One love: Moltzen in position to seal spot

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@hybrid_tiger said:
My mail is that Tedesco will definitely be right for round one and is already back training.

And he WILL be playing fullback ahead of Moltzen, without a doubt.

Was suppose to resume jogging last week

Why does Moltzen DESERVE first shot How many horror games does he have to have before someone says "I don't think it is working out "

I know we haven't seen much of Tedesco , but what we have seen is classic fullback , good support play , good positionally and good under high ball

If Tedesco is ready in Round 1 and has outplayed Moltzen in the trials he has to be picked and picked without question
 
He deserves it because he is the incumbent and will have been there for nearly a year.
Personally I don't believe he is a fullback or wants to play there.
His preferred position is in the halves and for the last 2 years Sheens has used him to cover every position in the backline because he's the only one who can do it.
In other words he has sacrificed a real shot in his favourite position by doing what is best for the team.
For this he gets pilloried week in week out.
If Tedesco doesn't get hurt he'd still be at half and we'd all be better off.
 
I would suspect what's happened is Sheens is just being diplomatic and trying to get the best out of Moltzen by telling him "it's yours to lose" We also can't be guaranteed how Tedesco will fair coming back from his injury. In an ideal world Tedesco will return smoothly and his confidence remain untouched. We just don't know that though. Moltzen will only ever be a stop gap solution at FB, however he has made some improvements in a few areas back there but is still far convincing.
 
@cktiger said:
@hybrid_tiger said:
My mail is that Tedesco will definitely be right for round one and is already back training.

And he WILL be playing fullback ahead of Moltzen, without a doubt.

Oh good … can you tell us tonights winning Lotto numbers as well. :unamused:

It's not hard to work out, genius. Tedesco was earmarked as our first choice fullback a LONG time ago and nothing much will change that, certainly not Moltzen.
 
@cktiger said:
He deserves it because he is the incumbent and will have been there for nearly a year.
Personally I don't believe he is a fullback or wants to play there.
His preferred position is in the halves and for the last 2 years Sheens has used him to cover every position in the backline because he's the only one who can do it.
In other words he has sacrificed a real shot in his favourite position by doing what is best for the team.
For this he gets pilloried week in week out.
If Tedesco doesn't get hurt he'd still be at half and we'd all be better off.

We could have put Ryan at fullback and had Utai and Tuqiri on the wings and left Moltzen in the halves.

The coach is to blame for thinking Moltzen is a fullback.

Defence from a fullback is more vital than any other player on the field. Defence in tackling, defence of the tryline, defence of kicks.

Moltzen is woeful at all this.

At halfback he runs off Benji's inside passes brilliantly. He won't need to kick because Benji will get the ball with space and time. Benji's kicking game and defence goes to tatters when he's at halfback.
 
@hybrid_tiger said:
@cktiger said:
@hybrid_tiger said:
My mail is that Tedesco will definitely be right for round one and is already back training.

And he WILL be playing fullback ahead of Moltzen, without a doubt.

Oh good … can you tell us tonights winning Lotto numbers as well. :unamused:

It's not hard to work out, genius. Tedesco was earmarked as our first choice fullback a LONG time ago and nothing much will change that, certainly not Moltzen.

Don't worry about Mrs Moltzen Hybrid. Can also confirm Teddy is back training with no problems. Lotto numbers to follow shortly.
 
@Irvine said:
@hybrid_tiger said:
@cktiger said:
@hybrid_tiger said:
My mail is that Tedesco will definitely be right for round one and is already back training.

And he WILL be playing fullback ahead of Moltzen, without a doubt.

Oh good … can you tell us tonights winning Lotto numbers as well. :unamused:

It's not hard to work out, genius. Tedesco was earmarked as our first choice fullback a LONG time ago and nothing much will change that, certainly not Moltzen.

Don't worry about Mrs Moltzen Hybrid. Can also confirm Teddy is back training with no problems. Lotto numbers to follow shortly.

Good to see all the monkeys climb the same tree.
If you bothered to read after that post you would have seen that I would have preferred Tedesco had stayed at fullback.(and hopefully done well there)
The reference to the lotto numbers was there because NOBODY can see the future.
Here's a lesson for you guys…sometimes it's best to say nothing and let people think your a fool than actually say something to prove it beyond doubt.
 
@madunit said:
Defence from a fullback is more vital than any other player on the field. **Defence in tackling, defence of the tryline**, defence of kicks.

he is one of the best at defending on the line, his positioning, his ability to get under the ball, his speed to get to the ball etc makes him THE BEST at our club.. that said, he is inconsistent at defusing bombs, i have seen him many times catch bombs but he sometimes craps himself which shouldn't happen to a FG fullback.

that said, i agree with you that it is the coach's fault for moving him to fullback… he shouldn't have done that unless he had a suitable halves partner for benji in mind (as evident when he used aysh, humble, lawrence etc). he has done that again and again and again- weakening one position to strengthen another, however in this case weakening both positions.

this again goes back to lack of depth in key areas: fullback and halves- if he wanted to move moltzen to fullback, he should've persisted with ONE person in the halves and not chop and change every second game

when tedesco went down what i would've done is moved humble/chisolm to fullback and keep the halves combo of benji/moltzen going since they had trained there the entire off season
 
Moltzen's tackling technique is poor, he goes high every time. He doesn't have the body mass to make those sort of tackles effectively, especially as a fullback.

Ryan does a lot of the cleaning up at fullback for Moltzen.

Moltzen may get in good position for bombs, but he is scared. He won't jump to take the bomb, which gives opposition players first crack at catching the ball.

There's a little thing that Slater does which other fullbacks started copying, when he leaves the ground to catch the ball, he sticks one leg out at the opposition running towards him. It's legal and gives Slater extra space and time to catch the ball, which is why he is so good under the high ball.

Moltzen's "Reading the newspaper while sitting on the dunny" stance will never be good enough and nor will it change.

He's a five-eighth/halfback.

Constant team reshuffling has stunted our attack and shattered the cohension in our defensive line. The players are to be blamed to an extent obviously, but when you start the year with a halves combo that was practically undefeated in Moltzen and Marshall and two in form centres in Lawrence and Ayshford, you have to leave them in their natural positions and work around them. You work around your strengths, not weaken them to accommodate for shortages elsewhere that you failed to address when buying/blooding players for the upcoming season.

Sheens has been bringing through less and less juniors over the past 2-3 years which is the biggest concern for me. This was a facet of his coaching he was always good at (look at 2004-05 and how well that worked).

God knows he's had the talent there, just never bothered to give it a go, opting instead to put players out of position which stunts their confidence and performances.
 
@madunit said:
Moltzen's tackling technique is poor, he goes high every time. He doesn't have the body mass to make those sort of tackles effectively, especially as a fullback.

Ryan does a lot of the cleaning up at fullback for Moltzen.

Moltzen may get in good position for bombs, but he is scared. He won't jump to take the bomb, which gives opposition players first crack at catching the ball.

There's a little thing that Slater does which other fullbacks started copying, when he leaves the ground to catch the ball, he sticks one leg out at the opposition running towards him. It's legal and gives Slater extra space and time to catch the ball, which is why he is so good under the high ball.

Moltzen's "Reading the newspaper while sitting on the dunny" stance will never be good enough and nor will it change.

He's a five-eighth/halfback.

Constant team reshuffling has stunted our attack and shattered the cohension in our defensive line. The players are to be blamed to an extent obviously, but when you start the year with a halves combo that was practically undefeated in Moltzen and Marshall and two in form centres in Lawrence and Ayshford, you have to leave them in their natural positions and work around them. You work around your strengths, not weaken them to accommodate for shortages elsewhere that you failed to address when buying/blooding players for the upcoming season.

Sheens has been bringing through less and less juniors over the past 2-3 years which is the biggest concern for me. This was a facet of his coaching he was always good at (look at 2004-05 and how well that worked).

God knows he's had the talent there, just never bothered to give it a go, opting instead to put players out of position which stunts their confidence and performances.

Post of the year mad unit ! It's a shame sheens won't log on !
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Hate to tell you but (unfortunately) nearly every player goes in high - they're coached to wrap the ball up.
Plus he's being bagged this week for dropping a bomb while doing exactly what you said he doesn't do - jumping for it.
Every fullback depends on their wingers to help them clean up - including Slater.
There is nothing wrong with his defence on the line - in fact the try saver last week proved that.
If it had been Slater in the same position he would have gone into the tackle feet first.
I will agree he is not a fullback though - but he is stuck there now.
 
Players under 85kgs don't go high with a grabbing tackling style. Fullbacks generally go low/mid-section when defending.

And please, that jump was about half a foot off the ground. I jump higher than that getting the flour off the top shelf at home.

Moltzen's reliance on his wingers is far more than nearly all other fullbacks.

I understand why, because he's not comfortable with the role, and thats understandable.

The coach should be seeing this more clearly and much sooner than all of though, instead of persisting with it, which invariable shatters his confidence and performance
 
@madunit said:
**Players under 85kgs don't go high with a grabbing tackling style.** Fullbacks generally go low/mid-section when defending.

And please, that jump was about half a foot off the ground. I jump higher than that getting the flour off the top shelf at home.

Moltzen's reliance on his wingers is far more than nearly all other fullbacks.

I understand why, because he's not comfortable with the role, and thats understandable.

The coach should be seeing this more clearly and much sooner than all of though, instead of persisting with it, which invariable shatters his confidence and performance

Think you'll find he's well over 85kg - and if you think players around that weight don't go with high grabbing style tackles you haven't been watching Marshall lately. :laughing:
I am with you on this though - fullback is not the best spot for him.
He obviously has to say he's happy to play wherever the coach puts him - but that doesn't necessarily mean he likes it.
 
basing on this years articles alone..

next year

1\. moltzen
6\. marshall
7\. anasta

this article is only a perspective from moltz, he's just saying he wants to play fb… nothing wrong with that... i just dont think he'll beat tedesco once he's fully recovered.
 
I have heard that Moltzen resigned for less than half his current salary….can anyone confirm?

If this is the case then his decision to renig on the dragons has cost him big time! Also shows why we are able to continue to talk to players even though Moltz resigned.
 
Unless Sheens is a complete idiot, I'm sure he doesn't see Moltzen as a long-term fullback. Tedesco has this written all over him. Moltzen does not
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@madunit said:
Moltzen's tackling technique is poor, he goes high every time. He doesn't have the body mass to make those sort of tackles effectively, especially as a fullback.

Ryan does a lot of the cleaning up at fullback for Moltzen.

he is the last line of defense, he has to wrap up the football and he does it very effectively- better than ryan/reddy

not arguing about who is a better fullback, imo ryan/reddy/chisolm/humble haven't been given a proper go yet, but as far as i can tell- apart from high bombs, moltzen covers well defensively.. some examples i can give you is the "try-saver" on lewis, he did it a couple of years ago on minichello, and last year in one particular game against canberra, he did several try-saving tackles- tackles you expect well regarded first grade fullbacks to do
 
@Stripes96 said:
Unless Sheens is a complete idiot, I'm sure he doesn't see Moltzen as a long-term fullback. Tedesco has this written all over him. Moltzen does not
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yep , We have resigned Moltzen for the next 3 years as the number #14 utility bench spot , cause Tedesco will be the fullback.
 
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