NRL Franchise in Perth

[Juro]

Honestly does anybody think there is enough quality players to go around for another team to start up?.

The way I see it is

More teams = More games = More TV money = Higher NRL grant = Higher salary cap = Less players taking the money in England = More quality players staying in the NRL.

Ideally…

Yeah, my view too. With the increase in the cap, more players, both Australians and O/S, will leave the Super League. There will be more opportunities for the next generation of kids coming through, keeping more kids interested in pursuing a career in rugby league. Kids tossing up whether to play rugby league or rugby union will see the benefits with our code. There may be a few years of lull, but beyond that, the quality will return.

Look at the flip side. What would happen if the NRL went from 16 teams to 10? The quality of those 10 teams would be ridiculous. But then all the fringe players would disappear. Kids would give up hope of playing professionally. And once the current generation of players retires, the quality that would replace them would be inferior. We would be back at square one, but with less of everything…

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

16 teams is the right number for at least 5-10 seasons. The composition of the 16 teams is the problem and there is a clear lack of value.

Before expanding, the NRL should ensure it has 16 teams placed in the correct areas to maximise revenue. Perth is required at a minimum.

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

Benny ELIA$. The bloke who the Balmain faithful put the development of Balmain Leagues, their hopes and dreams in his lap, for him to abandon them, leaving them in financial squaller.

The bloke that refuses to say the word 'Wests' when he talks about the Wests Tigers.

The bloke who in 2005 along with Paul SIRONEN did a lap of honor around the stadium when WESTS Tigers won the comp making out as if he had won a comp.

The bloke that puts personal profit ahead of everything, including his alleged 'Beloved Tigers'.

The bloke sickens me. He did the dirty on the Rozelle project, then he hooked up with Max Delmege at Manly, whilst the Balmain Leagues club was rotting away as a rat infested delapedated building, ELIA$ sat in private boxes at Brookvale oval eating prawns and oysters and drinking champagne, and then he bails out on Delemege when several of Benny's ideas turned sour and personally lost Delmege millions.

Where is ELIA$ now? in the pocket of another millionaire, involving himself in another profit making venture.

Look out WESTS Tigers, I would not put is past 'Balmain' Benny to court Robbie and Benji to this Perth franchise.

You watch, it will happen.

I'm very surprised that this outright attack on the character of an individual passed through the filters, but then I note that the moderator himself has made his own libelous comments. Do you think the publication of this stuff is appropriate? Very disappointed guys, Elias has contributed his time to this JV over a period of more than 12 years and to have you disect his character on the basis of nothing more than his capacity to generate personal wealth is low stuff

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Whats 'libelous' mean? (we dont use fancy words like that up here as we assume life isnt that serious)

 

[Yossarian]

I love that when old Magpies bag the JV they are quoted as heroes but Benny Elias is somehow a pariah? We are talking about a former board member here who has dedicated a large chunk of his time (for free) to the WT.

 

[Yossarian]

Whats 'libelous' mean? (we dont use fancy words like that up here as we assume life isnt that serious)

I thought you'd have an English-Queenslander translation built into your computer by now Watto?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Right, this thread has just been cleaned up due to a number slanderous posts with speculative accusations.

Refrain from making further posts of the like, otherwise they will be removed.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

**<big>Cronulla Sharks seek sponsorship from Tony Sage</big>**
Dean Ritchie The Daily Telegraph February 17, 2012 12:00AM

THE cash-strapped Sharks insist they won't be relocating to West Australia despite approaching Perth billionaire Tony Sage for a $2 million, two-year sponsorship.

After reading about Sage's interest in a NRL Perth franchise, Sharks chairman Damian Irvine will contact Sage to discuss becoming Cronulla's major sponsor for next two years.

Irvine said he would hope to educate Sage, the former Shire schoolboy, in running an NRL club before the Sharks would then support a Perth entry into the NRL for 2015.

Sage lived for three years in the Shire, playing rugby league at Port Hacking High School.

With Cronulla still without a major sponsor (worth about $875,000 a year), Irvine hopes Sage taps into his $800 million wealth.

"If he starts a new club in Perth, Tony could use some expertise and we could build some club synergies," Irvine told The Daily Telegraph.

"But this is in no way a fore-runner for us relocating to Perth that won't happen."

Perth is a front-runner in the expansion race, followed by Ipswich and then Gosford.

Sage was unavailable yesterday but Perth consortium partner Ben Elias said: "If Tony supports Cronulla then fantastic.

"We are certainly genuine in our endeavour to field a Perth NRL side and we appreciate Cronulla's support."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/cronulla-sharks-seek-sponsorship-from-tony-sage/story-e6frexnr-1226273233326

 

[innsaneink]

Honestly does anybody think there is enough quality players to go around for another team to start up?.

No, theres not.
The comp would be diluted, and the games overall quality would dip for a few seasons imo….but theres always players coming thru....short term pain/long term gain imo.

Growth is success and growth is survival

Its the way to go imo. Sage sure dont mind talkin himself up tho....LOL

I know this....I know NIB, I know every sponsor

 

[bbtigers81]

Having a team in Perth would be awesome. Sage talks about Perth crowds, but there a lot of people in Kalgoorlie and other rural areas that would happily make the trek to the big smoke for a game of footy on a regular basis. I am as one eyed a tigers supporter as anyone but I would buy membership of a Perth team if it meant helping establish it in Wait Awhile. Whilst maintaining my Tigers membership of course.
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[GoldXR50Leroy]

My brother lives in Boulder and it's a fair effort to drive to Perth, howver Rugby Union has made big inroads in WA through the Force side and we need to repair all the damage done by the removal of the Perth Reds side sooner rather than later.
If Sage has the money he says he has then let him spend up big while he's still interested.

 

[Jazza]

**<big>Cronulla Sharks seek sponsorship from Tony Sage</big>**
Dean Ritchie The Daily Telegraph February 17, 2012 12:00AM

THE cash-strapped Sharks insist they won't be relocating to West Australia despite approaching Perth billionaire Tony Sage for a $2 million, two-year sponsorship.

After reading about Sage's interest in a NRL Perth franchise, Sharks chairman Damian Irvine will contact Sage to discuss becoming Cronulla's major sponsor for next two years.

**Irvine said he would hope to educate Sage, the former Shire schoolboy, in running an NRL club before the Sharks would then support a Perth entry into the NRL for 2015.**

Sage lived for three years in the Shire, playing rugby league at Port Hacking High School.

With Cronulla still without a major sponsor (worth about $875,000 a year), Irvine hopes Sage taps into his $800 million wealth.

"If he starts a new club in Perth, Tony could use some expertise and we could build some club synergies," Irvine told The Daily Telegraph.

"But this is in no way a fore-runner for us relocating to Perth that won't happen."

Perth is a front-runner in the expansion race, followed by Ipswich and then Gosford.

Sage was unavailable yesterday but Perth consortium partner Ben Elias said: "If Tony supports Cronulla then fantastic.

"We are certainly genuine in our endeavour to field a Perth NRL side and we appreciate Cronulla's support."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/cronulla-sharks-seek-sponsorship-from-tony-sage/story-e6frexnr-1226273233326

LOL educate? More like a desperate dash to get some money into their books.

 

[Tommy Magpie]

We cant handle more than 16 teams. There are not enough quality players. Open the history books and look what happened when the comp was expanded to 20 teams. There were the haves and have-nots. Too lopsided.

While it would be good to have teams in Perth, Gosford, Ipswich, another NZ team and central QLD, only at the expense of existing clubs, keeping the overall number at 16.

My preference would be to shore up the NSW and Qld markets. NRL will never be a truly national game or the #1 sport in VIC, SA or WA, and will always be behind union in NZ. It will only be national in the sense of TV audiences.

Get rid of the Storm (money pit, no support in AFL heartland), get rid of the Sharks (dont need them in the south with STI there), put a new team in Gosford (not the dreaded bears), a new team in Ipswich (the Jets) and relocate either Souths or Easts to central Qld.

Only then look at WA or SA with relocations of existing teams.

Yes, TV rights will be less lucrative and the salary cap will fall. Will lose some players to union and England but not near as many as would be predicted as it is the #1 game and players want to play in it.

 

[westTAHger]

Yes it is a good idea to have a team based in perth.

from a purely business,/financial view:
who is going to pay for all associated costs in you playing there.
air fares/accomodation, transport etc. for both wests-tigers teams. NRL & under 20's
this in itself could put a bit more of a strain on a club which is not doing to well financially.

 

[Yossarian]

Yes it is a good idea to have a team based in perth.

from a purely business,/financial view:
who is going to pay for all associated costs in you playing there.
air fares/accomodation, transport etc. for both wests-tigers teams. NRL & under 20's
this in itself could put a bit more of a strain on a club which is not doing to well financially.

Would it be that much more expensive than Townsville or Auckland? Plus I'm sure the income from an extra game and additional payTV subscribers would more than cover these costs. If they can run a state cup and SG Ball (from memory) teams now I'm sure everyone can handle an NRL and NYC team. I believe they get some cash from the WA Govt to cover this at the moment.

 

[westTAHger]

Yes it is a good idea to have a team based in perth.

from a purely business,/financial view:
who is going to pay for all associated costs in you playing there.
air fares/accomodation, transport etc. for both wests-tigers teams. NRL & under 20's
this in itself could put a bit more of a strain on a club which is not doing to well financially.

Would it be that much more expensive than Townsville or Auckland? Plus I'm sure the income from an extra game and additional payTV subscribers would more than cover these costs. If they can run a state cup and SG Ball (from memory) teams now I'm sure everyone can handle an NRL and NYC team. I believe they get some cash from the WA Govt to cover this at the moment.

if Perth enter, it will be another lot of asscoicated costs.
Yes the costs will be a bit more. which will in turn probably amount to about $8-10 K for the trip.

current prices from sydney to townsville:
virgin $258
qantas $388

sydney to auckland
air new zealand from $340
virgin blue from $371

sydney to perth
jetstar $ 499
virgin $ 526

of course you can get cheaper flights, but i don't think wests-tigers would do that.
little increases here and there, do eventually mount up.
that is the point I am trying to get across.

 

[Jazza]

We cant handle more than 16 teams. There are not enough quality players. Open the history books and look what happened when the comp was expanded to 20 teams. There were the haves and have-nots. Too lopsided.

While it would be good to have teams in Perth, Gosford, Ipswich, another NZ team and central QLD, only at the expense of existing clubs, keeping the overall number at 16.

My preference would be to shore up the NSW and Qld markets. NRL will never be a truly national game or the #1 sport in VIC, SA or WA, and will always be behind union in NZ. It will only be national in the sense of TV audiences.

Get rid of the Storm (money pit, no support in AFL heartland), get rid of the Sharks (dont need them in the south with STI there), put a new team in Gosford (not the dreaded bears), a new team in Ipswich (the Jets) and relocate either Souths or Easts to central Qld.

Only then look at WA or SA with relocations of existing teams.

Yes, TV rights will be less lucrative and the salary cap will fall. Will lose some players to union and England but not near as many as would be predicted as it is the #1 game and players want to play in it.

That might be an ideal situation but as has been shown before, if you get rid of long established teams. The fans that you may gain in the new areas, you certainly lose in the areas where the previous clubs were.

If we stick to no expanding, we will be sitting ducks for the AFL and their expansion. All the money they are putting into their new teams and grassroots in NSW and QLD is from TV rights.

Shrinking the salary cap will mean more players will go to England, Rugby and worst of all, AFL.

As has been said before, increasing the amount of teams will increase the TV rights, which will increase the grant and allow the salary cap to increase. The bigger the salary cap, the more quality players will want to stay in the NRL, which will not only improve the product but also allow us to compete with the other codes in regards to player salaries.

There would be players who would pick League because they love the sport but we don't want a situation where a player who enjoys both codes equally decides to go to AFL because clubs can afford to pay them more through a higher salary cap. That's already happening in cricket and as a consequence of that, AFL dominated states (besides Victoria who have more resources) are not producing any good cricketers and are relying on journeymen from NSW.

 

[Tommy Magpie]

There will never be a mass exodus of players to AFL. They cant play the game and are only used for marketing purposes. If we keep the junior leagues strong then AFL will never me a major threat in NSW or QLD.

 

[hammertime]

**<big>Cronulla Sharks seek sponsorship from Tony Sage</big>**
Dean Ritchie The Daily Telegraph February 17, 2012 12:00AM

THE cash-strapped Sharks insist they won't be relocating to West Australia despite approaching Perth billionaire Tony Sage for a $2 million, two-year sponsorship.

After reading about Sage's interest in a NRL Perth franchise, Sharks chairman Damian Irvine will contact Sage to discuss becoming Cronulla's major sponsor for next two years.

**Irvine said he would hope to educate Sage, the former Shire schoolboy, in running an NRL club before the Sharks would then support a Perth entry into the NRL for 2015.**

Sage lived for three years in the Shire, playing rugby league at Port Hacking High School.

With Cronulla still without a major sponsor (worth about $875,000 a year), Irvine hopes Sage taps into his $800 million wealth.

"If he starts a new club in Perth, Tony could use some expertise and we could build some club synergies," Irvine told The Daily Telegraph.

"But this is in no way a fore-runner for us relocating to Perth that won't happen."

Perth is a front-runner in the expansion race, followed by Ipswich and then Gosford.

Sage was unavailable yesterday but Perth consortium partner Ben Elias said: "If Tony supports Cronulla then fantastic.

"We are certainly genuine in our endeavour to field a Perth NRL side and we appreciate Cronulla's support."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/cronulla-sharks-seek-sponsorship-from-tony-sage/story-e6frexnr-1226273233326

LOL educate? More like a desperate dash to get some money into their books.

I thought it was pretty funny too!

The worst run league club in australia demonstrates how bad they are, by firstly talking down to a potential sponsor, then asking him for cash.

… please don't take 'lessons' off them Tony. We want Perth to be a success!

 

[Jazza]

There will never be a mass exodus of players to AFL. They cant play the game and are only used for marketing purposes. If we keep the junior leagues strong then AFL will never me a major threat in NSW or QLD.

I'm talking more about grassroots/schoolboy level when at around the age of 15 a kid has to make a decision, whether to decide on an AFL career or an NRL career. We don't want kids picking AFL because they can earn more money in an AFL career compared to an NRL career. This is what's happening in cricket at the moment, talented players are deciding to go to AFL instead of cricket and as a consequence the talent isnt quite there in state cricket anymore in states such as WA and SA.

This is why we need to increase the salary cap and the best way to do that is to bring a couple of more teams in such as Perth so the TV rights can be higher to allow the grant and the cap to increase.