Newcastle Knights Chris Houston on drug charges

[southerntiger]

Nope but I have lost someone to cigarettes, heart attack (too much cholestorol - this is actually probably the biggest vice in society at the moment), suicide and range of other things. What's your point?

 

[tomcat]

leave it for another day mate.

 

[BRET]

I think the point is that people having the attitude that illegal drugs are socially acceptable is what makes problems like this. I am suprised Southerntiger that you say each to their own. There is no way illegal drugs can go on without it affecting others. It affects others in countless ways for example - raised crime rates due to users needing money to feed the habit, the risk to unborn children in the womb by drug addicted mothers to be, the parenting of children by drug affected parents, the heartache of families seeing loved ones deteriorate or even die. Oh and then there is also the altered state of mind where they go out thinking they are invincible and get behind the wheels of a car or work machinery, then the violence too. Every drug user is affecting others in one way or another.

The attitudes of people need to change so that it isn't something tolerated by society. If this change doesn't come, before we know it these drugs will be just another drug legalised/accepted like a ciggie or beer.

 

[southerntiger]

Back on topic dudes… no need to fling poo at each other.

This is a good fun discussion. No poo flinging from my perspective.

 

[southerntiger]

I think the point is that people having the attitude that illegal drugs are socially acceptable is what makes problems like this. I am suprised Southerntiger that you say each to their own. There is no way illegal drugs can go on without it affecting others. It affects others in countless ways for example - raised crime rates due to users needing money to feed the habit, the risk to unborn children in the womb by drug addicted mothers to be, the parenting of children by drug affected parents, the heartache of families seeing loved ones deteriorate or even die. Oh and then there is also the altered state of mind where they go out thinking they are invincible and get behind the wheels of a car or work machinery, then the violence too. Every drug user is affecting others in one way or another.

The attitudes of people need to change so that it isn't something tolerated by society. If this change doesn't come, before we know it these drugs will be just another drug legalised/accepted like a ciggie or beer.

Good arguments. Dont completely agree and think there is some flaws in what you saying (particularly if you look the problems associated with alcohol and cigarettes). I think this discussion has run its course.

 

[tomcat]

why on earth would anyone want to do drugs, hope they come down real HEAVY on him

 

[AndTheKungFoSing]

It reads differently. I don't mind this kind of discussion but create a thread about the legality of drugs if need be and please be careful when endorsing illegal activities, doing so is a breach of the site rules.

See rule 5 (http://www.weststigersforum.com/terms-of-use" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false😉.

 

[southerntiger]

I am not endorsing illegal activities and apologise if it is read that way. I am simply saying we should be careful about moralising and judging others.

 

[AndTheKungFoSing]

I am simply saying we should be careful about moralising and judging others.

If only the rest of the world shared this view aye…

 

[Geo]

why on earth would anyone want to do drugs, hope they come down real HEAVY on him

From what I understand Houston didn't 'do' drugs…he supplied them...allegedly...

Who should you come down heavy on...the user who for whatever reason uses them...Or the people that supply it to them.....

 

[BRET]

why on earth would anyone want to do drugs, hope they come down real HEAVY on him

Who should you come down heavy on…the user who for whatever reason uses them...Or the people that supply it to them.....

They are both as guilty as each other.

 

[southerntiger]

They may be as guilty as each other as they have both committed a crime. However, I would think that most people would agree that there is a moral difference between the two acts.

 

[BRET]

They may be as guilty as each other as they have both committed a crime. However, I would think that most people would agree that there is a moral difference between the two acts.

Maybe. But for the most part BOTH have no morals. Usually when drug use gets to addiction morals fly out the window and they use crime as an income - much the same way drug dealers use it as an income. Still both morally in the gutter. But I think I understand the point you are trying to make.

So has Chris Houston been known for this kind of past time previously? Or is this a first time naughty??

 

[westTAHger]

this is going to have that " ripple effect".
would not be suprised if sponsorship deals are withdrawn.
NIB are already looking into their deal with the knights, as heard on radio about 4pm today.
there were some of camera crews, walking around the streets in Newcastle at lunch time asking people if they were knights supporters, and if they had any comments to make.

 

[southerntiger]

They may be as guilty as each other as they have both committed a crime. However, I would think that most people would agree that there is a moral difference between the two acts.

Maybe. But for the most part BOTH have no morals. Usually when drug use gets to addiction morals fly out the window and they use crime as an income - much the same way drug dealers use it as an income. Still both morally in the gutter. But I think I understand the point you are trying to make.

So has Chris Houston been known for this kind of past time previously? Or is this a first time naughty??

Your idea that all (or even a majority or even a large minority) people who use drugs resort to crime is misconceived - this probably reflects the Hollywood view but not reality. This has diminished my view of your previous arguments. Once again I am not advocating drug use but rather believe we should use facts not myths to debate these issues.

 

[BRET]

My comments on this matter are nothing to do with Hollywood. I grew up in the South Western Suburbs and am well aware of what the go is with drugs. I do know people use them socially (good on them if they never become dependent), but in my opinion this can lead to addiction too easily and gets them by suprise. Often their social drug taking experience can become a dependent lifestyle. A dependency on drugs is not usually affordable for most so where else do they make the money other than through criminal means? Nip it in the bud is what I believe. Come down hard on them. For the most part the courts are too soft on these matters. Hence why I agree with the statement made earlier about coming down HEAVY on him or anyone else for that matter. Drugs have a way of becoming a bigger and bigger problem in one's life once the ball gets rolling. And it not only affects the user or seller, it affects everyone who associates with those people.

 

[Guest]

Houston will get what's coming to him once he's had his day in court.

 

[Centaur]

Gee - the White Knights mustn't of been paying him enough.

 

[senexx]

Only response I have to any of this is:

Chris who?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Only response I have to any of this is:

Chris who?

Haha, Chris WHOston? Sorry, cheap joke.

Anyway, a few points that this thread bring to mind;

1.> It was obvious that there were going to be more players found out or at least people within the club. Houston was his former flatmate and should have known his days were numbered as well.

2.> There's bugger all in Newcastle to do, so alcohol and drugs are socially acceptable ways to pass time.

3.> What is the involvement of the club? Sure they pander to the masses by saying they knew nothing of Houston's alleged involvement, but didn't the Chosen One (nee Andrew Johns,) spend the better half of his career goosed up to the eyeballs on pills and god knows what else. I'd be very suspect of the clubs reaction to this turn of events, and would not be at all surprised if they are trying to keep a lid on this, given their track record with Johns.

4.> I'm probably going to contradict myself by saying this, but it's also a valid point and I'm trying to look at this objectively; you don't have to be using to be a dealer. In fact you'll find most drug dealers don't use because they cut into profits. Therefore Newcastle might be stringently testing their players and finding nothing that indicates they are using.

5.> Not trying to shoot anyone down here, but in my personal experience alone I have been affected by drugs and what they do to people. I have had cars stolen and property out of those vehicles stolen, and also in one case property from my house stolen (rego papers told them where I lived so they decided to come back later and rip my house off while I was at work.) Illicit drugs are the scourge of society and while people are free to do as they choose, when it inversely affects people around you just as bad as yourself, then thats when the problems arise. I've never seen anyone rip off a car or a house to buy alcohol or smokes (although those 'legal' drugs can have severe ramifications when usage is out of control.)

6.> Lastly, I happen to not like Newcastle Knights very much, but I hope their fans stick by their club when the people in the club who do the right things need their fans support the most.