NFL defensive wall used with field goal attempt
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This is a disgrace if it is as you say. (sorry I didn't see the game).
The art of shielding players for any kick is a blight on the game IMO. This game is meant to have 'bravery' and 'courage'. I am all for protecting kickers and catchers against ILLEGAL play, and those that clean up a kicker late should be rubbed out for a year. But there should still be some 'pressure' on all kickers and catchers, that's the point of our game.
Likewise with the catching. This thing in our game where defenders are 'changing path' and running attacking players off the ball is plain and simply wrong.
Just an opinion from an old fashioned guy…
The art of shielding players for any kick is a blight on the game IMO. This game is meant to have 'bravery' and 'courage'. I am all for protecting kickers and catchers against ILLEGAL play, and those that clean up a kicker late should be rubbed out for a year. But there should still be some 'pressure' on all kickers and catchers, that's the point of our game.
Likewise with the catching. This thing in our game where defenders are 'changing path' and running attacking players off the ball is plain and simply wrong.
Just an opinion from an old fashioned guy…
Obstruction for mine
Masterton
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I expect the NRL will make a ruling on this pretty quickly. Otherwise it will be a common ploy.
@Newtown said:
It was unusual tactic that's for sure , never watched NFL so I can't comment on that aspect of it . certainly had the referees bamboozled !
After going to the video ref it was given the green light , so does that mean that tactic can be used again or will we see an immediate rule change ?
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sideline_eye
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Now that they got away with it, all teams will be doing it until the NRL acts to ban it. Plain obstruction for mine.
as long as the players in the wall dont go out of their way to impede the defender it is fine as per the rule book.
they are allowed to stand whereever they like as the kick is being taken. the exact same thing happens 5 times a game when players create a shield around a player attempting to take a bomb.
also, mannering was definitely obstructing so on that basis it may have been called back. but in general that ploy is legal under current rules.
whether the rules should be changed is another question, but right now it's perfectly legal.
they are allowed to stand whereever they like as the kick is being taken. the exact same thing happens 5 times a game when players create a shield around a player attempting to take a bomb.
also, mannering was definitely obstructing so on that basis it may have been called back. but in general that ploy is legal under current rules.
whether the rules should be changed is another question, but right now it's perfectly legal.
@cktiger said:
you cant run at a player, fall over and call obstruction. that's essentially ruled as you engaging the decoy runner in classic obstruction rulings and its a fair try.
and in this case it will be ruled as you being an idiot for running directly at a player and falling over, play on.
Warriors wall sparks controversy
Steve Gee, WWOS
10:00 AEST Sun Jun 14 2015
The New Zealand Warriors turned back time to channel Parramatta’s fabled wall from the eighties to create a controversial block for halfback Shaun Johnson to kick a field goal during the Kiwis’ 25-21 loss to the Sydney Roosters. Trailing by one point in the 76th minute, the Kiwis were positioned in front of the Roosters' posts with Johnson standing behind the ruck positioned for a leveling field goal when the play unfolded. Warriors captain Simon Mannering and four teammates lined up beside dummy-half Chad Townsend to form a human shield to prevent the Roosters from reaching the playmaker. Mannering even grabbed Roosters hooker Jake Friend to halt his progress to charge-down Johnson's shot, which sailed between the posts.
The play immediately sparked dispute from Fox Sports commentator Andrew Voss, who felt it was illegal. But despite being referred for review from video referee Shane Hayne the one pointer was ruled valid. Voss was dumbfounded as were NRL fans. "They set up a wall. I don’t think that can be legal, can it?," Voss said. "(Simon) Mannering goes into a position, they set up a wall and he’s grabbed (Jake Friend) and you can’t do that. "I have to disallow the field goal. You can’t do that … that was blatant from Mannering."
The play revived memories of Jack Gibson's famous wall, which the Parramatta Eels used in the early 80s off penalty taps. Eels players would line up with their backs to the defence during a run-around to trick rivals into which player received the ball with the move snaring a try during a clash with the Roosters. However, the play famously came unstuck against Canterbury when Bulldogs hardman Geoff Robinson crashed into the wall and flattened Eels star Peter Sterling.
Steve Gee, WWOS
10:00 AEST Sun Jun 14 2015
The New Zealand Warriors turned back time to channel Parramatta’s fabled wall from the eighties to create a controversial block for halfback Shaun Johnson to kick a field goal during the Kiwis’ 25-21 loss to the Sydney Roosters. Trailing by one point in the 76th minute, the Kiwis were positioned in front of the Roosters' posts with Johnson standing behind the ruck positioned for a leveling field goal when the play unfolded. Warriors captain Simon Mannering and four teammates lined up beside dummy-half Chad Townsend to form a human shield to prevent the Roosters from reaching the playmaker. Mannering even grabbed Roosters hooker Jake Friend to halt his progress to charge-down Johnson's shot, which sailed between the posts.
The play immediately sparked dispute from Fox Sports commentator Andrew Voss, who felt it was illegal. But despite being referred for review from video referee Shane Hayne the one pointer was ruled valid. Voss was dumbfounded as were NRL fans. "They set up a wall. I don’t think that can be legal, can it?," Voss said. "(Simon) Mannering goes into a position, they set up a wall and he’s grabbed (Jake Friend) and you can’t do that. "I have to disallow the field goal. You can’t do that … that was blatant from Mannering."
The play revived memories of Jack Gibson's famous wall, which the Parramatta Eels used in the early 80s off penalty taps. Eels players would line up with their backs to the defence during a run-around to trick rivals into which player received the ball with the move snaring a try during a clash with the Roosters. However, the play famously came unstuck against Canterbury when Bulldogs hardman Geoff Robinson crashed into the wall and flattened Eels star Peter Sterling.
cqtiger
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@pHyR3 said:
I didn't see it but there is the "down town" rule. Players can't wonder in front of the play the ball area or they are called off side.
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VanillaThunder
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Happened to a lesser extent early in our game too, Ben Lowe came running up and stood right in front of Lawrence at marker on the last tackle, even held on to him too. NRL is setting a dangerous precedent if they let this go.
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tig_prmz
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it's the nrl's fault for interpreting this 'depth' crap- you shouldnt be allowed to take advantage if you receive the ball behind your own player, full stop. imo, that's where the line is drawn between engaging the defender and obstructing the defense.
@VanillaThunder said:
Yes remember that play VT - got up my nose a bit.
The other thing is after 3 separate play the balls - our marker was pushed out of the way so he was unable to participate in tackling the man with the ball. Souffs do this all the time.
How about they stop that as well.
@pHyR3 said:
This old fella remembers a rule where the attacking team had to be 5m from the ruck…i think it still applies to scrums or you were penalised.... that interpretation is long gone though...
On the Warriors play...don't like it and I believe Mannering interfered with the chaser and it should have been a penalty..
