New coach.. Who should we target?

[WT2K]

Taupau has praised the impact of coach Michael Maguire ahead of the upcoming Test against Australia
https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/10/08/taupau-lauds-maguire-influence/
If you get the tigers job, Madge.. Bring Marty back to the tigers..

 

[newtiger]

If Cleary is gone for 2019/20 and that will only happen if negotiations pan out in our favour, then for the life of me I can't understand why Geoff Toovey doesn't get more of a mention on this thread.

There's got to be an investigation.

 

[NT_Tiger]

If Cleary is gone for 2019/20 and that will only happen if negotiations pan out in our favour, then for the life of me I can't understand why Geoff Toovey doesn't get more of a mention on this thread.

The answer is in the intense interest in Toovey as a great coach.

 

[happy_tiger]

If Cleary is gone for 2019/20 and that will only happen if negotiations pan out in our favour, then for the life of me I can't understand why Geoff Toovey doesn't get more of a mention on this thread.

There's got to be an investigation.

My understanding was until Bennett name came onto the picture he was number 2 choice behind Maguire

 

[851]

If Cleary is gone for 2019/20 and that will only happen if negotiations pan out in our favour, then for the life of me I can't understand why Geoff Toovey doesn't get more of a mention on this thread.

There's got to be an investigation.

My understanding was until Bennett name came onto the picture he was number 2 choice behind Maguire

Interesting Happy, coming from a queenslander you may have heard something we didn't.

 

[barra]

Wests Tigers announce 2019 player movements
Author Dan Talintyre Timestamp Mon 8 Oct 2018, 02:58 PM
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Wests Tigers have today confirmed three player movements with Dylan Smith, Sam McIntyre and Thomas Mikaele to join the club's Top 30 NRL squad in 2019…............

I guess no Oates or TPJ...

…unless we do offload McQueen and Rochow...

 

[happy_tiger]

If Cleary is gone for 2019/20 and that will only happen if negotiations pan out in our favour, then for the life of me I can't understand why Geoff Toovey doesn't get more of a mention on this thread.

There's got to be an investigation.

My understanding was until Bennett name came onto the picture he was number 2 choice behind Maguire

Interesting Happy, coming from a queenslander you may have heard something we didn't.

Nah it all came from Blueslanders

I haven't heard anything different from Cleary coaching possibly in 2019

 

[851]

There's got to be an investigation.

My understanding was until Bennett name came onto the picture he was number 2 choice behind Maguire

Interesting Happy, coming from a queenslander you may have heard something we didn't.

Nah it all came from Blueslanders

I haven't heard anything different from Cleary coaching possibly in 2019

Crikey I hope he isn't, I think he can coach, but the media attention we would attract would be out of control, he has to go, he has never once fully committed to us throughout this whole ordeal, which he brought upon us. That statement he read out was far from convincing, and nothing since, his heart is already at the riff

 

[jirskyr]

I am not sold on Maguire. Has a similar pedigree to Potter, except he came home to a decent side.

Lost the dressing room within 2 years.

Madge is a noted overtrainer , you get results for 2 seasons and the players burn out …..

Dont you think a coach can improve?

He was sacked for that flaw. If he can accept the blame and look to improve himself i dont see why he cant become a career coach.

I agree and this was my thinking today. You can criticise Maguire but he won a comp - I'll take a few seasons of over-training if one of them jags a premiership.

But more than that, a coach can improve just as a player can, and old mistakes are not necessarily repeated. In fact he'd arguably be wiser for the experience.

 

[Glennb]

I am not sold on Maguire. Has a similar pedigree to Potter, except he came home to a decent side.

Lost the dressing room within 2 years.

Madge is a noted overtrainer , you get results for 2 seasons and the players burn out …..

Dont you think a coach can improve?

He was sacked for that flaw. If he can accept the blame and look to improve himself i dont see why he cant become a career coach.

I agree and this was my thinking today. You can criticise Maguire but he won a comp - I'll take a few seasons of over-training if one of them jags a premiership.

But more than that, a coach can improve just as a player can, and old mistakes are not necessarily repeated. In fact he'd arguably be wiser for the experience.

Maguire was gifted the perfect tools for his rigid game plan, a massive mobile pack. I've seen no evidence that he has an effective plan B, in fact with all the talk of "over training" etc that has been given for Maguires demmise, for mine what stood out with his team is they NEVER had a plan B when plan A of running over the top of sides didnt work. Suffice to say if Maguire came to the Tigers, he would not have the personnel to adopt those tactics and would need to come up with something new.

Over 30 years of coaching Bennett has chopped, changed and adapted masterfully and his continuiing career is testimony to that fact. Of the two, I have more faith that Bennett woud be able to come up with a plan for this team.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Madge is a noted overtrainer , you get results for 2 seasons and the players burn out …..

Dont you think a coach can improve?

He was sacked for that flaw. If he can accept the blame and look to improve himself i dont see why he cant become a career coach.

I agree and this was my thinking today. You can criticise Maguire but he won a comp - I'll take a few seasons of over-training if one of them jags a premiership.

But more than that, a coach can improve just as a player can, and old mistakes are not necessarily repeated. In fact he'd arguably be wiser for the experience.

Maguire was gifted the perfect tools for his rigid game plan, a massive mobile pack. I've seen no evidence that he has an effective plan B, in fact with all the talk of "over training" etc that has been given for Maguires demmise, for mine what stood out with his team is they NEVER had a plan B when plan A of running over the top of sides didnt work. Suffice to say if Maguire came to the Tigers, he would not have the personnel to adopt those tactics and would need to come up with something new.

Over 30 years of coaching Bennett has chopped, changed and adapted masterfully and his continuiing career is testimony to that fact. Of the two, I have more faith that Bennett woud be able to come up with a plan for this team.

I think that is a good assessment, although I'm not really a fan of Bennett at this stage of his career.

 

[innsaneink]

Any good coach that's new to a club I'm sure would try and play to the squads strengths whatever they may be… And build from there... I'm sure Madge would go along those lines somewhat and not try and make us another souths/power game like he did 4 years back

 

[Tcat]

Madge is a noted overtrainer , you get results for 2 seasons and the players burn out …..

Dont you think a coach can improve?

He was sacked for that flaw. If he can accept the blame and look to improve himself i dont see why he cant become a career coach.

I agree and this was my thinking today. You can criticise Maguire but he won a comp - I'll take a few seasons of over-training if one of them jags a premiership.

But more than that, a coach can improve just as a player can, and old mistakes are not necessarily repeated. In fact he'd arguably be wiser for the experience.

Maguire was gifted the perfect tools for his rigid game plan, a massive mobile pack. I've seen no evidence that he has an effective plan B, in fact with all the talk of "over training" etc that has been given for Maguires demmise, for mine what stood out with his team is they NEVER had a plan B when plan A of running over the top of sides didnt work. Suffice to say if Maguire came to the Tigers, he would not have the personnel to adopt those tactics and would need to come up with something new.

Over 30 years of coaching Bennett has chopped, changed and adapted masterfully and his continuiing career is testimony to that fact. Of the two, I have more faith that Bennett woud be able to come up with a plan for this team.

I think our club has been blessed with fairly easy pre-seasons in the past. A bit of over training wouldnt hurt a few in the squad. They are first graders, get paid plenty of money and need to suck it up. I do hope tho that Maguire learns from the past, adopts a smarter game plan and surrounds himself with good people.

 

[Geo]

Any good coach that's new to a club I'm sure would try and play to the squads strengths whatever they may be… And build from there... I'm sure Madge would go along those lines somewhat and not try and make us another souths/power game like he did 4 years back

Yeah but what strengths do we have…early season success was built on grinding and turning up in d ..as you pointed out many times very hard to maintain that week to week in the NRL...

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Madge is a noted overtrainer , you get results for 2 seasons and the players burn out …..

Dont you think a coach can improve?

He was sacked for that flaw. If he can accept the blame and look to improve himself i dont see why he cant become a career coach.

I agree and this was my thinking today. You can criticise Maguire but he won a comp - I'll take a few seasons of over-training if one of them jags a premiership.

But more than that, a coach can improve just as a player can, and old mistakes are not necessarily repeated. In fact he'd arguably be wiser for the experience.

Maguire was gifted the perfect tools for his rigid game plan, a massive mobile pack. I've seen no evidence that he has an effective plan B, in fact with all the talk of "over training" etc that has been given for Maguires demmise, for mine what stood out with his team is they NEVER had a plan B when plan A of running over the top of sides didnt work. Suffice to say if Maguire came to the Tigers, he would not have the personnel to adopt those tactics and would need to come up with something new.

Over 30 years of coaching Bennett has chopped, changed and adapted masterfully and his continuiing career is testimony to that fact. Of the two, I have more faith that Bennett woud be able to come up with a plan for this team.

I believe you have very nicely summed up Maguire's shortcomings. The best that one very fair Souths' supporter could say was that Maguire's coaching revolved around fitness. Hardly complimentary and if we go down this path disaster awaits. The Board need to take on Bennett even if it is 2020\. We need his tactics, communication skills and corporate and player pulling power.

 

[innsaneink]

I dunno….our strengths I guess are

- we scramble well but cohesion overall in defense needs work and we need to improve on tackles 1, 2 & 3.
- we can get down to the red zone easy enough but struggle for ideas once there.

 

[Telltails]

Madge is a noted overtrainer , you get results for 2 seasons and the players burn out …..

Dont you think a coach can improve?

He was sacked for that flaw. If he can accept the blame and look to improve himself i dont see why he cant become a career coach.

I agree and this was my thinking today. You can criticise Maguire but he won a comp - I'll take a few seasons of over-training if one of them jags a premiership.

But more than that, a coach can improve just as a player can, and old mistakes are not necessarily repeated. In fact he'd arguably be wiser for the experience.

Maguire was gifted the perfect tools for his rigid game plan, a massive mobile pack. I've seen no evidence that he has an effective plan B, in fact with all the talk of "over training" etc that has been given for Maguires demmise, for mine what stood out with his team is they NEVER had a plan B when plan A of running over the top of sides didnt work. Suffice to say if Maguire came to the Tigers, he would not have the personnel to adopt those tactics and would need to come up with something new.

Over 30 years of coaching Bennett has chopped, changed and adapted masterfully and his continuiing career is testimony to that fact. Of the two, I have more faith that Bennett woud be able to come up with a plan for this team.

Bennett has benefitted by consistently having access to some of the best squads/players in the modern era that have attributed to his success.
He will be taking on a team and club at nearly 70 that doesnt resemble anything close to what he is accustomed to, and on massive dollars.
Wrong timing for us IMO and the level of expectation on him to produce will be extreme.
We should be considering what his performance was like at Newcastle because the Broncos as an organisation and talent pool are light years away from where we are - and my recollection was a frustrated and angry coach.
Without discounting anything that eithet coach has achieved critiquing Maguire as being gifted with the perfect squad seems to be a bit one sided when you consider what Bennett has had access to continously throughout his career.

 

[tiga4eva]

Sheens came here after an unsuccessful stint at the Cows. Many said “he can’t Coach without Stuart,Daley,Clyde, Meninga”etc. Only half of the current crop of NRL. Coaches have won a Premiership. Coachs can reinvent themselves

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Ever notice the people who always dispute Bennett as the greatest coach ever because of the luxuries he's had, never offer up an alternative. Same goes with Bellamy. Very fast to shoot them down, but very slow to offer up anyone better.

 

[Geo]

Ever notice the people who always dispute Bennett as the greatest coach ever because of the luxuries he's had, never offer up an alternative. Same goes with Bellamy. Very fast to shoot them down, but very slow to offer up anyone better.

Jack Gibson always left Clubs in a better state than he found them…