Not all black and white: Wests fans spitting feathers

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@wtfl1981 said:
The magpie on the sleeve is part of the JV arrangement (signed at the end of 1999) to honour the link between WT and wests magpies.
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Everyone keeps citing this agreement and yet nobody can produce the document…
 
@Yossarian said:
@wtfl1981 said:
The magpie on the sleeve is part of the JV arrangement (signed at the end of 1999) to honour the link between WT and wests magpies.
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Everyone keeps citing this agreement and yet nobody can produce the document…

it exists mate, I've seen it but I don't get what you are trying to prove.

From memory it reads something like…

"a magpie is to be located permanently on each sleeve of the Wests Tigers playing jersey"

it is part of the documents ratified by the constitution, not written in the actual constitution document itself.
 
@wtfl1981 said:
I dont want to stir debate, just put things in perspective for all WT fans.

Think of this example. I have an old black and white scarf that just has 'magpies' on it. Someone has a similar old scarf in black and gold with the word 'tigers' on it also from the same era.

One can be drapped around a WT fan and nobody would blink an eye or think twice question someone about wearing a tigers scarf.. However, While wearing a black and white magpies scarf, some WT fans (especially younger fans) will wonder what the hell is that guy wearing a magpies scarf for??

Same style scarf, same pre WT era, both from clubs that gave birth to WT, YET one is STILL relevant one is not. Keeping a magpie on the sleeve will keep a permanent link to the birth of WT.

While WT is in my heart, magpies will always be in my blood.

WTFL
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Yes very good point, WTFL. Something else that I have observed, over the years, is that when you tell other people you meet that you support the Wests Tigers, they always, automatically, think that you followed Balmain before the merger! Happens to me all the time. Once I told a Canberra supporter that I followed WT and he came back with -
"Ha! all I can say is remember the 89 Grand Final" - go figure, I couldn't give a rats about the 89 GF! :unamused:
 
Same thing happens to me all the time too.

A bloke at work asked a mate of mine if i was a full on Balmain diehard.

My mate laughed and said to the bloke "you should go ask him for yourself"
 
@galahs said:
@Yossarian said:
@wtfl1981 said:
The magpie on the sleeve is part of the JV arrangement (signed at the end of 1999) to honour the link between WT and wests magpies.
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Everyone keeps citing this agreement and yet nobody can produce the document…

it exists mate, I've seen it but I don't get what you are trying to prove.

From memory it reads something like…

"a magpie is to be located permanently on each sleeve of the Wests Tigers playing jersey"

it is part of the documents ratified by the constitution, not written in the actual constitution document itself.

I'm not trying to have a go or "prove" anything. I just find it odd that everyone keeps quoting it and using to justify their agendas and yet nobody seems to have a copy. Apparently we're just suppose to accept their word for it. I'm not saying anybody is lying but it makes it hard to know if it is being accurately quoted or whether it is still a valid document (i.e. if there is an expiry period). I've seen countless posters saying the agreement says this or that yet apparently if they ever did see it they no longer have access to it.

If I want to hear someone talking about something I've never seen and asking me to take their word for it I'll go to church.
 
Surely this/these Joint Venture agreement documents must be available for fans to scrutinise?
Brett Clarke's explanation that the Magpie had to be placed underneath Trend Micro's logo on the 2011 jerseys seems reasonable to me.
I don't understand why the modern players have to tape their ridiculously short jersey sleeves.
If they didn't then the jersey sleeves could run old school, all the way to the elbows and the magpies could be big
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The constitution clearly states the joint venture agreement cannot be changed without a unanimous decision by all shareholders.

I guess that is the expiry date. If the Magpies agree to remove the Magpie then it can be removed.

No other way.
 
@Montague Street said:
Surely this/these Joint Venture agreement documents must be available for fans to scrutinise?
Brett Clarke's explanation that the Magpie had to be placed underneath Trend Micro's logo on the 2011 jerseys seems reasonable to me.
I don't understand why the modern players have to tape their ridiculously short jersey sleeves.
If they didn't then the jersey sleeves could run old school, all the way to the elbows and the magpies could be big
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When the Magpie was higher on the sleeve it didn't interfere with the sleeve sponsor.

The Wests Tigers are a private company, not a club.

When they say you are becoming a member of the club, well technically you aren't.
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I am not sure is ASIC is able to provide Private Company's constitutions. Either way the Wests Tigers are listed here:
http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?acn=090_076_403&juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1
 
@Montague Street said:
Surely this/these Joint Venture agreement documents must be available for fans to scrutinise?
Brett Clarke's explanation that the Magpie had to be placed underneath Trend Micro's logo on the 2011 jerseys seems reasonable to me.
I don't understand why the modern players have to tape their ridiculously short jersey sleeves.
If they didn't then the jersey sleeves could run old school, all the way to the elbows and the magpies could be big
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Why couldn't the socks have big pictures of magpies on them Top of sock could be a black and gold band and the sock (which would be a white background ) could have a virtual full size Magpie on both ?? Would people be happy with that ??
 
Yet another boring hijack by former Magpies supporters (in which i was ) same old people plugging the same old lines ,.
We are the Wests tigers,accept it or give us a break .
Humpty said it was an oversight,i accept that .It was only a trial jersey that maybe 10,00 Wests fans seen live anyway .
 
@galahs said:
Why can't we just have it on the sleeve like it used to be?

Galahs it can be on the sleeve but a lot of players are wearing tape in the same area

And it would be more prominent (with two magpies) on the socks

Its was just an idea Galahs
 
@1/4 chicken said:
Yet another boring hijack by former Magpies supporters (in which i was ) same old people plugging the same old lines ,.
We are the Wests tigers,accept it or give us a break .
Humpty said it was an oversight,i accept that .It was only a trial jersey that maybe 10,00 Wests fans seen live anyway .

Yet another oversight . . . . . . :laughing:

How many more oversights can the 'Other side' of the joint venture possibly endure ??? How many more times will the Fib trot the line out of "We are celebrating Wests when we play against blah blah blah in our heritage game"

Same old rubbish every single time. When I sent him an email of when Wests played St George Illawarra in a Wests celebration game last year and I asked him why was the advertisment garnished with a thick black and orange diagonal stripe he told me it was an 'Oversight' !!! yeah right.

Its not a boring hijack or theft of the thread mate, its an issue that many people hold dear to their heart.

If you want to talk about hijacks or thefts, look at the title of your name, im sure the real (Sydney Radio caller) 1/4 Chicken and Chips is not too impressed. :unamused:
 
@happy tiger said:
@galahs said:
Why can't we just have it on the sleeve like it used to be?

Galahs it can be on the sleeve but a lot of players are wearing tape in the same area

And it would be more prominent (with two magpies) on the socks

Its was just an idea Galahs

It would be more prominate on the shoulder, that way the position of the sponsor would not have to be moved.

Now theres an idea !!!!! :unamused:
 
@Balmain Bug said:
@happy tiger said:
@galahs said:
Why can't we just have it on the sleeve like it used to be?

Galahs it can be on the sleeve but a lot of players are wearing tape in the same area

And it would be more prominent (with two magpies) on the socks

Its was just an idea Galahs

It would be more prominate on the shoulder, that way the position of the sponsor would not have to be moved.

Now theres an idea !!!!! :unamused:

Please remember I am an old maggie , but what are you blokes going to say if the magpie gets covered up with black tape in the future

Is a Wests official going to run on the field hold up play and make the players remove the tape

I'm not trying to be a smartarse ,I am just trying to think outside the square to come up with a truly viable solution

To come up with a solution to a problem you need to be flexible , not stick our head in the sand and hope and pray that it will just disappear and every thing will be rosy again
 
@Spartan117 said:
Guys,

Arent you happy with the name "Wests" ??

What is that meant to mean?

We should be happy you allowed us to call your Balmain Tigers, Wests?

That is an arrogant comment if I have ever heard one.
It is as much Wests team as it is the Tigers.

Tigers are the main logo and brand. We accept that!

We just want two magpies on each of our shoulders where it wont get covered up, just like we have had for the first 10 years. Why is that so hard to understand?
 
@happy tiger said:
@Balmain Bug said:
@happy tiger said:
@galahs said:
Why can't we just have it on the sleeve like it used to be?

Galahs it can be on the sleeve but a lot of players are wearing tape in the same area

And it would be more prominent (with two magpies) on the socks

Its was just an idea Galahs

It would be more prominate on the shoulder, that way the position of the sponsor would not have to be moved.

Now theres an idea !!!!! :unamused:

Please remember I am an old maggie , but what are you blokes going to say if the magpie gets covered up with black tape in the future

Is a Wests official going to run on the field hold up play and make the players remove the tape

I'm not trying to be a smartarse ,I am just trying to think outside the square to come up with a truly viable solution

To come up with a solution to a problem you need to be flexible , not stick our head in the sand and hope and pray that it will just disappear and every thing will be rosy again

If the Logo is on the shoulder then it will not get covered by tape.
 
I wonder if you guys realize how much money a sleeve sponsorship is worth

The company I work with used to be a sleeve sponsor on an NRL side (one at the time that wasn't successful on the field ) and this is going back about 8 years

The State Manager over a lot of alcohol admitted the amount and I was gobsmacked

That was until he told me how much another bigger more successful team was worth for a sleeve 😱pen_mouth:

Almost triple that figure for the team we did sponsor
 

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