewhat cringeworthy and hardly uplifting at all.

So what would your alternative be? Not trying to be argumentative just genuinely interested.
Anything that anybody comes up with nowadays would be slammed from pillar to post because it doesn't "represent them"....I agree that our current one doesn't sit well with our indigenous population but what fits them doesn't fit me, and what fits me doesn't fit you etc.....

 

[coivtny]

Just read an article that Mundine and Latrell aren't happy about it being sung in native tongue because they haven't changed any words.
From my understanding there's a push to change the word "young" (and free) to "one"

The article goes on to quote Latrell, here's the quote
“I stand for us, our mob! Be proud of the oldest living culture".

So they want to change the word to "one" which is a more inclusive word for all Australians.
But in the next breath Latrell uses the terms "us" and "our mob" (referring to indigenous people I assume)

So which is it, are we ONE or is it US and OUR MOB? I'm confused.
You can't talk about changing the language to be more inclusive then in the next sentence refer to yourself as US and OUR MOB.

When I use the word US I'm referring to ALL Australians, when Latrell uses it he's referring to Indigenous people of Australia only.
To me, that isn't ONE

I do understand his point about translating something that people find offensive into their native tongue doesn't take away what they find offensive so the problem is still there.

Yeh, me too, but I would have thought he could have been a little gracious and acknowledge a step in the right direction. He could have then added that a few minor word changes would make the anthem more inclusive for first nations people. There are ways of getting people across to your point of view but I don't think Latrell knows any of them.

I don't think the push is for a few minor changes to words, the Anthem probably needs to change.

Can't see the anthem changing completely and can't see any reason why it should but I would happy to consider minor changes to wording to make it more inclusive. Bob Hawke made changes in the eighties to change "sons" to "all". That was a sensible and well-accepted change.

 

[Lauren]

Just read an article that Mundine and Latrell aren't happy about it being sung in native tongue because they haven't changed any words.
From my understanding there's a push to change the word "young" (and free) to "one"

The article goes on to quote Latrell, here's the quote
“I stand for us, our mob! Be proud of the oldest living culture".

So they want to change the word to "one" which is a more inclusive word for all Australians.
But in the next breath Latrell uses the terms "us" and "our mob" (referring to indigenous people I assume)

So which is it, are we ONE or is it US and OUR MOB? I'm confused.
You can't talk about changing the language to be more inclusive then in the next sentence refer to yourself as US and OUR MOB.

When I use the word US I'm referring to ALL Australians, when Latrell uses it he's referring to Indigenous people of Australia only.
To me, that isn't ONE

This is the most tiring argument ever, and it's usually because I don't even think half the people in it even realise why they're having it or it's easily taken out of context.
Whether the word "mob" or "us" is used in his statement or not, even I can understand that the emphasis is on advocating for the inclusion of Aboriginal people or culture in the anthem.
I don't know why people are offended by something that points out the truth. There is nothing in our anthem that acknowledges our Indigenous Australians and I honestly wish we were more like New Zealand and integrated our First Nations people.