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[MacDougall]

I think Mullaney is better defensively as well. Equally capable of those remarkable goal line saves that Moltzen pulls off now and then, better under the high ball, more willing to get hurt and most importantly understands the position better. Puts himself in better position to collect attacking kicks and I can't be sure but I would bet that he is better at organising the defensive line too.

 

[MacDougall]

And in attack, it's Mullaney by the length. He is an elusive little bugger and is faster than Moltzen to boot I reckon. The worst part is I think Mullaney would have set up as many tries in his 7 or 8 games than Moltzen did all year, and Moltzen is supposed to be the ball playing halfback style fullback.

Ugh I am working myself up. God I want him gone so bad. Such a pretender.

 

[dermo]

No mention of the try saving tackle he made on Widdop in the first few mins

Things a footballer are supposed to do often get overlooked when they regulalrly shirk their responsibilitys.
Players make try saving tackles every week, right down to the u/8's….its a fundamental part of the game.
What next?
Applauding him for tying his bootlaces correctly?

If theres going to be a 4 page thread on his one error all game, then you would think one of you would mention the good things he did but no, its the same every week, does alot of good things then one bad and the whole forum blows up. He made no errors (1 actually when you take into account the non attempt at the bomb) and had 1 missed tackle but the way you lot carry on you'd think he was the sole reason we lost

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Mullany couldn't have done any worse. Him not getting one single shot proved Sheens just looks out for his mates, not that much proof was needed. Sickening

 

[dermo]

**I think Mullaney is better defensively as well.** Equally capable of those remarkable goal line saves that Moltzen pulls off now and then, better under the high ball, more willing to get hurt and most importantly understands the position better. Puts himself in better position to collect attacking kicks and I can't be sure but I would bet that he is better at organising the defensive line too.

No chance, when we played the eels he missed 7 tackles. I'll accept some of the criticisms that Moltzen cops but hes one of the best defenders in our side, especially when you compare him to some of the defense thats come from our centres this year

 

[angeman]

Moltzen doesn't have the courage needed to play fullback. How can sheens not see this?!?!
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[GNR4LIFE]

**I think Mullaney is better defensively as well.** Equally capable of those remarkable goal line saves that Moltzen pulls off now and then, better under the high ball, more willing to get hurt and most importantly understands the position better. Puts himself in better position to collect attacking kicks and I can't be sure but I would bet that he is better at organising the defensive line too.

No chance, when we played the eels he missed 7 tackles. **I'll accept some of the criticisms that Moltzen cops but hes one of the best defenders in our side, especially when you compare him to some of the defense thats come from our centres this yea**r

The first thing that flashed through my mind reading this was Cheyse Blair's palm to the face in the final minute of the Parra game. Weak effort

 

[snowleopard]

Not at all Dermo.. Was just seeking to compare Moltzen with one of the players we let go..understand the rationale was probably we had Tedesco and couldn't keep both of them but all the same I think it was a mistake based on what has happened..when you look at the profiles of the best fullbacks we have in the NRL it seems they fit into 2 types…strong and powerfull...say an Inglis/dugan/hayne or smaller but quicker and able to beat a player or pick up an offlfload and be gone..create something from nothing..thinking barber/bowen/stewart here...the one thing both types all have in common is courage under fire.. How do you think Moltzen has demonstrated these qualities in 2012.

 

[dermo]

Not at all Dermo.. Was just seeking to compare Moltzen with one of the players we let go..understand the rationale was probably we had Tedesco and couldn't keep both of them but all the same I think it was a mistake based on what has happened..when you look at the profiles of the best fullbacks we have in the NRL it seems they fit into 2 types…strong and powerfull...say an Inglis/dugan/hayne or smaller but quicker and able to beat a player or pick up an offlfload and be gone..create something from nothing..thinking barber/bowen/stewart here...the one thing both types all have in common is courage under fire.. How do you think Moltzen has demonstrated these qualities in 2012.

Mullaney had a couple of good games along with the rest of his team but otherwise he's really not that good, no one on here was complaining about letting him go even after the Parra game. Moltzen was our top try scorer this season so he obviously offers something but most on here are too blinded by their predetermined opinions to ever see it

 

[dermo]

**I think Mullaney is better defensively as well.** Equally capable of those remarkable goal line saves that Moltzen pulls off now and then, better under the high ball, more willing to get hurt and most importantly understands the position better. Puts himself in better position to collect attacking kicks and I can't be sure but I would bet that he is better at organising the defensive line too.

No chance, when we played the eels he missed 7 tackles. **I'll accept some of the criticisms that Moltzen cops but hes one of the best defenders in our side, especially when you compare him to some of the defense thats come from our centres this yea**r

The first thing that flashed through my mind reading this was Cheyse Blair's palm to the face in the final minute of the Parra game. Weak effort

Likewise when I was reading MacDougall's post was Koro's palm to the face on Mullaney in the Parra game. Im happy for people to criticise his ability under the high ball, though I think most on here make it out to be far more of a problem than it is, but you have to admit he is far from our worst defender and not just by the Tigers low standards, he is a good defender.

 

[snowleopard]

Fair enough Dermo.. I didn't see too much in the first couple of games but in the last 2 games I saw what I saw when he was in the under 20's. ..speed, agility, always hanging around the play the ball looking for an offload…the big change was his courage under fire..being hammered on the kick return but keep hitting it back hard & still looking for the hole in the line to make a 50 m break..maybe this is due to maturity or knowing that his position is on the line ... Either way it,s what you want to see in a young player

 

[innsaneink]

No mention of the try saving tackle he made on Widdop in the first few mins

Things a footballer are supposed to do often get overlooked when they regulalrly shirk their responsibilitys.
Players make try saving tackles every week, right down to the u/8's….its a fundamental part of the game.
What next?
Applauding him for tying his bootlaces correctly?

If theres going to be a 4 page thread on his one error all game, then you would think one of you would mention the **good things** he did but no, its the same every week, does alot of good things then one bad and the whole forum blows up. He made no **errors** (1 actually when you take into account the non attempt at the bomb) and had 1 missed tackle but the way you lot carry on you'd think he was the sole reason we lost

You just dont get how weak dogging it is, going the self preservation route instead of giving it your all for the team.

Brett Hodgson….a scrawny runt but the heart and guts of a lion.

Its not just ''**errors''**.....all players make errors

And all players do '**'good things**", things they are supposed to do on a field, but we dont talk about them, we talk about exceptional, brilliant things, because good things are a fundamental part of the game, its evident, its not necessary to discuss it

 

[1_4_chicken_chips]

No mention of the try saving tackle he made on Widdop in the first few mins

Things a footballer are supposed to do often get overlooked when they regulalrly shirk their responsibilitys.
Players make try saving tackles every week, right down to the u/8's….its a fundamental part of the game.
What next?
Applauding him for tying his bootlaces correctly?

If theres going to be a 4 page thread on his one error all game, then you would think one of you would mention the **good things** he did but no, its the same every week, does alot of good things then one bad and the whole forum blows up. He made no **errors** (1 actually when you take into account the non attempt at the bomb) and had 1 missed tackle but the way you lot carry on you'd think he was the sole reason we lost

You just dont get how weak dogging it is, going the self preservation route instead of giving it your all for the team.

Brett Hodgson….a scrawny runt but the heart and guts of a lion.

Its not just ''**errors''**.....all players make errors

And all players do '**'good things**", things they are supposed to do on a field, but we dont talk about them, we talk about exceptional, brilliant things, because good things are a fundamental part of the game, its evident, its not necessary to discuss it

Ink PLEASE do not mention these names in the same post , Hodgo would still be the better option at the back ,still good enough to win the best and fairest ,even if it is only esl.Which reminds me ,who got rid of Hodgo?
Yet another masterstroke by Mr Sheens .and to think we have another 3 years of it ,but fully fit where does Moltzen really fit ?

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Lies, damn lies and statistics….
He simply doesn't have 'heart', if only he can have 'heart' transplant, and the donors are people like Hodgson, Ryan, Fulton or Utai :frowning:

 

[MacDougall]

I hardly think getting palmed off by Koroibete is really a damning event and comparing that to getting made to look a fool by Cheyse Blair … chalk and cheese. It'd be like comparing being stood up by Billy Slater to being stood up by Matthew Wright.

 

[jirskyr]

http://www.makingthenut.com/content/couch-round-26-0

Congratulations Tim Moltzen, Ben Roberts and Chris Sandow: On a weekend of high drama for the Willie M Medal, the Wests Tigers' Tim Moltzen polled two votes in the loss to Melbourne while Ben Roberts received two votes and Chris Sandow one in the final game of the year to lead to a three-way tie for the 2012 Willie M Medal.

It is Sandow's second Willie M Medal, after the Eels halfback won the inaugural award with South Sydney in 2010.

On an unprecedented weekend, the Parramatta halves duo and Wests Tigers fullback all recorded votes on the final weekend to win rugby league's most dubious honour.

Moltzen and Sandow both posted votes in 10 games, each winning four worst on ground efforts, while Roberts posted in nine games and also had four worst on ground performances.

**Moltzen played all 24 game for the Tigers and committed 17 errors and missed 44 tackles, struggling under the high ball all season while offering very little support at the back.**

Roberts was actually dropped throughout the season but managed 19 games, making the award all the more remarkable. In his first season at the Eels, he combined 24 handling errors and an average of over two missed tackles a game with a horrible kicking game, poor options and astonishingly bad defensive reads. His game against the Tigers was one of the worst ever.

Sandow, a perennial vote-getter, returned to his best in 23 games for his new club. Signed on a big-money deal, he contributed 24 errors and 5.5 missed tackles with a general disinterest in playing rugby league.

Congratulations goes out to all three as well as Tim Sheens, Stephen Kearney and Brad Arthur. Their names are now etched in history, forever linked with mediocrity, below par rugby league, stupidity, gutlessness and a general lack of ability.

Willie M Rollcall of Honour
2010: Chris Sandow (Sou)
2011: Blake Ferguson (Can)
2012: Tim Moltzen (Tig), Ben Roberts (Par), Chris Sandow (Par)

 

[cktiger]

Yeh, I agree with you….I guess NRL fans, students, doctors, carpenters, accountants, solicitors, plumbers labourers and garbos would have much trouble trying to do what a NRL player does.

NRL players like Tim however shouldnt have any such problems.

**Seriously.....the "You try do a better job" "You tell him to his face'' arguments are scraping the bottom of the barrel**

**If youre in the public eye, you must expect criticism....you need to learn this**

Spot on, its a childish mentality. It would be like taking your car to a mechanic, the machanics don't fix the problem, you call to complain and their response is ''i'd like to see you do a better job''.

Good to see the keyboard warriors have each others backs. :laughing:
So you are telling me if the mechanic didn't fix your car you would go on a website and anonymously bag him but not be prepared to tell him to his face?
What is childish about telling people they wouldn't have the courage to give their opinions to another persons face?
If you think he had a bad season so be it - he's a professional footballer and not immune from criticism of his form on the field.
Maybe you guys get some weird satsfaction out of attacking a persons character while knowing nothing about them ?
Stupid (read childish) , continual threads regarding him having no heart amount to nothing more than weak- arsed cyber bullying.
This is a football forum …. you should learn that. :laughing:

 

[innsaneink]

Talk about thick, and missing the point
We are cyber bullies.
Happy?

 

[Shaggy]

I still think Moltzen will come good. If you can cast your mind back to when he blew his knee out which was I think in round 8 of 2010 he was trying a Benji style side step where he jumped up in the air with pace and either went left or right. This style side step was quiet widely in Tim's game. I can't recall him doing that style side step since his injury and please correct me if I'm wrong.
I really think he needs to see a sports physiologist or run constant drills to get his confidence back. I'm an advocate for keeping players in the position but would like to see him in the centres and away from the high ball for awhile.
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[cktiger]

Talk about thick, and missing the point
We are cyber bullies.
Happy?

Talk about missing the point :laughing:
What's the problem? Truth hurt?
Now you resort to calling me thick , on top of other having to 'learn' me :unamused:
I'm neither thick or need to be taught anything.
If you think smart alec juvenile remarks will bully me into silence then you have picked on the wrong person - I don't get bullied by anyone in the real world , let alone by keyboard blowhards.