NRLW to get its first Transgender player next season -Updated

innsaneink said:
Seems unfair to me for some to get a choice while the majority of us just go with what were born with...I understand TG are also born a certain way but maybe in an incorrect body, its very complex and diffcult to implement a rule across the board for all when its more an individual or case by case scenario...I really dont know things get too complicated as im getting older and I try to keep up with all the evolution of everything but i really just wanna step back and chill, go fishin
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And that evolution wants to stop you from fishing. Not just you, ink . . . . they want to ban fishing. Because fish feel pain according to a vegan scientist. And that means cruelty to animals.
Be careful who you vote for, this is their actual agenda, driven by some climate change protesting vegan hippie chaining herself to the Harbour bridge.
Yet another case of a minority that wants to change the world to suit themselves.
They are tolerant, embracing, unprejudiced and open . . . until you disagree with them.
 
Cobarcats said:
Sorry mate all googly goop to me, I am so against it, 💯%
I'm not having a go at you or the transgenders or whatever name they come up with in the future for something they discovered and want to run with because of political correctness and the equality card.
If your born a man, you a man. If your missing a chromosome and have a hormone imbalance and your expert health authority [not some quack[ recommends for your own health, physically or mentally, that you should undergo treatment fair enough.
If that is the case and that person has undergone a FULL transformation then I agree that that person could be considered a female in appearance only.
The debate then should be whether that person is suitable to play in 'women' sport because you can't change the person entirely, bone structure, genetically stronger etc. What are the parameters?
Most people who I've talked to about it and the majority of people on this forum are against it so what makes you think Australia as a whole would be all for it.
Certainly not my generation anyway.
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I prefer to view it like I see you and myself, each a unique individual that was born with certain attributes and development that was already predetermined by our genetic make-up. You have been further moulded by your upbringing, environmental and situational, along with latter life choices and experiences, to now be filled with a combination of happy memories and degrees of suffering, with everything in between as do I.

Had chance swapped one of each of our parents, we would both be very different individuals, one of us could even be a transgender person as a result, else we could be an uncle of or dealing with a child of ours that is. Statistically, probably not, but it narrows as the family tree grows and we have no say in it, just as the transgender individual doesn't.

Generational thoughts as a whole are certainly a powerful factor, which engenders those growing up within it. I grew up surrounded by plenty of ignorance, but was fortunate to have a caring father and a great year 6 teacher that helped break me from it.
 
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formerguest said:
While we are on the identity bit, a vastly greater number of males that identify as heterosexual have sex with transgender persons, with or without a 🍆, than their number.

I also read some time ago about many of those same men otherwise despise them. Some Vehemently.

Just wondering, as 'thou doth protest too much' comes to mind , if any that are complaining about them in this thread are among that number?
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We are discussing transgenders is sport, not sexual intercourse with the same gender.
This is why people fear to have this discussion or speak their opinion.
Somehow it gets twisted that people are homophobic for being against it.
You've managed to even put people on the forum as closet homosexuals for being against it.
Nobody is having this discussion besides you.
 
formerguest said:
I prefer to view it like I see you and myself, each a unique individual that was born with certain attributes and development that was already predetermined by our genetic make-up. You have been further moulded by your upbringing, environmental and situational, along with latter life choices and experiences, to now be filled with a combination of happy memories and degrees of suffering, with everything in between as do I.

Had chance swapped one of each of our parents, we would both be very different individuals, one of us could even be a transgender person as a result, else we could be an uncle of or dealing with a child of ours that is. Statistically, probably not, but it narrows as the family tree grows and we have no say in it, just as the transgender individual doesn't.

Generational thoughts as a whole are certainly a powerful factor, which engenders those growing up within it. I grew up surrounded by plenty of ignorance, but was fortunate to have a caring father and a great year 6 teacher that helped break me from it.
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Good grief, are you hinting I'm ignorant because that's the way I fell from a tree?
I said not long ago that we have a homosexual golfer in our team who acts like one if the boys.
He's a great fella. The reason why he fits in with us is because he doesn't act or push his preferences onto us and make us feel uncomfortable.
His existence does not have anything to do with my lifestyle. If it did, I would distance myself from him. That's my right.
Same goes for a hetrosexual couple kissing and carressing on a crowded bus, you just don't do it.
The point is, you can't make rules or act in a particular way that is going to affect the majority.
Your talking about ones mindset and attitudes. Individuals can't thrust this or their agenda onto anyone. That's how wars start.
The reason we have the lifestyle we enjoy today is because we worked so dammed hard to get to where we are now.
Passing the buck and wiping our hands by throwing it in the too hard basket is not the right thing to do.
I agree that transexuals, transgenders etc do have the right to live their lives in a way they feel comfortable with but not if it is to the detriment of other people's core values and emotions.
I'm not saying they can't have surgery, treatment and act feminine either, that's not my point.
I hope in 10-30 years from now there is a wonderful society for my grandkids.
I hope that babies aren't applied for and chivalry is still going. Treat women as ladies and act like gentleman.
Just be careful in erecting a hyperdome before the roads and traffic system leading to and away from it are improved, that's all I'm saying.
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formerguest said:
While we are on the identity bit, a vastly greater number of males that identify as heterosexual have sex with transgender persons, with or without a 🍆, than their number.

I also read some time ago about many of those same men otherwise despise them. Some Vehemently.

Just wondering, as 'thou doth protest too much' comes to mind , if any that are complaining about them in this thread are among that number?
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I’d say they’d be only two .. you and paws 🐾 😆
 
Cobarcats said:
I hope that babies aren't applied for and chivalry is still going. Treat women as ladies and act like gentleman.
Just be careful in erecting a hyperdome before the roads and traffic system leading to and away from it are improved, that's all I'm saying.
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Erecting....he said erecting.... ha h aha h aha a a ah ah ah ah aha ah ahah ah aha
 
The physical difference's between men and women are real and important.

Just imagine now that if our men's NRL team had a player who has 30% more upper body strength, 25% thicker skin, and also had denser, stronger bones, tendons, and ligaments, and a larger heart and lungs?

This type of a player would win us games all by himself,
What would you call this type of a player?

This type of a player hasn't existed or will ever exist in the men's NRL.

But this type of a player under the Description of transwoman (born as male) is invited and being considered
to play in the Woman's NRL?

I'll now just say this that if the People at the NRL who are responsible for this and get this policy wrong, and one of these woman gets seriously injured whether it be someone's daughter, sister, or wife, then those people at the NRL shouldn't be sacked but they should be imprisoned.
 
FinestTigers said:
The physical difference's between men and women are real and important.

Just imagine now that if our men's NRL team had a player who has 30% more upper body strength, 25% thicker skin, and also had denser, stronger bones, tendons, and ligaments, and a larger heart and lungs?

This type of a player would win us games all by himself,
What would you call this type of a player?

This type of a player hasn't existed or will ever exist in the men's NRL.

But this type of a player under the Description of transwoman (born as male) is invited and being considered
to play in the Woman's NRL?

I'll now just say this that if the People at the NRL who are responsible for this and get this policy wrong, and one of these woman gets seriously injured whether it be someone's daughter, sister, or wife, then those people at the NRL shouldn't be sacked but they should be imprisoned.
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So what if the trans woman isn't physiologically similar to a juiced up bloke who can bench 200kg but is more or less like a typical WNRL player.

Would you accept that she could play WNRL?
 
Papacito said:
So what if the trans woman isn't physiologically similar to a juiced up bloke who can bench 200kg but is more or less like a typical WNRL player.

Would you accept that she could play WNRL?
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Yeah, exactly. You could have regular tests based on standards for height:weight and strength. Exceed weight or strength and 'fail' until you drop the weight off.
 
Papacito said:
So what if the trans woman isn't physiologically similar to a juiced up bloke who can bench 200kg but is more or less like a typical WNRL player.

Would you accept that she could play WNRL?
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Mate I appreciate your reply, but this thread is about females v transwoman (born as male), and your question refers to a naturally born female versus another female,
These female players and their coaches knew what to expect from playing this game with other female players but they never had expected to play against a Man who is now described as a transwoman.

All the facts are there about the significant natural physical differences about men and woman,

And all the surgeries and medications can never turn a male into a 100% Woman.
 
Papacito said:
So what if the trans woman isn't physiologically similar to a juiced up bloke who can bench 200kg but is more or less like a typical WNRL player.

Would you accept that she could play WNRL?
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Any male who transforms into a female to the extent that he ‘physiologically’ resembles the strength, density and muscle mass of a natural woman, would not be interested in full contact sport. He would be considered extremely skinny.
 
matchball said:
We are discussing transgenders is sport, not sexual intercourse with the same gender.
This is why people fear to have this discussion or speak their opinion.
Somehow it gets twisted that people are homophobic for being against it.
You've managed to even put people on the forum as closet homosexuals for being against it.
Nobody is having this discussion besides you.
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No, nothing to do with homosexuals or homophobia at all. You may be discussing such and conflating them with transgender persons, but I certainly am not.

Rather, that the loudest angry voices on transgender issues are more likely to be making such a fuss about it because of their desires and insecurities, than those that are not attacking them.
 
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