OK serious expectations for tomorrow?

jirskyr

jirskyr

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The noise seems to be Ivan Cleary to take over as coach tomorrow, 11am or so.

What do we as fans expect him to do this week? What are your suggestions? I mean something constructive, not just crazy stuff like "sack all the players".

Does he change the defensive structure straight away? Does he shift players?

Personally, I want just a little new blood in the side. Cleary won't have had much time to judge the cattle but I think a few minor changes can help. Moses is playing like a busted but with Brooks out I can't see anything being different in the halves.

I'd push Frozone to the wing, bring Suli in to centres. Suli doesn't have the experience for winger, he's getting found out in defence. I'd move Aloiai to the bench (bring Sue up), I don't think he can handle the opening yet. Liddle obviously returns for Ballin if he's fit. I'd bring Tatola or Felise onto the bench, we need to start blooding these young forwards, we need more starch and young power. I'd drop MCK.
 
Ask me in a month..I don't expect he will change anything to the side bar injury and suspension before then..

I would make similar changes to you but be flicking Naiqama before Chee-Kam..the Young bench forwards (Felise and Tatola) need a shot..
 
I think Alioai handles the Start as good as anyone. I do think Kev may defend better on the wing but i dont even want to try. The fact that idiot goes in on Moses' man every single time week after week makes me want to out the guy down.
 
Well, at least the ISP team had a win today but I haven't yet seen Tatola play at that level. I'd bring up Felise as he should have some match fitness by now. I'm disappointed with the way that Suli runs the kick returns back so he'd go into the centres with Hunt on the wing. Sue needs to stay in the prop rotation. I'm happy with Aloiai in the second row. Kev and MCK to ISP. So, all in all I expect Cleary to make minimal, if any changes for a while until he gets to know the players better but his options for this year are very limited.
 
Cleary's strength is bringing young blokes through and having the confidence to stick with them

I imagine we will see a few new faces or different faces in different roles

I imagine he hasn't slept for two weeks and has had his head stuck in Tigers video footage
 
Get Tim Sheens on the phone and get his shuffle the chairs input.
Here is mine.
Lawrence to 6, Mcilllrick to 7 Moses to 9.
Littlejohn to replace Kev in the centre.
 
Agree re: expectations - need a couple of little changes which would improve things immediately. Suli and Kev swapping is a no-brainer.
I agree re: your point on Aloiai, but I think we're best served with Sue on the bench as well to help with the prop rotation, so not really sure what the solution is there.
Haven't seen ISP for a few weeks, but I'd be looking at Felise in the 17 somewhere if he's ready. Doing so would allow for Sue to start as you suggest.
I thought MCK was good off the bench today, and allows a bit of versatility off the bench in the case of an injury in the backs.
Hard to sort in a week (or even a month), but we need to straighten the attack. Want to see some signs of this at least.
Sign a wrestling coach for god's sake.

More than anything, he needs to expedite their match fitness as well, because they're still so far off where they need to be it's not funny.
 
APRIL 2 2017 - 6:57PM

Wests Tigers expected to announce Ivan Cleary as coach on Monday after fourth straight loss

Michael Chammas - SMH

The Wests Tigers are expected to announce Ivan Cleary as coach on Monday after notching their fourth consecutive loss of the season against the Dragons.

The Tigers are finalising the details of their contract with Cleary and are likely to formalise the deal in time to throw Cleary into the job ahead of their round-six road trip to North Queensland.

Interim coach Andrew Webster hasn't been told whether he will once again be in the hot seat when the Tigers travel to Townsville, but it won't change how hard he will work to ensure he leads the club out of the slump.

"I'm not sure who is going to be fixing [the problems]," Webster said after the loss to the Dragons at ANZ Stadium. "I'm not sure. As I said during the week, we'll find out. Tomorrow we turn up ready to go for next week. If I'm an assistant coach or in the interim role again, we'll be working hard to fix the problems."

The Tigers had plenty of opportunities to inflict damage against the Dragons, however they lacked the class to capitalise on their chances.

Moses Suli had an opportunity to reduce an eight-point deficit midway through the second half, however he couldn't control a Jack Littlejohn grubber - which was compounded by the Dragons scoring at the other end of the field soon after.

"I thought we were in the game," Webster said. "We had plenty of ball and plenty of opportunities on their line but we either didn't execute or got disheartened with what we were doing. We dropped the ball over the line and then they go down our end and score.

"We have to get on with the next job - and that's to defend. We can't be thinking about it. I know they were up 14-0 but we had enough opportunity to score points there in the first and second half."

Skipper Aaron Woods was refusing to give up on the season.

"It's tough at the moment with everything that's happening but all we can do is work hard each day," he said.

"I have 100 per cent faith in all the boys we have here. It's not as if we're not trying. I think we just got a little bit frustrated out there tonight. We had a lot of opportunities but we just couldn't capitalise on it."
 
I guess it depends on who he brings with him.
If he has his own defense coach/es or not
Maybe that wont happen until next year and onwards Id say.
Hopefully he can tweak the defensive issues, no time like the present to start on this major fault
 
I'm more concerned about what he does off the field. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when he sits down with Tedesco.
 
We're pretty much ground zero. Cleary is the guy coming in to clear the rubble. The first thing you do when clearing the rubble is search for survivors. I think there's only 4 or 5 survivors at best buried in our rubble. Are those survivors willing to be saved. That's the question.
 
Ok we are all awaiting Cleary to come in and salvage something for this year,in my opinion he will have a tough few weeks sorting out this team and getting them to play like professional NRL players…
My other opinion which many will bash me with is,the money we have spent on Brooks,Moses and Suli is way over the top for unproven underperforming players and must come to an end..

Brooks and Moses touted to be the biggest stars of the NRL once they get to FG,they haven't performed that way and don't seem to be able to after 3 seasons in the NRL..they want big money for way to little performance,and both have shown their weaknesses.....

Suli is young,however 1.3 mill over 3 years and yet to produce in the NRL,he should be in State Cup to get used to playing against seasoned players first..you could see he tries but hasn't the experience to be competitive eg,he dropped a catch that led to Saints scoring,couldnt control the ball and score,which would of put us in a better position confidence wise,he drifted infield a lot and left players unmarked or Widdop just kicked behind him and they score...

I know we haven't got much,but some of the players we have can play,but aren't improving,they are going backwards at a huge rate...Suli can stay he will learn,especially with good coaching,Brooks and Moses can go as far as I'm concerned or go to state cup with a pay cut..

Teddy is the real deal and virtually carries this team as does Woods..they are both rep players...

Best of luck Ivan,you will need plenty of it....
 
I actually just want to see an improved defensive line and some heart over the next 10 weeks. Scores are irrelevant at this stage all that's important is improvement. Honestly I see this s3ason as done but if Cleary can put things into place where we are competitive every week I'll be happy.
 
Personally I'd like to see the following changes:

1\. Kev to wing swap with Suli to centres (lack of options to replace Kev)
2\. Tim Grant to be dropped and replaced by one of our big youngsters coming through - I don't care which one, the closest to being ready will do (Tim seems to be the main culprit up the middle with Sue). Sue has been repositioned correctly.
3\. Ballin to officially retire (another knee injury) as when the body is screaming at you to hang the boots its time to listen (He can earn his pay in the office and the money saved maybe can immediately buy us a centre/2nd rower)

On a personal note I was ok and expecting to hold 3 out of the 4 (Brooks to leave) but lately I'm more accepting of getting rid of 3 or even four.

Imagine what we can buy with money that the 4 are asking for and more importantly shifting the power from the players hands to management …...priceless.
 
What can he do other than shuffle the deck chairs?
Im personally wondering if all the media chatter about (The Big Four) is acting to relatively devalue the other players and cause a rift in the ranks.
The other thing I'm wondering is that due to our player limitations, we have been playing to structures that minimise those limitations and other teams have had all last season to read what we're going to do.
Cleary can hopefully change things up in attack at least. I don't hold much hope that he can work a miracle in defence.
 
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We're pretty much ground zero. Cleary is the guy coming in to clear the rubble. The first thing you do when clearing the rubble is search for survivors. I think there's only 4 or 5 survivors at best buried in our rubble. Are those survivors willing to be saved. That's the question.
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Good analogy.

Though at the moment if "survivor" = "first grade footballer" I can't see much past Tedesco and Woods. Elijah Taylor maybe. Idris oddly looked liked he might be worth persevering with yesterday, though in any decent side he should be getting fit in reggies till round 10 (in any decent side he wouldn't have come out of pre-season unfit but that ship has sailed).

And that's about it.
 
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I'm more concerned about what he does off the field. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when he sits down with Tedesco.
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Yeh, that will be interesting, not much that he can say except "the rest of your team mates suck and I'll promise I'll replace the lot, and you have free access to the canteen whenever you want"
 
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