Not all black and white: Wests fans spitting feathers

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Not all black and white: Wests fans spitting feathers over missing magpie
Glenn Jackson, Brad Walter
February 21, 2012
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WAS it a deliberate ploy to continue to erase an already aggrieved partner in a joint venture, or simply a decision based on circumstances?

Wests Tigers management maintain it was the latter, however the absence of the famous Wests magpie from the Tigers' Foundation Cup jerseys has the potential to further dent relations between factions of the merged club.

Even though they accept Tigers chief executive Stephen Humphreys's explanation for the case of the missing magpie, Western Suburbs football club officials plan to take the alleged oversight to the joint-venture club's board.

A clearly agitated Western Suburbs supporter emailed Humphreys calling for an explanation for the missing magpie yesterday. And, while Humphreys maintained all premiership jerseys would include the magpie image on each sleeve this season and beyond, Western Suburbs football officials are concerned enough to take the issue further. That is due partly to the fragility of relations between some Wests and Balmain portions of the merger, particularly in the wake of recent tensions over the future of the Western Suburbs Magpies NSW Cup outfit.

After the merger between the Western Suburbs Magpies and the Balmain Tigers in 1999, it was agreed that, as part of the deal, the new club's jerseys would include a magpie on each sleeve.

The Western Suburbs football club board thought enough of the fear by renegade supporter Graeme Szynal that the magpie was being fazed out, that members spoke of it yesterday.
"The main issue is that we don't want to see the magpie disappear altogether" … Daniel Watson-Hayes.

"The main issue is that we don't want to see the magpie disappear altogether" ... Daniel Watson-Hayes. Photo: Wolter Peeters

''We understand the frustration of our members and supporters and these are issues that will be worked through with Wests Tigers to avoid future problems from arising,'' Daniel Watson-Hayes, a director of the Western Suburbs District Football Club, said. ''Little things can stem into big things, and we just want to make sure that equality and equal representation through our joint-venture investment is maintained at all times, as per the joint-venture agreement that says the magpie should be on the sleeve.

''At the moment, it has been demoted to the cuff of the sleeve - much to the dismay of many, including myself - and the size has significantly reduced, which I would like to see rectified.

''But the main issue is that we don't want to see the magpie disappear altogether, and little things like this send a negative message to our supporter base that we are being rubbed out of this joint venture - even though Wests Tigers say that isn't the case and our board is doing everything to make sure that doesn't happen through such initiatives such as the Return to Lidcombe [NSW Cup] game that is coming up in two weeks.''

The fact that Saturday's match was held at Campbelltown Stadium was used as further ammunition for aggrieved Magpies. But Humphreys maintained the club was not deliberately snubbing the logo with its ''eye of the tiger'' jersey for the clash.

''The jersey we wore on Saturday was just a promotional jersey,'' Humphreys said. ''As I understand it, we've had three or four of those which have not had a magpie. All of the jerseys in the premiership always have, and always will have, a magpie.''

And there are plans in place to celebrate the Magpies in the early rounds of the season. Wests Tigers players will wear Western Suburbs heritage jumpers for the round-five clash with Souths, to mark 50 years since the club's grand-final victory over the Rabbitohs.

It was the club's last first-grade title as the Western Suburbs entity. Half a century later, they're fighting for something different.
 
I would suggest before this thread has a chance to be derailed, that anyone wishing to make comment, please be thoughtful and considerate. This thread will not be allowed to degenerate into a slanging match, it will not become another Balmain V Wests argument and trolling will not be tolerated.

If you have something to say, please keep it to within forum rules. I do not wish to close this thread, but based on previous experience, these issues tend to blow out of proportion quickly and unneccessarily, so please don't let that happen here and try to remain objective.
 
I am disappointed that the Magpie was left off the sleeve. It was a blunder. But I take the view that someone made a mistake and that there was a mixup in the message from camp concord to the designer/producer. I prefer to take this view because surely the club would be sensitive to this issue especially at the moment when it is an issue that doesn't need petrol poured on it. As I said, there must have been an oversight somewhere along the way.
 
@cunno said:
I am disappointed that the Magpie was left off the sleeve. It was a blunder. But I take the view that someone made a mistake and that there was a mixup in the message from camp concord to the designer/producer. I prefer to take this view because surely the club would be sensitive to this issue especially at the moment when it is an issue that doesn't need petrol poured on it. As I said, there must have been an oversight somewhere along the way.

Hopefully that is the case Cunno as there is no excuse otherwise.
 
@stryker said:
@cunno said:
I am disappointed that the Magpie was left off the sleeve. It was a blunder. But I take the view that someone made a mistake and that there was a mixup in the message from camp concord to the designer/producer. I prefer to take this view because surely the club would be sensitive to this issue especially at the moment when it is an issue that doesn't need petrol poured on it. As I said, there must have been an oversight somewhere along the way.

Hopefully that is the case Cunno as there is no excuse otherwise.

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Hopefully an oversight.
My son bought the jersey, i didn't even notice it was missing.
 
Does the team have a predominantly black jersey this season? I still don't understand why they didn't last year. I assumed we are wearing those same jerseys this year because once they chnage they have to keep the same strip for at least three years, don't they?

I think it would be good if, with the regular jerseys, the Wests one actually had the Magpie logo prominent on the left breast and the Tiger logo on each shoulder. And I'm a Balmain Tigers fan originally, so this post isn't being made out of annoyance. I really just think it would be more fair to have the Magpie more prominent than it currently is.
 
I understand that people are upset about the missing magpie and that is fine

But something we really need to think about and recognize is that stories in the press negatively affecting the club or players will effect the players performances on the field

Isn't that the one thing we should of taken from 2011

Starting with the carryover from the Lui incident ,the MacDonalds incident ,the Fifita \Gibbs \Blair issues ,Moltzen issue , The Sheens signing or leaving ,Rhino \Beau to Penrith etc

Strange that we didn't start playing to our full potential until all of these situations had been fully dealt with

Coincidence ,I think not
 
The whole jersey process seemed to be shrouded in uncertainty - it was hard to get information on when or if it was going to be used until very close to the trial. I understand it is an important issue for some so for that reason it was unfortunate but I very much doubt there was any malice involved. I'm sure the Wests board members are capable of finding out what happened and given this jumper won't be worn again in a match the issue will be filed away.
 
@TigersFan4Life said:
Does the team have a predominantly black jersey this season? I still don't understand why they didn't last year. I assumed we are wearing those same jerseys this year because once they chnage they have to keep the same strip for at least three years, don't they?

I think it would be good if, with the regular jerseys, the Wests one actually had the Magpie logo prominent on the left breast and the Tiger logo on each shoulder. And I'm a Balmain Tigers fan originally, so this post isn't being made out of annoyance. I really just think it would be more fair to have the Magpie more prominent than it currently is.

I couldn't support that. As happy as I am to have the Magpie on the sleeve, the team is the Wests Tigers and only the Wests Tigers logo should be on the front of the jersey.
 
Magpies board seem to be handling this in a very professional manner looking forward.

Great signs.
 
This game was a trial and if they say it was an oversight, then I can live with that.

However, in agreement with the terms of the merger, it must be there for all Premiership games….
 
@Liddy said:
This game was a trial and if they say it was an oversight, then I can live with that.

However, in agreement with the terms of the merger, it must be there for all Premiership games….

Totally agree with this. It should definitely be there on the main, alternative and heritage strips.
 
@Yossarian said:
@TigersFan4Life said:
Does the team have a predominantly black jersey this season? I still don't understand why they didn't last year. I assumed we are wearing those same jerseys this year because once they chnage they have to keep the same strip for at least three years, don't they?

I think it would be good if, with the regular jerseys, the Wests one actually had the Magpie logo prominent on the left breast and the Tiger logo on each shoulder. And I'm a Balmain Tigers fan originally, so this post isn't being made out of annoyance. I really just think it would be more fair to have the Magpie more prominent than it currently is.

I couldn't support that. As happy as I am to have the Magpie on the sleeve, the team is the Wests Tigers and only the Wests Tigers logo should be on the front of the jersey.

All this carry on about the Magpie logo…... I don't see the Balmain Tiger logo any where?
 
@Yossarian said:
@TigersFan4Life said:
Does the team have a predominantly black jersey this season? I still don't understand why they didn't last year. I assumed we are wearing those same jerseys this year because once they chnage they have to keep the same strip for at least three years, don't they?

I think it would be good if, with the regular jerseys, the Wests one actually had the Magpie logo prominent on the left breast and the Tiger logo on each shoulder. And I'm a Balmain Tigers fan originally, so this post isn't being made out of annoyance. I really just think it would be more fair to have the Magpie more prominent than it currently is.

I couldn't support that. As happy as I am to have the Magpie on the sleeve, the team is the Wests Tigers and only the Wests Tigers logo should be on the front of the jersey.

You are right. The team is the Weststigers. A JOINT venture between the Balmain Tigers who had the Tiger as their emblem, and the Western Suburbs Magpies, who had the Magpie as their emblem.

It would seem fair to me (and probably legal, depending on the wording of the agreement between the two clubs) that both the Tiger and the Magpie be displayed on every strip worn by the team, both on the field and off it.
 
@magpiecol said:
@Yossarian said:
@TigersFan4Life said:
Does the team have a predominantly black jersey this season? I still don't understand why they didn't last year. I assumed we are wearing those same jerseys this year because once they chnage they have to keep the same strip for at least three years, don't they?

I think it would be good if, with the regular jerseys, the Wests one actually had the Magpie logo prominent on the left breast and the Tiger logo on each shoulder. And I'm a Balmain Tigers fan originally, so this post isn't being made out of annoyance. I really just think it would be more fair to have the Magpie more prominent than it currently is.

I couldn't support that. As happy as I am to have the Magpie on the sleeve, the team is the Wests Tigers and only the Wests Tigers logo should be on the front of the jersey.

You are right. The team is the Weststigers. A JOINT venture between the Balmain Tigers who had the Tiger as their emblem, and the Western Suburbs Magpies, who had the Magpie as their emblem.

It would seem fair to me (and probably legal, depending on the wording of the agreement between the two clubs) that both the Tiger and the Magpie be displayed on every strip worn by the team, both on the field and off it.

That's fine Col and I have no problem with that. I'm talking about the location. It has to be on the sleeve rather than the front.
 
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