One home ground

[Tiger5150]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

I'm not suggesting there would be a loss.

but you are advocating for OHG regardless of the commercial agreement?

 

[gallagher]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

The premise is wrong. Why does there have to be a loss? How about a 2K, 20K or 200K profit.


The premise is not wrong. You and Gallagher are making the point that "we should be arms deep in that pie" without even knowing what the commercial considerations are. **Under the current circumstances, that would be a loss pure and simple.** In the future, under yet to be known agreements, that could be a loss or a profit. The point is you, Gallagher and I dont know if it would be a loss or a profit, however you and Gallagher are arguing that we should do it anyway, so the premise is valid......if we are doing it no matter what, the decision is made that the possibility a loss would be acceptable.

So how much? Or it doesnt matter?

You don't know it would be a loss. Geo has already corrected your 'knowledge'. You reckon Venues NSW woudn't accept a low drawing opponent despite them accepting Manly as an opponent this year while LO gets a high drawing opponent .

Meanwhile you accept LO operates at a loss.

 

[gallagher]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

I'm not suggesting there would be a loss.


but you are advocating for OHG regardless of the commercial agreement?

Never said that.

 

[Tiger5150]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

The premise is wrong. Why does there have to be a loss? How about a 2K, 20K or 200K profit.


The premise is not wrong. You and Gallagher are making the point that "we should be arms deep in that pie" without even knowing what the commercial considerations are. **Under the current circumstances, that would be a loss pure and simple.** In the future, under yet to be known agreements, that could be a loss or a profit. The point is you, Gallagher and I dont know if it would be a loss or a profit, however you and Gallagher are arguing that we should do it anyway, so the premise is valid......if we are doing it no matter what, the decision is made that the possibility a loss would be acceptable.

So how much? Or it doesnt matter?

You don't know it would be a loss. ***Geo has already corrected*** your 'knowledge'. You reckon Venues NSW woudn't accept a low drawing opponent despite them accepting Manly as an opponent this year while LO gets a high drawing opponent .

You cant be selective about the truth Gallagher. Geo pointed out that my 'knowledge' wasnt incorrect but was outdated and has since changed and I complete acknowledge that that may be the case. You quote Geo "correcting" me, but choose not to quote him where he confirmed that Venues NSW do not want Tigers v NQ or any of the low drawing games. That bit doesnt count? Just the bit that "corrects" me?

Meanwhile you accept LO operates at a loss.

Not at all, I didnt say that. LO breaks even at worst, maybe a small profit. The same games would result in a loss a Venues NSW stadia.


YOu and I are done here if you are going to be manipulative and dishonest.

 

[Tiger5150]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

I'm not suggesting there would be a loss.


but you are advocating for OHG regardless of the commercial agreement?

Never said that.

Thats why its a question.

Is that your position?

 

[gallagher]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

I'm not suggesting there would be a loss.


but you are advocating for OHG regardless of the commercial agreement?

Never said that.


Thats why its a question.

Is that your position?

Never has been. But that might be outdated!!!!

???

 

[Tiger5150]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

I'm not suggesting there would be a loss.


but you are advocating for OHG regardless of the commercial agreement?

Never said that.


Thats why its a question.

Is that your position?

Never has been. But that might be outdated!!!!

???

Done

 

[gallagher]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

The premise is wrong. Why does there have to be a loss? How about a 2K, 20K or 200K profit.


The premise is not wrong. You and Gallagher are making the point that "we should be arms deep in that pie" without even knowing what the commercial considerations are. **Under the current circumstances, that would be a loss pure and simple.** In the future, under yet to be known agreements, that could be a loss or a profit. The point is you, Gallagher and I dont know if it would be a loss or a profit, however you and Gallagher are arguing that we should do it anyway, so the premise is valid......if we are doing it no matter what, the decision is made that the possibility a loss would be acceptable.

So how much? Or it doesnt matter?

You don't know it would be a loss. ***Geo has already corrected*** your 'knowledge'. You reckon Venues NSW woudn't accept a low drawing opponent despite them accepting Manly as an opponent this year while LO gets a high drawing opponent .


You cant be selective about the truth Gallagher. Geo pointed out that my 'knowledge' wasnt incorrect but was outdated and has since changed and I complete acknowledge that that may be the case. You quote Geo "correcting" me, but choose not to quote him where he confirmed that Venues NSW do not want Tigers v NQ or any of the low drawing games. That bit doesnt count? Just the bit that "corrects" me?

Meanwhile you accept LO operates at a loss.

Not at all, I didnt say that. LO breaks even at worst, maybe a small profit. The same games would result in a loss a Venues NSW stadia.


YOu and I are done here if you are going to be manipulative and dishonest.

It was you who accepted Geo's correction, not me?. I've already asked Geo how does Bankwest accept a manly game if they don't accept low drawing opponents. I can't make him reply.

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

The premise is wrong. Why does there have to be a loss? How about a 2K, 20K or 200K profit.


The premise is not wrong. You and Gallagher are making the point that "we should be arms deep in that pie" without even knowing what the commercial considerations are. **Under the current circumstances, that would be a loss pure and simple.** In the future, under yet to be known agreements, that could be a loss or a profit. The point is you, Gallagher and I dont know if it would be a loss or a profit, however you and Gallagher are arguing that we should do it anyway, so the premise is valid......if we are doing it no matter what, the decision is made that the possibility a loss would be acceptable.

So how much? Or it doesnt matter?

You don't know it would be a loss. ***Geo has already corrected*** your 'knowledge'. You reckon Venues NSW woudn't accept a low drawing opponent despite them accepting Manly as an opponent this year while LO gets a high drawing opponent .


You cant be selective about the truth Gallagher. Geo pointed out that my 'knowledge' wasnt incorrect but was outdated and has since changed and I complete acknowledge that that may be the case. You quote Geo "correcting" me, but choose not to quote him where he confirmed that Venues NSW do not want Tigers v NQ or any of the low drawing games. That bit doesnt count? Just the bit that "corrects" me?

Meanwhile you accept LO operates at a loss.

Not at all, I didnt say that. LO breaks even at worst, maybe a small profit. The same games would result in a loss a Venues NSW stadia.


YOu and I are done here if you are going to be manipulative and dishonest.

 

[gallagher]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

I'm not suggesting there would be a loss.


but you are advocating for OHG regardless of the commercial agreement?

Never said that.


Thats why its a question.

Is that your position?

Never has been. But that might be outdated!!!!

???


Done

Just when I was about to be enlightened. ?

 

[Needaname]

However, the club believes it has more of a connection with the west rather than the city,

Funny that

 

[Needaname]

Of all the sporting clubs, in all sports, all over the world we are the one club that uses 4 grounds in the one city.
Odds are that we are the dumb arses.



Unless 4's not enough. Maybe 10 home grounds. Collect up all these casual fans longing for a game day experience.

Lennon bros circus still about? maybe Pascoe could do a deal with the owners and have Wests play under the big top in a new town every fortnight. During the week most of the team would look right at home in face paint and all piling out the back of a small car.

I reckon we would be better off trading our win outcomes for money.
Play a home game at every other teams home ground. With 9 Sydney clubs we’d still have plenty of opportunities to see them play. And guys in Queensland would be able to see them play 4-6 times.
Imagine the money we would save!
Imagine the resilience we would build through the playing squad!
Wests Nomads!

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

From 2014:

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/home-truths-why-playing-at-big-venues-pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html#ixzz31MVgn900

WESTS TIGERS – Leichhardt Oval, Campbelltown Sports Stadium, ANZ Stadium



LEICHHARDT OVAL

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $65,000 (Ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $200,000 for a sell-out crowd at Leichhardt Oval. There is a budgeted difference in average ticket price between Leichhardt and Campbelltown, with about a $4-a-head higher return at Leichhardt. Undercover seats at the Leichhardt ground are scarce, therefore the higher premium charge.

Corporate: $55,000 (capacity of 550 at approximately $100 a head)

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 a head ($35,000 in round five)

Signage: Only one stand for signage opportunity not in television range.

Average crowd: 14,279 for the past three seasons (five of the past 13games against Sydney teams).





CAMPBELLTOWN SPORTS STADIUM

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $70,000 (ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $170,000 for a sell-out crowd at Campelltown.

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 per head ($16,000 in round six for a crowd of just more than 6000)

Corporate: $47,000 (capacity of 470 at appx $100 a head)

Signage: Greatest opportunity for signage sales of all three venues because the club has 100 per cent inventory. However, appeal is lower because games are rarely on free-to-air television.

Average crowd: 13,256 for the past three years. (Six of the past 13games against Sydney teams)





ANZ STADIUM

Capacity: 82,000

Expenditure – Operational costs: $10,000-$15,000

Revenue

ANZ Stadium: In excess of $125,000 average guarantee.

Ticket sales: $0 (ANZ Stadium receive the money from ticket sales. There is a profit-share agreement in place for when all operational costs, including gate receipts, are met. This is an incentive for the club and venue to maximise crowds and receive an equal split.)

Merchandise: Budget for $1.50 a person, with average crowd attendances budgeted for 22,000 a game. On Easter Monday, as the away team, the club sold $16,000 worth of merchandise outside the stadium. The club was not entitled to merchandise rights at the ANZ Stadium and had to sell outside the ground).

Corporate: Estimated $70,000 (maximum capacity in excess of 1000)

Signage: Shared inventory for big screen and signage.

Average crowd: This is the first year of a new deal at ANZ Stadium. The Tigers averaged 18,018 at Allianz Stadium (one game at the SCG) during the past three years. Ten of the 12 games were against Sydney teams, the other two were against the Broncos. Their only home game at ANZ Stadium this year attracted 20,061.

Wests Tigers: The Tigers played some games at ANZ Stadium between 2005 and 2008, but in 2009 the club’s former administration signed a deal with Allianz Stadium to play four games a year at the venue. The club decided against extending its stay in the city despite being offered $100,000 a game to play at Allianz Stadium.

They are now in the first year of a 10-year deal with ANZ Stadium worth close to $500,000 for four games with the potential to play up to six games a year. The club put up an online poll before moving to ANZ Stadium, with 51per cent of fans voting in favour of the Olympic Park venue compared with 49 per cent at Allianz. However, the club believes it has more of a connection with the west rather than the city, plus it provides an opportunity to offer cheaper entry-level memberships worth $50 for eight games at ANZ Stadium (four home games and four away games with reciprocal membership rights). They now work in partnership with ANZ Stadium to promote the game, whereas at Leichhardt and Campbelltown they are the sole promoters.

‘‘The more games played at ANZ Stadium, the more leverage the game and the venue has with state and federal government to consistently upgrade and develop not only the facility but the precinct to provide customers an improved match-day experience,’’ Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer said. While some details of the finances of each club are private and confidential, Mayer believes sharing this information is beneficial for the game to drive greater commercial benefits for each club.

‘‘If the clubs pooled resources and negotiated as one, then our buying power is magnified exponentially and that increases the commercial return for the clubs,’’ Mayer said.


Its a false comparison and pretty much reinforces the case to play at Leichhardt and Campbelltown.

The $125,000 "average guarantee" (I believe it is closer to $100K now) is based on playing smaller crowds (that ANZ would LOSE money on) at Leichhardt and Campbelltown. What do you think would happen to that "average guarantee" if you said to ANZ (Stadiums NSW), "yeah but we also want to play another 6 games at your place, but you will lose money on each of them"? The guarentee would go down, naturally. Its business.

Seriously dont see why its an issue. The current situation works well for all parties and we wouldnt win a single extra game if we played all of our games out of ANZ.

South's and the dogs have played most their games there for years. Roosters at SFS, donkeys at Suncorp It works.


Does that mean it cant be done better? Do you think that if Redfern and Belmore met NRL specs they wouldnt take NQ or Titans games there if they could make money and keep fans happy?

Dogs have been taking 1 game a year to Belmore, not last year though, 1 game a year be ok.

I don't see the cowboys taking games to dairy farmers.

COWBOYS have a state of the art new stadium they'll be going no where is dairy farmers still standing.Belmore is good enough to support one game a year playing surface is fine amenities sufficient.

 

[happy_tiger]

From 2014:

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/home-truths-why-playing-at-big-venues-pays-off-for-sydney-clubs-20140426-zr05p.html#ixzz31MVgn900

WESTS TIGERS – Leichhardt Oval, Campbelltown Sports Stadium, ANZ Stadium



LEICHHARDT OVAL

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $65,000 (Ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $200,000 for a sell-out crowd at Leichhardt Oval. There is a budgeted difference in average ticket price between Leichhardt and Campbelltown, with about a $4-a-head higher return at Leichhardt. Undercover seats at the Leichhardt ground are scarce, therefore the higher premium charge.

Corporate: $55,000 (capacity of 550 at approximately $100 a head)

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 a head ($35,000 in round five)

Signage: Only one stand for signage opportunity not in television range.

Average crowd: 14,279 for the past three seasons (five of the past 13games against Sydney teams).





CAMPBELLTOWN SPORTS STADIUM

Capacity: 20,000

Expenditure: Operational costs: $70,000 (ground rental, hiring of the big screen, ushers, security, police, cleaning and waste removal).

Revenue

Ticket sales: $170,000 for a sell-out crowd at Campelltown.

Merchandise: Roughly worth $1.20 to $1.50 per head ($16,000 in round six for a crowd of just more than 6000)

Corporate: $47,000 (capacity of 470 at appx $100 a head)

Signage: Greatest opportunity for signage sales of all three venues because the club has 100 per cent inventory. However, appeal is lower because games are rarely on free-to-air television.

Average crowd: 13,256 for the past three years. (Six of the past 13games against Sydney teams)





ANZ STADIUM

Capacity: 82,000

Expenditure – Operational costs: $10,000-$15,000

Revenue

ANZ Stadium: In excess of $125,000 average guarantee.

Ticket sales: $0 (ANZ Stadium receive the money from ticket sales. There is a profit-share agreement in place for when all operational costs, including gate receipts, are met. This is an incentive for the club and venue to maximise crowds and receive an equal split.)

Merchandise: Budget for $1.50 a person, with average crowd attendances budgeted for 22,000 a game. On Easter Monday, as the away team, the club sold $16,000 worth of merchandise outside the stadium. The club was not entitled to merchandise rights at the ANZ Stadium and had to sell outside the ground).

Corporate: Estimated $70,000 (maximum capacity in excess of 1000)

Signage: Shared inventory for big screen and signage.

Average crowd: This is the first year of a new deal at ANZ Stadium. The Tigers averaged 18,018 at Allianz Stadium (one game at the SCG) during the past three years. Ten of the 12 games were against Sydney teams, the other two were against the Broncos. Their only home game at ANZ Stadium this year attracted 20,061.

Wests Tigers: The Tigers played some games at ANZ Stadium between 2005 and 2008, but in 2009 the club’s former administration signed a deal with Allianz Stadium to play four games a year at the venue. The club decided against extending its stay in the city despite being offered $100,000 a game to play at Allianz Stadium.

They are now in the first year of a 10-year deal with ANZ Stadium worth close to $500,000 for four games with the potential to play up to six games a year. The club put up an online poll before moving to ANZ Stadium, with 51per cent of fans voting in favour of the Olympic Park venue compared with 49 per cent at Allianz. However, the club believes it has more of a connection with the west rather than the city, plus it provides an opportunity to offer cheaper entry-level memberships worth $50 for eight games at ANZ Stadium (four home games and four away games with reciprocal membership rights). They now work in partnership with ANZ Stadium to promote the game, whereas at Leichhardt and Campbelltown they are the sole promoters.

‘‘The more games played at ANZ Stadium, the more leverage the game and the venue has with state and federal government to consistently upgrade and develop not only the facility but the precinct to provide customers an improved match-day experience,’’ Tigers chief executive Grant Mayer said. While some details of the finances of each club are private and confidential, Mayer believes sharing this information is beneficial for the game to drive greater commercial benefits for each club.

‘‘If the clubs pooled resources and negotiated as one, then our buying power is magnified exponentially and that increases the commercial return for the clubs,’’ Mayer said.


Its a false comparison and pretty much reinforces the case to play at Leichhardt and Campbelltown.

The $125,000 "average guarantee" (I believe it is closer to $100K now) is based on playing smaller crowds (that ANZ would LOSE money on) at Leichhardt and Campbelltown. What do you think would happen to that "average guarantee" if you said to ANZ (Stadiums NSW), "yeah but we also want to play another 6 games at your place, but you will lose money on each of them"? The guarentee would go down, naturally. Its business.

Seriously dont see why its an issue. The current situation works well for all parties and we wouldnt win a single extra game if we played all of our games out of ANZ.

South's and the dogs have played most their games there for years. Roosters at SFS, donkeys at Suncorp It works.


Does that mean it cant be done better? Do you think that if Redfern and Belmore met NRL specs they wouldnt take NQ or Titans games there if they could make money and keep fans happy?

Dogs have been taking 1 game a year to Belmore, not last year though, 1 game a year be ok.

I don't see the cowboys taking games to dairy farmers.

COWBOYS have a state of the art new stadium they'll be going no where is dairy farmers still standing.Belmore is good enough to support one game a year playing surface is fine amenities sufficient.

A Stadium that didn't need replacing ...that's for sure

Thats what winning a premiership can do

Yes they didn't have a COE ......but 1300 stadium would have been the pride of many current sides

 

[Needaname]

Venues NSW do not want WT v NQ. IMO

100%..

But they are happy for parramatta vs NQ.
What’s different?

 

[Geo]

Venues NSW do not want WT v NQ. IMO

100%..

But they are happy for parramatta vs NQ.
What’s different?

Is that at ANZ..

Pretty sure that's Bankwest ..I don't know what arrangement Parramatta made to play their home games there..

 

[BZN]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.


I have a membership, thanks very much. The day trippers for one day a year, yeah sure.


I keep hearing how "derelict" the old girl is. I sit on the "concourse" in front of the grandstand and I swear there is no better seating in RL. Easy walk to a huge clean toilet, food and beer. Genuinely not sure what Im missing out on and what needs to be improved.


You can't even lock the toilet doors under the stands. The score board is often difficult to follow (I can show you pictures). They wheel in an electronic scoreboard on a trailer, that can't be viewed in the afternoon sunlight. Nothing at the other end of the ground. The hooter often doesn't even work, in the first match an official had to jump up and down on the sideline to get the refs attention. The food is dished out from a food van. There is literally a cesspit at one end of the ground. When it rains several GA areas become a quagmire. The corporate facilities are laughable. The seating slope in the stands are the wrong height, you literally see the head of the person in front of you. But sure the hill looks great on TV.

[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

But seriously, I cant see 'anyone' making better counter claims to keep L.O.
As quite simply... there isn't any apart from a nostalgic point of view... if we are being realistic.
And then its only old dinosaurs of my and @cochise age that would be holding on to that nostalgia, and we'll fall of the perch sooner rather than later anyway, so there will be no one left to be nostalgic about L.O.
WestsTigers have to move on from this beloved to some, but old relic of a bygone era.

 

[BZN]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.


I have a membership, thanks very much. The day trippers for one day a year, yeah sure.


I keep hearing how "derelict" the old girl is. I sit on the "concourse" in front of the grandstand and I swear there is no better seating in RL. Easy walk to a huge clean toilet, food and beer. Genuinely not sure what Im missing out on and **what needs to be improved.**

the blokes in the 1-17 jerseys with wests tigers as the emblem would be a good start.

:flushed: :grinning: :grin: :ghost: :+1:
The strength and truth in a few words @kiwitiger ...well said.

 

[BZN]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Nothing will change until the current commercial agreements are completed. I'm taking about what we do after those arrangements have finished.


So you are suggesting we should have one home ground regardless of the future commercial arrangements? That is insane, the decision would have to be made based on what the commercial opportunities are.

All we can discuss is based on the current deals.

Nonsense. We can decide we have one home ground and then negotiate an appropriate deal moving forward. Depending on how the negotiations go may very well determine the home ground. Have all your home games in one location would be a very good negotiation point.


Curious how deciding to have all of your games in the one location and removing all other options would be a "good negotiating point" when the entity that you are negotiating with holds a monopoly of the suitable "one locations"? That would be an interesting case study in business negotiation..."Yes sir, let me make this CLEAR! I have absolutely ZERO options other than to agree to use your product and no alternatives......but I want your BEST price...do you hear me?!?!"

That is exactly what sent the Bears broke.

An actual good negotiation point would be to threaten to have all of your games at LO & CSS, then you actually have something to negotiate with. It would make sense in the lead up to negotiations with Stadium NSW to add an extra LO and CSS game.

So all games at one location, as long as it's your location ... OK


What you are saying makes no sense. I didnt say or suggest all games at any location or my location. Im trying to work out how removing all other options would be a "great negotiation point" when the entity you are negotiating with holds a monopoly on the grounds you now HAVE to use. How is that a good tactic?

Pretty poor actually unless you are prepared to implement it.


Seriously, you need to explain this. Stadium NSW hold a monopoly. Telling them that are all in at one of their grounds no matter what would have to be the worst idea I have ever heard.

If you went into negotiations with the premise that you would take games to LO and CSS if they didn't do a deal, they would be laughing at you from across the table. Telling you to come back when you are serious.


No it would be a negotiation. They would say we would pay you $X, we could say we will move more games to LO & CSS unless we get more and it would be possible to negotiate middle ground.

Saying to a supplier ***who holds the monopoly on the thing you you are buying***..."We have no alternative but to buy the thing you are selling and there is no one else we can get it from" is going to result in VERY short negotiations and it will not result in a better deal for the Tigers.

Sure whatever you think then.


Mate Im VERY happy to be wrong and Id be happy for you to explain to me how removing all competition from a competitive tender process would work in our favour.

If you tell the councils and the state govt your gonna choose one , then that would be a very strong tender process. No?


Yes......**IF** the providers of whatever you are purchasing are in competition with each other.

If there is NO competition, like in the case of Stadium NSW and they hold a monopoly and you have no possibility of purchasing what you need from anyone else, then it is a VERY weak position and the club will be bent over.

If you go to a car dealer and you say to him " I HAVE to buy this car from you today and I can not buy it from anyone else, or any other model". What discount do you think you are going to get?


Nonsense. That's very one dimensional thinking. It's not about competition it's about how you both benefit. Even monopolies will listen if it is to their advantage.

I'm pretty good, I got a four year interest free deal from the manufacture for my last car.... I didn't even have to pay a deposit. It was a very interesting conversation.. lol

:flushed: :face_palm: :grin: How are Yuh? @mike buddy, mate, obviously all round good bloke.
I hope you are exceedingly well and happy, and your family also.
Mate...I'm very likely to purchase a 2nd hand CamperVan [it's got a push up roof and a 2 burner spirit stove and a seat bed even] from a very respected company on the South Coast of N.S.W.
It will most likely be my home as a Grey Nomad, until I fall of the perch.
Now I'm very poor believe me, so what about if I give Yuh $10, maybe you can act as my agent/negotiator and get lots of $$$ of the purchase price for me.
As an incentive I'll give Yuh another $10 and a slab of beer if Yuh get a couple of grand off the purchase price.
Only joking Mike!!! :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: but I am serious about the VW CamperVan though, and luckily for me I do like to travel.

 

[mike]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Nothing will change until the current commercial agreements are completed. I'm taking about what we do after those arrangements have finished.


So you are suggesting we should have one home ground regardless of the future commercial arrangements? That is insane, the decision would have to be made based on what the commercial opportunities are.

All we can discuss is based on the current deals.

Nonsense. We can decide we have one home ground and then negotiate an appropriate deal moving forward. Depending on how the negotiations go may very well determine the home ground. Have all your home games in one location would be a very good negotiation point.


Curious how deciding to have all of your games in the one location and removing all other options would be a "good negotiating point" when the entity that you are negotiating with holds a monopoly of the suitable "one locations"? That would be an interesting case study in business negotiation..."Yes sir, let me make this CLEAR! I have absolutely ZERO options other than to agree to use your product and no alternatives......but I want your BEST price...do you hear me?!?!"

That is exactly what sent the Bears broke.

An actual good negotiation point would be to threaten to have all of your games at LO & CSS, then you actually have something to negotiate with. It would make sense in the lead up to negotiations with Stadium NSW to add an extra LO and CSS game.

So all games at one location, as long as it's your location ... OK


What you are saying makes no sense. I didnt say or suggest all games at any location or my location. Im trying to work out how removing all other options would be a "great negotiation point" when the entity you are negotiating with holds a monopoly on the grounds you now HAVE to use. How is that a good tactic?

Pretty poor actually unless you are prepared to implement it.


Seriously, you need to explain this. Stadium NSW hold a monopoly. Telling them that are all in at one of their grounds no matter what would have to be the worst idea I have ever heard.

If you went into negotiations with the premise that you would take games to LO and CSS if they didn't do a deal, they would be laughing at you from across the table. Telling you to come back when you are serious.


No it would be a negotiation. They would say we would pay you $X, we could say we will move more games to LO & CSS unless we get more and it would be possible to negotiate middle ground.

Saying to a supplier ***who holds the monopoly on the thing you you are buying***..."We have no alternative but to buy the thing you are selling and there is no one else we can get it from" is going to result in VERY short negotiations and it will not result in a better deal for the Tigers.

Sure whatever you think then.


Mate Im VERY happy to be wrong and Id be happy for you to explain to me how removing all competition from a competitive tender process would work in our favour.

If you tell the councils and the state govt your gonna choose one , then that would be a very strong tender process. No?


Yes......**IF** the providers of whatever you are purchasing are in competition with each other.

If there is NO competition, like in the case of Stadium NSW and they hold a monopoly and you have no possibility of purchasing what you need from anyone else, then it is a VERY weak position and the club will be bent over.

If you go to a car dealer and you say to him " I HAVE to buy this car from you today and I can not buy it from anyone else, or any other model". What discount do you think you are going to get?


Nonsense. That's very one dimensional thinking. It's not about competition it's about how you both benefit. Even monopolies will listen if it is to their advantage.

I'm pretty good, I got a four year interest free deal from the manufacture for my last car.... I didn't even have to pay a deposit. It was a very interesting conversation.. lol

:flushed: :face_palm: :grin: How are Yuh? @mike buddy, mate, obviously all round good bloke.
I hope you are exceedingly well and happy, and your family also.
Mate...I'm very likely to purchase a 2nd hand CamperVan [it's got a push up roof and a 2 burner spirit stove and a seat bed even] from a very respected company on the South Coast of N.S.W.
It will most likely be my home as a Grey Nomad, until I fall of the perch.
Now I'm very poor believe me, so what about if I give Yuh $10, maybe you can act as my agent/negotiator and get lots of $$$ of the purchase price for me.
As an incentive I'll give Yuh another $10 and a slab of beer if Yuh get a couple of grand off the purchase price.
Only joking Mike!!! :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: but I am serious about the VW CamperVan though, and luckily for me I do like to travel.

Good luck with the CamperVan @MAGPIES1963. I’ve been told it’s a great life. Let us know if you ever get down Sydney way. I could even show you how to cut and paste ????

I learnt negotiations from a hard nosed New Yorker who was head of a large multinational. Took me under his wing for some reason and showed me what was needed. Never forget what he taught me. I only occasionally put it into practice these days. ??????

 

[BZN]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

>
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..

Lol, my wife almost got refused entry over a bottle of water on Sunday

Probably vodka ?
Be honest !

That's what they said, then I made my daughter drink it as proof of it being water ;P

As the weather cools you’ll be able to smuggle in more grog ..
I use a hip flask ?

Or buy a camelbak filled with crushed ice , bourbon and coke ?

Stuff buying grog in a plastic cup .

Not having a go at you @hobbo1 but why does 'anyone' need to take grog into a football ground to enjoy themselves.
And how many of those that do booze on during the game then drive home?