NRL FINALS SYSTEM CHANGED for 2012

[Jazza]

I actually think Week 1 of the McIntyre is superior - 1 should be playing 8, as reward. Problem was always week 2 cross-over, which lead to arbitrary matchups (e.g. 2011 3rd place Broncos belt 6th placed Warriors but cop 5th placed Dragons in Wk2, Warriors cop 4th placed Tigers).

The weakness of this new system is the reliance on home grounds to give advantage. If Tigers take SFS as home ground again, any matchup against a Sydney team nullifies the advantage. E.g. if Tigers finish first and Roosters 4th, the first final at SFS would mean no effective difference between 1st and 4th - both teams get SFS home, both teams get a second chance Wk2 at home.

Similarly, 5th vs 8th is a knock out, but if the teams share a HG there is no effective advantage.

Bottom line is you want to make sure as hell you are in the Top 4.

It is a problem but in saying that, it'll be a problem no matter what system is used. As was shown in 2010 when 3rd placed Tigers played the 6th placed roosters in week 1.

Good to see the commission taking some control whilst also listening to the clubs, I didn't buy into the garbage that the rep fixtures makes the McIntyre system better.

Sure it nullifies the reward for 1st and 2nd a bit in week one, but it helps the teams who finished 3rd and 4th who under the old system can still get knocked out. It also ensures good, tight, high intensity and close matchups and not the blow outs that can happen when 7th and 8th play the top 2\. In my opinion the matches involving 7th and 8th under the old system felt too much like a club round match instead of a final.

What I like about the system is, the higher you place, the better the reward, if you win your finals, you get reward, and if you lose your finals, you get punished, but the punishment is based on how well you did throughout the season.

 

[Blackpearl]

good to see this change
NOW GET RID OF GOLDEN POINT

x 2 ….. good riddance to the worst finals system in the history of any sport !! if a draw at full time thats it ... 1 point each

 

[happy_tiger]

Still think you should only get rewarded for top 5 or 6 at worst

How a team can finish 8th have a negative for and against and a negative win loss ratio and still be possible for them to win the premiership is ridiculous imo

 

[Peaches]

The right decision. The old system was flawed.

 

[Coast_Tiger]

Correct decision.

When/if 2 new teams come in (likely to be Perth and a Qld entity) I'd like to see the NRL move to a divisional system with the 9 Sydney teams (Tigers, Roosters, Souths, Parra, Dogs, Dragons, Manly, Panthers, Sharks) in one conference and the 9 non-Sydney (Brisbane, NQ, Titans, Raiders, Knights, Storm, Warriors, Perth, Brisbane no. 2) teams in another. Basic structure would be:

- Teams play each other in their conference twice (home and away)
- Teams play opponents in the other conference once (4 home, 4 away, 1 neutral)
- Top 4 from each conference qualify for conference finals
- Two weeks of conference finals are played to get top two from each conference who progress to Grand Final Qualifier (semis)
- Highest rank team from each conference plays lowest rank team from other conference in GF Qualifier
- Winners play in GF

I think this system has big benefits in promoting more local derbies (higher crowd figures). It also ensures there are 4 Sydney teams in the finals and 4 teams from the rest of Australia in the finals.

Having a crossover in the finals once you are down to the final 4 in the overall competition means you could still see an all Sydney or all non-Sydney Grand Final.

This system also opens up possibilities like a Conference vs Conference All-Star game at the end of the season (potentially the day before a Grand Final) involving the best players from teams not in the Grand Final.

 

[Blackandwhite]

Still think you should only get rewarded for top 5 or 6 at worst

How a team can finish 8th have a negative for and against and a negative win loss ratio and still be possible for them to win the premiership is ridiculous imo

And my opinion as well, unless of course the 8th placed team was the Tigers then its a bloody great system.

 

[Tigerdave]

good to see this change
NOW GET RID OF GOLDEN POINT

x 2 ….. good riddance to the worst finals system in the history of any sport !! if a draw at full time thats it ... 1 point each

x 3, nice to see that the IC has hit the ground running

 

[Goose]

Still think you should only get rewarded for top 5 or 6 at worst

How a team can finish 8th have a negative for and against and a negative win loss ratio and still be possible for them to win the premiership is ridiculous imo

at least now they have to win 3 games away from home, 2 against top 4 sides to make the GF, they will have to earn it now.

This is a far superior system.

 

[Bazzinator]

Correct decision.

When/if 2 new teams come in (likely to be Perth and a Qld entity) I'd like to see the NRL move to a divisional system with the 9 Sydney teams (Tigers, Roosters, Souths, Parra, Dogs, Dragons, Manly, Panthers, Sharks) in one conference and the 9 non-Sydney (Brisbane, NQ, Titans, Raiders, Knights, Storm, Warriors, Perth, Brisbane no. 2) teams in another. Basic structure would be:

- Teams play each other in their conference twice (home and away)
- Teams play opponents in the other conference once (4 home, 4 away, 1 neutral)
- Top 4 from each conference qualify for conference finals
- Two weeks of conference finals are played to get top two from each conference who progress to Grand Final Qualifier (semis)
- Highest rank team from each conference plays lowest rank team from other conference in GF Qualifier
- Winners play in GF

I think this system has big benefits in promoting more local derbies (higher crowd figures). It also ensures there are 4 Sydney teams in the finals and 4 teams from the rest of Australia in the finals.

Having a crossover in the finals once you are down to the final 4 in the overall competition means you could still see an all Sydney or all non-Sydney Grand Final.

This system also opens up possibilities like a Conference vs Conference All-Star game at the end of the season (potentially the day before a Grand Final) involving the best players from teams not in the Grand Final.

if they were to ever do something like this the way to go would be the NFL system where you get a team from each conference playing in the final.

personally i dont see this happening on a few things the non sydney conference will have a lot of travel which will be a hinderance at the back end probably hear complaints about that. plus with 18 teams the talent pool could be quite thin to fill it up. but you never know could be a big thing for the future

 

[Marshall_magic]

Basically from the change, teams 1, 2, 5 and 6 will suffer, while teams 3, 4, 7 and 8 will benefit. Neither system is particularly good, and in about 3 years this debate will come up again when the same people who whinged about the McIntyre system see the flaws in this system.

 

[happy_tiger]

Still think you should only get rewarded for top 5 or 6 at worst

How a team can finish 8th have a negative for and against and a negative win loss ratio and still be possible for them to win the premiership is ridiculous imo

And my opinion as well, unless of course the 8th placed team was the Tigers then its a bloody great system.

Oh of course that goes without saying

if we finish 8th with a negative for and against and negative win loss record you lock that stupid Happy Tiger up ,steal his keyboard and tell him to shut his mouth until asked to do so

He is an ill informed nitwit and should be on a lifetime mod review 😱pen_mouth: :wink:

 

[Coast_Tiger]

Correct decision.

When/if 2 new teams come in (likely to be Perth and a Qld entity) I'd like to see the NRL move to a divisional system with the 9 Sydney teams (Tigers, Roosters, Souths, Parra, Dogs, Dragons, Manly, Panthers, Sharks) in one conference and the 9 non-Sydney (Brisbane, NQ, Titans, Raiders, Knights, Storm, Warriors, Perth, Brisbane no. 2) teams in another. Basic structure would be:

- Teams play each other in their conference twice (home and away)
- Teams play opponents in the other conference once (4 home, 4 away, 1 neutral)
- Top 4 from each conference qualify for conference finals
- Two weeks of conference finals are played to get top two from each conference who progress to Grand Final Qualifier (semis)
- Highest rank team from each conference plays lowest rank team from other conference in GF Qualifier
- Winners play in GF

I think this system has big benefits in promoting more local derbies (higher crowd figures). It also ensures there are 4 Sydney teams in the finals and 4 teams from the rest of Australia in the finals.

Having a crossover in the finals once you are down to the final 4 in the overall competition means you could still see an all Sydney or all non-Sydney Grand Final.

This system also opens up possibilities like a Conference vs Conference All-Star game at the end of the season (potentially the day before a Grand Final) involving the best players from teams not in the Grand Final.

if they were to ever do something like this the way to go would be the NFL system where you get a team from each conference playing in the final.

personally i dont see this happening on a few things the non sydney conference will have a lot of travel which will be a hinderance at the back end probably hear complaints about that. plus with 18 teams the talent pool could be quite thin to fill it up. but you never know could be a big thing for the future

18 teams is almost inevitable. Perth will be one as there are commercial benefits to be had by expanding to the West (sponsorship, exposure, live Sat night games in later timeslots, etc). Brisbane/Qld need another team also. When we do move to 18 teams the inequality in the draw will be worse if it is kept to 24 games per team. Something will need to change if the games in the regular season aren't increased (or heaven forbid…decreased).

My suggestion is basically the NFL system...just with a tweak to enable the possibility of two teams from the one area to play in the GF. Personally, I like knowing there is a chance at the start of the season that we get to beat Souths in a Grand Final!!! :smiley:

 

[stryker]

The IC has made the decision to scrap that pain in the backside MacKintyre system and adopt the far superior and fairer AFL model.

Good news if you ask me. The Tiges should be up the pointy end of the table at the seasons conclusion and this will certainly help us.

The IC is already proving to be an asset to the game.

 

[Tommy Magpie]

Effen fantastic that the McIntyre system is gone.

 

[everett]

ABOUT TIME COMMON SENSE PROVAILS.

THE TEAMS WHO FINISH 1 AND 2 SHOULD BE REWARDED.

I STILL THINK THE TOP EIGHT IS TOO MANY.

BRING BACK THE TOP 5 WITH THE TEAM FINISHING 1ST GETS A BYE IN THE FIRST WEEK.

WITH THE TOP EIGHT WE ARE AWARDING TO MANY ORDINARY TEAMS A CHANCE AT GRAND FINAL GLORY.

 

[you_know_who]

Its about time the NRL and David Gallop did something about this instead of sitting on there hands like they have in the past few years, it needed overhauling big time. Its cost us plenty in the past few years, i just hope it doesnt turn the other way this year and come and bite us on the you no were this year.

 

[Marshall_magic]

ABOUT TIME COMMON SENSE PROVAILS.

THE TEAMS WHO FINISH 1 AND 2 SHOULD BE REWARDED.

I STILL THINK THE TOP EIGHT IS TOO MANY.

BRING BACK THE TOP 5 WITH THE TEAM FINISHING 1ST GETS A BYE IN THE FIRST WEEK.

WITH THE TOP EIGHT WE ARE AWARDING TO MANY ORDINARY TEAMS A CHANCE AT GRAND FINAL GLORY.

1 and 2 are better rewarded under the McIntyre system.

 

[Andy666]

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[stryker]

The Australian Rugby League Commission has announced a change to the 2012 Telstra Premiership Finals Series at today’s NRL Chief Executives’ meeting in Sydney.

On the day of the official season launch, the Commission informed clubs that it had accepted a recommendation to move away from the McIntyre system which had been a part of the Telstra Premiership since 1999.

For the first time since 1996, the competition will split the top four and the bottom four finalists into separate pools in week one of the Telstra Premiership Finals Series (The Australian Rugby League used such a model in both 1995 and 1996).

Whereas the McIntyre system ‘seeded’ the eight finalists so that the top four played the bottom four, the 2012 system will see the top four teams and bottom four teams split into separate pools in the first week.

“As the competition has become closer and the impact of ‘home and away’ finals matches even more significant, the system has become a source of increasing debate,” ARLC Chief Executive, Mr David Gallop, said today.

“The allocation of ‘home venues’ in the second week of the McIntyre system has been a particular concern.

“After going through a thorough process we are confident that this is the right time for this change.”

The recommendation to the Commission follows an extensive review process conducted by ARLC General Manager of Football Operations, Mr Nathan McGuirk.

“Over the past few months we have been conducting a review with clubs and with the recently formed Competition Committee,” Mr McGuirk said.

“An overwhelming majority of clubs have shifted their support away from the McIntyre system and to one where the top four teams play each other in week one.

“It offers greater protection for the top four teams and the possibility of even closer matches.

“Each of the top four teams needs only to win two finals matches to reach the Grand Final, while the bottom four ranked teams must win three.

“The Minor Premiers and Team 2 are each guaranteed two home games.”

The Telstra Premiership finals system will continue to be played on the basis of ‘home city’ venues in week one and two and ‘home region’ venues in week three.

 

[stryker]

So it is….

Week1
Pool A
1v4 - winner gets home prelim final
1v4 - loser gets home semi final
5v8 - winner gets away semi final against either team 1 or 4.
5v8 - loser of this game is out.

Pool B
2v3 - winner gets home prelim final
2v3 - loser gets home semi final
6v7 - winner gets away semi final against either team 2 or 3.
6v7 - loser of this game is out.

Week2
Pool A - semi final at loser of 1v4 home. Loser out winner plays away at pool B week 1 winners home for prelim.

Pool B - semi final at loser of 2v3 home. Loser out winner plays away at pool A week 1 winners home for prelim.

Week3
Pool A - winner of pool A week 1 v winner of pool B week 2 for prelim. Losers out

Pool B - winner of pool B week 1 v winner of pool A week 2 for prelim. Losers out.

Week 4 - GF 2 prelim winners.