Nofoaluma

[Nelson]

Yet… Tries were scored down both our edges in FG...go figure

Confused by this statement… please explain?

People are complaining about Nofo's defence yet tries were scored on both edges in first grade. It's not as though the wingers playing first grade for us have impregnable defence. One try is scored in reggies on Nofo's wing and he's supposedly some massive defensive liability yet no such criticism is made of Thompson or MWZ (when to be honest Thompson could have handled both Auva'a and Hoffman(?) tries better than he did). I can see why he doesn't bother writing things in so many words…

Edit: and he'd already answered it anyway...

 

[jirskyr]

I personally think Nofo is not going better than MWZ, but also not particularly worse. In that case it's up to the coach who gets picked, and I have no problem having a player like Nofo in reggies.

What I will say about MWZ is he is less dynamic in attack but he also makes less mistakes. Sure Nofo makes some defensive errors, I wouldn't say he's a constant offender (like some people like to generalise), but I would say MWZ rarely makes defensive errors.

Nofo is obviously next choice if one of the back 3 are injured, just sucks for him ATM that Corey Thompson is playing so well, which nobody predicted when he was signed.

 

[Silentio]

Of course he's a good player, but dropping anyone from a team that's playing so well would be a pretty abysmal move.

After years, we finally seem to have a half-decent culture going on. I doubt he'll be back soon.

 

[hammertime]

We won 3/4 during the hardest competition start a team has ever faced and have had a monumental improvement in culture since last season.

If people don't feel Clearys selections are now vindicated, I don't know what it would take.

 

[gallagher]

We won 3/4 during the hardest competition start a team has ever faced and have had a monumental improvement in culture since last season.

If people don't feel Clearys selections are now vindicated, I don't know what it would take.

Indeed. Second guessing Cleary's selections seems a bit silly at the moment.

 

[cuzzo]

I personally think Nofo is not going better than MWZ, but also not particularly worse. In that case it's up to the coach who gets picked, and I have no problem having a player like Nofo in reggies.

What I will say about MWZ is he is less dynamic in attack but he also makes less mistakes. Sure Nofo makes some defensive errors, I wouldn't say he's a constant offender (like some people like to generalise), but I would say MWZ rarely makes defensive errors.

Nofo is obviously next choice if one of the back 3 are injured, just sucks for him ATM that Corey Thompson is playing so well, which nobody predicted when he was signed.

My thoughts exactly..

I love nothing but love for Nofo but he has been exposed defensively more than once.

We’ve all heard the pre season was all about competition, and the competition in the selection room creates hunger.

As long as the coaching staff are honest and communicate I’m all for it

But I will also mention no one in the squad should be excluded “captains / leaders” from being dropped to reggies

 

[tigerbill]

I agree with Luke. I think its crazy we're not playing him. He may have some bad reads but physically, when someone needs to be taken out via the sideline Nofa will hammer them. He brings the ball back like no one else and can break tackles.

 

[Skip]

I know there are a lot of positives this season and I’m sorry to be a downer but I’m disappointed the way Nofo has been treated by the club this season.

Nofo has been one of our most consistent players ever since his debut in 2013\. He plays with his heart on his sleeve and he loves this club. He resigned with us last year even with everything going on at the club, he showed true loyalty.

There was no obvious reason why he was dropped. Yes, Thompson has been great this season but I believe that Nofo is at least in infront of MWZ!

Stats to prove Nofo is more effective than MWZ in the two games they played in FG this year:

Against Storm:
Nofo – 176 M (most of any player from both sides), 50 post-contact metres (most of any player from both sides), 11 tackle breaks (most of any player from both sides), 5 offloads (equal with Marsters for most of any player from both sides), 4 tackles, 1 missed tackle, 1 error.

MWZ – 89 M, 30 post-contact metres, 3 tackle breaks, 1 offload, 6 tackles, 1 missed tackle, 4 1-1 tackles.

Against Broncos:
Nofo – 150 M (most of any Tigers player, 4th overall), 57 post-contact metres (most of any Tigers player, 3rd overall), 4 tackle breaks, 1 offload, 2 tackles, 2 missed tackles, 3 errors.

MWZ (only played 37 mins) – 52 M, 18 post-contact metres, 1 tackle break, 5 tackles, 2 missed tackles.

Some people will argue it was his defence that has let him down and if that is the case he should have been given a chance to prove himself first before being dropped. When he has played FG this year he hasn’t let us down.

If Nofo has not had the right attitude at training or something has happened that we are not aware of then let the fans know. They don’t have to go into full detail but at least give some kind of explanation as to why he has been dropped.

My biggest worry is if he continues to stay in lower grade there may be a chance he asks for a release (which I'm sure he doesn't want to do!)

I feel the same way but he is still a liability in defence. The metres he makes from dummy half is irreplaceable but he needs to improve on those little things like catching the ball. I'd still have him in the side over MWZ but Ivan knows what he's doing. Hopefully Noff takes this as a challenge to improve himself and not sook and try to leave the club

 

[Geo]

Gawd…. :brick: :brick:

 

[old_man_tiger]

We won 3/4 during the hardest competition start a team has ever faced and have had a monumental improvement in culture since last season.

If people don't feel Clearys selections are now vindicated, I don't know what it would take.

At some point there will be calls made that the coach thinks strengthen the team and I think he will make them, but no one is letting us down currently. Nonetheless I like the 17 more with Nofo and not MWZ, but it is just a fan's opinion and not dissatisfaction. :sign:

 

[851]

Won't be back anytime soon the way he let that try in yesterday. Pathetic defence.

Nofo saved about 3 tries with his defence yesterday, and the try that was scored down his wing was not his fault, he was faced with his centre rushing in and leaving him posted, to call that pathetic says more about you than him.
And not to mention his attack, 2 tries and 2 try assists I think, he did everything possible to get a recall, and the Thompson to left wing Nofo to right wing suggestion by another forum member is ok by me.

 

[marzie]

I reckon he will be back in place of mwz this week

Just a feeling

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

I know there are a lot of positives this season and I’m sorry to be a downer but I’m disappointed the way Nofo has been treated by the club this season.

Nofo has been one of our most consistent players ever since his debut in 2013\. He plays with his heart on his sleeve and he loves this club. He resigned with us last year even with everything going on at the club, he showed true loyalty.

There was no obvious reason why he was dropped. Yes, Thompson has been great this season but I believe that Nofo is at least in infront of MWZ!

Stats to prove Nofo is more effective than MWZ in the two games they played in FG this year:

Against Storm:
Nofo – 176 M (most of any player from both sides), 50 post-contact metres (most of any player from both sides), 11 tackle breaks (most of any player from both sides), 5 offloads (equal with Marsters for most of any player from both sides), 4 tackles, 1 missed tackle, 1 error.

MWZ – 89 M, 30 post-contact metres, 3 tackle breaks, 1 offload, 6 tackles, 1 missed tackle, 4 1-1 tackles.

Against Broncos:
Nofo – 150 M (most of any Tigers player, 4th overall), 57 post-contact metres (most of any Tigers player, 3rd overall), 4 tackle breaks, 1 offload, 2 tackles, 2 missed tackles, 3 errors.

MWZ (only played 37 mins) – 52 M, 18 post-contact metres, 1 tackle break, 5 tackles, 2 missed tackles.

Some people will argue it was his defence that has let him down and if that is the case he should have been given a chance to prove himself first before being dropped. When he has played FG this year he hasn’t let us down.

If Nofo has not had the right attitude at training or something has happened that we are not aware of then let the fans know. They don’t have to go into full detail but at least give some kind of explanation as to why he has been dropped.

My biggest worry is if he continues to stay in lower grade there may be a chance he asks for a release (which I'm sure he doesn't want to do!)

My only critisim of the club would be why did they sign him for so long if he is not that highly rated.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Won't be back anytime soon the way he let that try in yesterday. Pathetic defence.

Nofo saved about 3 tries with his defence yesterday, and the try that was scored down his wing was not his fault, he was faced with his centre rushing in and leaving him posted, to call that pathetic says more about you than him.
And not to mention his attack, 2 tries and 2 try assists I think, he did everything possible to get a recall, and the Thompson to left wing Nofo to right wing suggestion by another forum member is ok by me.

Nofo marsters are both slow for their position not ideal.

 

[Moh]

Wingers finish trys. Teams set up plays for wingers to score trys. If a try goes in on the wing, it doesn't mean the winger is a bad defender :laughing:

Yes he has made bad decisions. No it won't keep happening. Especially with the way the team is defending now.

Nofa's good far outweighs the bad. You're absolutely nuts if you think reserve grade is where he belongs, he's there now but it sure as hell won't be for long.

 

[Russell]

Wingers finish trys. Teams set up plays for wingers to score trys. If a try goes in on the wing, it doesn't mean the winger is a bad defender :laughing:

Yes he has made bad decisions. No it won't keep happening. Especially with the way the team is defending now.

Nofa's good far outweighs the bad. You're absolutely nuts if you think reserve grade is where he belongs, he's there now but it sure as hell won't be for long.

Competition for spots is good - isn't it.

Should he be treated differently to anyone else - short answer is no imo.

i.e. He needs to play well and wait for someone in the NRL team to blow it.

 

[Nelson]

Wingers finish trys. Teams set up plays for wingers to score trys. If a try goes in on the wing, it doesn't mean the winger is a bad defender :laughing:

Yes he has made bad decisions. No it won't keep happening. Especially with the way the team is defending now.

Nofa's good far outweighs the bad. You're absolutely nuts if you think reserve grade is where he belongs, he's there now but it sure as hell won't be for long.

Competition for spots is good - isn't it.

Should he be treated differently to anyone else - short answer is no imo.

i.e. He needs to play well and wait for someone in the NRL team to blow it.

Why does someone have to blow it? If his form demands selection then you select him. It's not healthy competition to basically say to players - "you can tear reggies apart every week but unless the bloke ahead of you stinks it up you're not getting a look in". Even the most determined players will lose their motivation after enough of that kind of rubbish. It will also create resentment amongst the players and division. Bad.

 

[851]

Wingers finish trys. Teams set up plays for wingers to score trys. If a try goes in on the wing, it doesn't mean the winger is a bad defender :laughing:

Yes he has made bad decisions. No it won't keep happening. Especially with the way the team is defending now.

Nofa's good far outweighs the bad. You're absolutely nuts if you think reserve grade is where he belongs, he's there now but it sure as hell won't be for long.

Competition for spots is good - isn't it.

Should he be treated differently to anyone else - short answer is no imo.

i.e. He needs to play well and wait for someone in the NRL team to blow it.

Why does someone have to blow it? If his form demands selection then you select him. It's not healthy competition to basically say to players - "you can tear reggies apart every week but unless the bloke ahead of you stinks it up you're not getting a look in". Even the most determined players will lose their motivation after enough of that kind of rubbish. It will also create resentment amongst the players and division. Bad.

I agree, a player can only keep playing exceptional for so long with no reward for his efforts.

 

[tigerap]

Noffo plays on the right wing, MWZ plays on the left. Thompson has his nose in front of Noffo for the right wing spot.

I personally would love Noffo on the left wing but Ivan strikes me as a players-play-their-best-position type of coach not a fit-them-in-anywhere coach.

Nofo did another bad read yesterday in ISP that let in a try,given Nofo plays right wing, if we put him on left wing, then when he runs left he will be running to his sideline thus not allowing a hole…problem with his D solved..... :roll
Nofo needs to fix his Defensive issues before he holds down a regular NRL spot....if he doesn’t want to do that with the WT, then off he goes....

 

[Sabre]

I’m disappointed the way Nofo has been treated by the club this season.

He hasn't been mistreated at all. He is held to the same standards as everyone else. Reputation counts for nothing and players have to earn their place in the team, this is something Ivan has introduced that we have never had. It's a very good thing.

He plays with his heart on his sleeve and he loves this club. He resigned with us last year even with everything going on at the club, he showed true loyalty.

Pride, passion and loyalty only get you so far. Otherwise you or I could be playing NRL.

There was no obvious reason why he was dropped.

Yes there is, his defensive reads/positioning.

Some people will argue it was his defence that has let him down and if that is the case he should have been given a chance to prove himself first before being dropped. When he has played FG this year he hasn’t let us down.

First Grade isn't the place to prove yourself, Ivan obviously had concerns from what he saw last year and in Pre-Season. You can't pick a player in First Grade under the condition that they 'have to prove themselves before being dropped'. That can cost you games. And as for not letting us down, he almost did from a very bad read on Jack Bird last week. The try he let in yesterday in ISP by going for the intercept doesn't help his cause either.

And as for your stats, well they never paint the full picture.

For now, he isn't in our top 17\. Thompson has earnt the right to be picked ahead of him.