One home ground

[Tiger5150]

Venues NSW do pay us $100K a game to play there….for those games.

They actually don't anymore..gate revenue now goes to Wests Tigers..

Interesting. Good to have the right information, but that wasnt the case 18 months ago.

I wonder if it has anything to do with COVID? Cant imagine the would be paying $ 100K with no bums on seats.

 

[cochise]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

>
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..

Lol, my wife almost got refused entry over a bottle of water on Sunday

Probably vodka ?
Be honest !

That's what they said, then I made my daughter drink it as proof of it being water ;P

As the weather cools you’ll be able to smuggle in more grog ..
I use a hip flask ?

Or buy a camelbak filled with crushed ice , bourbon and coke ?

Stuff buying grog in a plastic cup .

On the weekend this over zealous security officer was making people tip water into her hand so she could sniff test it. My wife lost it at her, refused to do it was about to be refused entry.

 

[mike]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

>
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..

Lol, my wife almost got refused entry over a bottle of water on Sunday

Probably vodka ?
Be honest !

That's what they said, then I made my daughter drink it as proof of it being water ;P

As the weather cools you’ll be able to smuggle in more grog ..
I use a hip flask ?

Or buy a camelbak filled with crushed ice , bourbon and coke ?

Stuff buying grog in a plastic cup .

On the weekend this over zealous security officer was making people tip water into her hand so she could sniff test it. My wife lost it at her, refused to do it was about to be refused entry.

I would have tipped over her head and said see, only water.

 

[gallagher]

Venues NSW do not want WT v NQ. IMO

100%..

But they take souffs/pawwa/chooks/dogs/ knights v nq.

?

Well you said VenueNSW don't won't their stadium to host NQ games. All those clubs mentioned play NQ at home at some stage.

They are getting us v Manly at Bankwest this year, while LO gets us v Souths. How's that possible?

 

[TigerTownSFS]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.


What Im saying is not wrong, and what you are saying is not *entirely* wrong.

Venues NSW do pay us $100K a game to play there....*.for those games.*

The commercial agreement to pay us that amount of money per game is based on the games that we take there and their forecast crowds. Venues NSW also sell concession leases to other third parties on this same basis.

If we were to add additional games there, it does not automatically translate to another $100K per game because the games we take to LO & CSS are low drawing teams that Venues NSW would lose money on and therefore would make a loss.

For the sake of explanation....we play 6 games there and they will pay us $600K. If we add WT v NQ and Venues NSw are going to lose say $50K out of that game, they are not going to pay us $700K. They would negotiate the agreement accordingly and it would then be something like $550k all up.

I think the idea is when you settle on a ground (my preference SFS) and you commit to it and build committed membership who keep the same seats for every game etc then everyone wins. Games against Sydney teams where you can offer a well located stadium and great experience will attract plenty of opposition fans which goes to help our club. By all means take NQ game to LO or a Raiders game to CSS.

 

[Tiger5150]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

 

[gallagher]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.

 

[Tiger5150]

Venues NSW do not want WT v NQ. IMO

100%..

But they take souffs/pawwa/chooks/dogs/ knights v nq.

?

Well you said VenueNSW don't won't their stadium to host NQ games. All those clubs mentioned play NQ at home at some stage.

and it is factored into each of those clubs deals with Venues NSW. Simple really

They are getting us v Manly at Bankwest this year, while LO gets us v Souths. How's that possible?

I was surprised at Tigers Souffs at LO.

 

[mike]

Venues NSW do not want WT v NQ. IMO

100%..

But they take souffs/pawwa/chooks/dogs/ knights v nq.

?

Well you said VenueNSW don't won't their stadium to host NQ games. All those clubs mentioned play NQ at home at some stage.

**and it is factored into each of those clubs deals with Venues NSW**. Simple really

They are getting us v Manly at Bankwest this year, while LO gets us v Souths. How's that possible?

I was surprised at Tigers Souffs at LO.

How do you know this? Serious question.

 

[Tiger5150]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.

Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

 

[mike]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

The premise is wrong. Why does there have to be a loss? How about a 2K, 20K or 200K profit.

 

[Tiger5150]

Venues NSW do not want WT v NQ. IMO

100%..

But they take souffs/pawwa/chooks/dogs/ knights v nq.

?

Well you said VenueNSW don't won't their stadium to host NQ games. All those clubs mentioned play NQ at home at some stage.

**and it is factored into each of those clubs deals with Venues NSW**. Simple really

They are getting us v Manly at Bankwest this year, while LO gets us v Souths. How's that possible?

I was surprised at Tigers Souffs at LO.

How do you know this? Serious question.

Because I did know the details (at least the mechanics) of the old agreement with Venues NSW and Tigers although I was unaware that it had changed. The point is if that is the position with the Tigers, why would Venues NSW absorb losses without factoring it into the overall agreement.

This isnt just a charity. Venues NSW sublet concessions to other parties. They need to budget for forecast crowds, turnover, expenses etc. It is beyond belief that they wouldnt.

 

[mike]

Venues NSW do not want WT v NQ. IMO

100%..

But they take souffs/pawwa/chooks/dogs/ knights v nq.

?

Well you said VenueNSW don't won't their stadium to host NQ games. All those clubs mentioned play NQ at home at some stage.

**and it is factored into each of those clubs deals with Venues NSW**. Simple really

They are getting us v Manly at Bankwest this year, while LO gets us v Souths. How's that possible?

I was surprised at Tigers Souffs at LO.

How do you know this? Serious question.


Because I did know the details (at least the mechanics) of the old agreement with Venues NSW and Tigers although I was unaware that it had changed. The point is if that is the position with the Tigers, why would Venues NSW absorb losses without factoring it into the overall agreement.

This isnt just a charity. Venues NSW sublet concessions to other parties. They need to budget for forecast crowds, turnover, expenses etc. It is beyond belief that they wouldnt.

So you don’t actually know it’s just an assumption on your part.

 

[Tiger5150]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

The premise is wrong. Why does there have to be a loss? How about a 2K, 20K or 200K profit.

The premise is not wrong. You and Gallagher are making the point that "we should be arms deep in that pie" without even knowing what the commercial considerations are. Under the current circumstances, that would be a loss pure and simple. In the future, under yet to be known agreements, that could be a loss or a profit. The point is you, Gallagher and I dont know if it would be a loss or a profit, however you and Gallagher are arguing that we should do it anyway, so the premise is valid......if we are doing it no matter what, the decision is made that the possibility a loss would be acceptable.

So how much? Or it doesnt matter?

 

[Tiger5150]

Venues NSW do not want WT v NQ. IMO

100%..

But they take souffs/pawwa/chooks/dogs/ knights v nq.

?

Well you said VenueNSW don't won't their stadium to host NQ games. All those clubs mentioned play NQ at home at some stage.

**and it is factored into each of those clubs deals with Venues NSW**. Simple really

They are getting us v Manly at Bankwest this year, while LO gets us v Souths. How's that possible?

I was surprised at Tigers Souffs at LO.

How do you know this? Serious question.


Because I did know the details (at least the mechanics) of the old agreement with Venues NSW and Tigers although I was unaware that it had changed. The point is if that is the position with the Tigers, why would Venues NSW absorb losses without factoring it into the overall agreement.

This isnt just a charity. Venues NSW sublet concessions to other parties. They need to budget for forecast crowds, turnover, expenses etc. It is beyond belief that they wouldnt.

So you don’t actually know it’s just an assumption on your part.

Correct, I have made the ***WILD*** assumption that Venues NSW would consider their total revenue and expenses in formulating an commercial agreement with another party.

If you are of the opinion that they dont, we are done.

 

[mike]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

The premise is wrong. Why does there have to be a loss? How about a 2K, 20K or 200K profit.


The premise is not wrong. You and Gallagher are making the point that "we should be arms deep in that pie" without even knowing what the commercial considerations are. Under the current circumstances, that would be a loss pure and simple. In the future, under yet to be known agreements, that could be a loss or a profit. The point is you, Gallagher and I dont know if it would be a loss or a profit, however you and Gallagher are arguing that we should do it anyway, so the premise is valid......if we are doing it no matter what, the decision is made that the possibility a loss would be acceptable.

So how much? Or it doesnt matter?

Exactly we don’t know but you present it always as a loss. It could very well be a profit for all we know. Unless you have the financials of the club available to you have no more insight than anyone else. I won’t accept hearsay. The continued presenting the arrangements as a loss as the only option from you is why the premise is wrong.

I think you’ll find I have always said the commercial arrangements would be part of the decision making process on one home ground. It’s not the only one though and commercial arrangements can be negotiated.

 

[mike]

Venues NSW do not want WT v NQ. IMO

100%..

But they take souffs/pawwa/chooks/dogs/ knights v nq.

?

Well you said VenueNSW don't won't their stadium to host NQ games. All those clubs mentioned play NQ at home at some stage.

**and it is factored into each of those clubs deals with Venues NSW**. Simple really

They are getting us v Manly at Bankwest this year, while LO gets us v Souths. How's that possible?

I was surprised at Tigers Souffs at LO.

How do you know this? Serious question.


Because I did know the details (at least the mechanics) of the old agreement with Venues NSW and Tigers although I was unaware that it had changed. The point is if that is the position with the Tigers, why would Venues NSW absorb losses without factoring it into the overall agreement.

This isnt just a charity. Venues NSW sublet concessions to other parties. They need to budget for forecast crowds, turnover, expenses etc. It is beyond belief that they wouldnt.

So you don’t actually know it’s just an assumption on your part.


Correct, I have made the ***WILD*** assumption that Venues NSW would consider their total revenue and expenses in formulating an commercial agreement with another party.

If you are of the opinion that they dont, we are done.

No you are just making assumptions. You don’t know at all what venue NSW would consider. It could be a loss leader from them for all we know. That’s the point I don’t know and neither do you.

 

[Tiger5150]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

The premise is wrong. Why does there have to be a loss? How about a 2K, 20K or 200K profit.


The premise is not wrong. You and Gallagher are making the point that "we should be arms deep in that pie" without even knowing what the commercial considerations are. Under the current circumstances, that would be a loss pure and simple. In the future, under yet to be known agreements, that could be a loss or a profit. The point is you, Gallagher and I dont know if it would be a loss or a profit, however you and Gallagher are arguing that we should do it anyway, so the premise is valid......if we are doing it no matter what, the decision is made that the possibility a loss would be acceptable.

So how much? Or it doesnt matter?

Exactly we don’t know but you present it always as a loss. It could very well be a profit for all we know. Unless you have the financials of the club available to you have no more insight than anyone else. I won’t accept hearsay. The continued presenting the arrangements as a loss as the only option from you is why the premise is wrong.

I think you’ll find I have always said the commercial arrangements would be part of the decision making process on one home ground. It’s not the only one though and commercial arrangements can be negotiated.

No worries, so if the circumstances suit, you would endorse more than one home ground?

 

[gallagher]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

I'm not suggesting there would be a loss.

 

[mike]

Lets be honest. Fans that want to play at LO or CSS are just fans of the old clubs or live close to those venues.

Foxtel $70 a month for 32 games plus I have my personal chef in the kitchen ?

Seriously though ..
I’m 80km from Leichhardt and it’s usually a great day out ..
I don’t understand the whingers that piss and moan about the facilities because they can’t hold there bladders .
Have lunch or whatever before you go ..
Piss on before you go ..
Take in pre mixed drinks or cans in your pockets ..
Relieve yourself before you go ..
The game goes for 80 friggin minutes ?

If the old girl and CSS are to see lesser games in the future I’d like to see
8 games at either ANZ or SFS
2 at Leichhardt
2 at CSS
This should please the folks that suffer from incontinence .

8 at one ground would be better.

I said either !
And it’s easy for you to whinge cause you live in WA ?

I get the irony as I don't get to games. But my view is unbiased because of that.


Ever been to Leichhardt on a Sunday arvo?


All the time. A packed hill looks great on TV. Even played many games there in my youth. It's a derelict sad place these days. If it could be redeveloped.... but it won't be, so I am a realist.


Splash out on a membership, leave the hill to day trippers.

It’s sad mate you’ve succumbed to the big corporates ..


I sell out at every opportunity....

It reality the game is made for TV.

Only only long weekends like Easter and Anzac Day do we get bumper crowds in the regular season .

Panthers are flying high and they don’t seem to have to move games to accommodate more than 20 thousand
fans .

But use 1 ground. Just need to pick one. Eenie meenie minnie moe will do.


At the risk of repeating myself........WHY?

Give a reason.

If we had ALL our games at ANZ or Bankwest, we make less money and annoy the punters who like LO & CSS. If we had all of our games at LO or CSS we would make less money and we would lose Mike.

To me the current situation is the most sensible but others disagree, because of...........feelings?

I disagree we make less money. I believe we would build our supporter base and corp support. You can't give facts that prove we make more money this way.


I was told to my face by a WT board member (I cant prove this obviously) but if you go back a few pages, someone posted a good and pretty accurate break up of revenue and cost for all grounds.

The point is Stadiums NSW pay us $100K (will be going down in the near future) to use their grounds based on the understanding that we will NOT play our lowest drawing games there because they result in a loss to Stadium NSW. If we increase the number of games that result in a loss for the owner, what do you think happens to the money they pay us?

All hearsay. Also don't know that it will be going down in the future, it would be up for negotiation. That is an assumption you have made to support your position. The future commercial arrangements could very well be in Wests Tigers favour. We don't know yet.

Yes the future commercial arrangements should play a big part in which home ground is chosen.


I am not discussing future commercial arrangement, Im discussing current and it is exactly as Im telling you. Yes I cant prove what this board member told me but it remains a fact that if we play the loss making clubs at ANZ, there is less money.

What market factors are pushing up prices for the stadia? COVID? Increasing streaming of games? Monopoly ownership of stadia?

Problem is I have been told differently, our break even point has lowered at the traditional home grounds, but on in particular is difficult to make money at.


What you have been told is not different to what Ive been told. LO & CSS are not money making options...they are NOT LOSING MONEY options, therefore better financially. We barely break even at LO & CSS but the loss is greater at ANZ/BW. At least under the current arrangement

From what I understand this is completely wrong. The club is guaranteed a profit of 100k + to play under the venues NSW deal because they just turn up and play, no real other expenses. LO and CS they have to hire the ground, provide security, video screen etc and therefore need a decent crowd to make money.

Correct. Bankwest, Homebush, Suncorp etc etc all have full-time tenants. Their tenants play out of town/ low drawing opponents. It works for 99% of sporting teams, it will work for us.

Completely incorrect and this is the part you are not understanding. Souffs have a full time contract with Venues NSW to play ALL their games at SFS. Souffs do not have a viable alternative. Souffs and Venues NSW negotiate their deal ON THIS BASIS and therefore the price is based on this basis, so speficically with the knowledge that they are going to play NQ there and they will lose a heap of money for that game. ITS ALL BAKED INTO THE PIE. All the clubs have an agreement with Venues NSW and each deal is based on what ever parameters exist.

Tigers have a different pie. The parts that Venues NSW dont want are taken out and then the price is negotiated on that basis and agreement made.


it's all around the world, how we find it a task just amazes me.

I'm not arguing that at all. I'm arguing we should be elbows deep into that pie.


Thats cool.

What would be the loss point that would be acceptable?

$2K? $20K, $200K?

The premise is wrong. Why does there have to be a loss? How about a 2K, 20K or 200K profit.


The premise is not wrong. You and Gallagher are making the point that "we should be arms deep in that pie" without even knowing what the commercial considerations are. Under the current circumstances, that would be a loss pure and simple. In the future, under yet to be known agreements, that could be a loss or a profit. The point is you, Gallagher and I dont know if it would be a loss or a profit, however you and Gallagher are arguing that we should do it anyway, so the premise is valid......if we are doing it no matter what, the decision is made that the possibility a loss would be acceptable.

So how much? Or it doesnt matter?

Exactly we don’t know but you present it always as a loss. It could very well be a profit for all we know. Unless you have the financials of the club available to you have no more insight than anyone else. I won’t accept hearsay. The continued presenting the arrangements as a loss as the only option from you is why the premise is wrong.

I think you’ll find I have always said the commercial arrangements would be part of the decision making process on one home ground. It’s not the only one though and commercial arrangements can be negotiated.


No worries, so if the circumstances suit, you would endorse more than one home ground?

One game at CSS and one game at LO with the rest at either Stadium Australia or SFS would be my preference. If for whatever reason we end up with an even split at LO and CSS or maintain similar arrangements to what we have now I believe we are doomed as a club and will never grow membership much beyond its current numbers, in fact I believe it will decline. If that is the case we may as well shut up shop and relocate to Perth.

My whole reasoning for one home ground is to expand membership by providing a much better game day experience than we currently get at our sub standard grounds LO and CSS.