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[cochise]

The game can't live without refs and they put up with a lot of crap

And they cause a lot of crap. They are largely incompetent. I don’t know why but for the last 10 years, including the current batch, the standard has deteriorated to abysmal. No confidence, no authority, no feel.

To be honest I don’t feel like the reffing has got worse. I think people just look back at older footy with nostalgia and think it was better. I’ve watched plenty of old games and the only reason the game flowed better was because absolutely nothing was penalised and knock ons in the play the balls didn’t count either ?

Think it’s more to do with the rule book. There’s a heap more rules due to player safety etc and a lot of those rules are in a bit grey area which leads to inconsistency

I agree with your rule book point. And the pressure due to replays etc is unfair. But their lack of authority and inability to take control is very poor. Look at the way refs used to control games - that’s not nostalgic, it’s evidence! They were much stronger. But I agree, they had less pressure on them


They also weren't expected to all act in the same way though. You have worked in Education, could you imagine trying to have all teachers run their classroom with the uniformity that is expected of refs? Completely take away their individuality and differences in how they interact with people and have them work as robots, would teachers cope with that?

Yeah I was going to mention (but I try to keep my posts shortish). The cookie cutter approach - looking for absolute consistency in approach has not helped

I really think Harrigan started the problem with trying to make very ref to be copies of himself,.

I don’t really remember that. I reckon there’s two things: managing a game with mateship - bad move. Having too much dependence on video means they have lost the ability to make quick decisions under pressure. Therefore when they do - they get it wrong more often

That's why we should move to a Captains Challenge system for try scoring situations only. Ref rules the game as if he is the ultimate authority, awards tries from what he and is touchies see. IF the captain disagree with the ruling he challenges, if he is wrong he loses a challenge. Can only be used in try scoring situations and puts the onus on the refs to make a call and on the players to challenge.

The mateship rubbish is a direct inheritance from Harrigan, he game managed the game to get a free flowing game with minimal penalties. When he game in as Refs boss he tried to get all the refs to ref the same way and that is why we are in this mess now.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The game can't live without refs and they put up with a lot of crap

And they cause a lot of crap. They are largely incompetent. I don’t know why but for the last 10 years, including the current batch, the standard has deteriorated to abysmal. No confidence, no authority, no feel.

To be honest I don’t feel like the reffing has got worse. I think people just look back at older footy with nostalgia and think it was better. I’ve watched plenty of old games and the only reason the game flowed better was because absolutely nothing was penalised and knock ons in the play the balls didn’t count either ?

Think it’s more to do with the rule book. There’s a heap more rules due to player safety etc and a lot of those rules are in a bit grey area which leads to inconsistency

I agree with your rule book point. And the pressure due to replays etc is unfair. But their lack of authority and inability to take control is very poor. Look at the way refs used to control games - that’s not nostalgic, it’s evidence! They were much stronger. But I agree, they had less pressure on them


They also weren't expected to all act in the same way though. You have worked in Education, could you imagine trying to have all teachers run their classroom with the uniformity that is expected of refs? Completely take away their individuality and differences in how they interact with people and have them work as robots, would teachers cope with that?

Yeah I was going to mention (but I try to keep my posts shortish). The cookie cutter approach - looking for absolute consistency in approach has not helped

I really think Harrigan started the problem with trying to make very ref to be copies of himself,.

I don’t really remember that. I reckon there’s two things: managing a game with mateship - bad move. Having too much dependence on video means they have lost the ability to make quick decisions under pressure. Therefore when they do - they get it wrong more often

That's why we should move to a Captains Challenge system for try scoring situations only. Ref rules the game as if he is the ultimate authority, awards tries from what he and is touchies see. IF the captain disagree with the ruling he challenges, if he is wrong he loses a challenge. Can only be used in try scoring situations and puts the onus on the refs to make a call and on the players to challenge.

The mateship rubbish is a direct inheritance from Harrigan, he game managed the game to get a free flowing game with minimal penalties. When he game in as Refs boss he tried to get all the refs to ref the same way and that is why we are in this mess now.

I like this . I also like the NFL rule of anything after the 2 minute warning(2mins to go) gets automatically reviewed . If you made it last 10 mins , basically the other 70 mins are up to the captain and on field ref . That way you combine to both have , no last minute shenanigans, as well as any obvious howlers get immediately challenged . This to me is the only way the challenge system can really work .

 

[cochise]

The game can't live without refs and they put up with a lot of crap

And they cause a lot of crap. They are largely incompetent. I don’t know why but for the last 10 years, including the current batch, the standard has deteriorated to abysmal. No confidence, no authority, no feel.

To be honest I don’t feel like the reffing has got worse. I think people just look back at older footy with nostalgia and think it was better. I’ve watched plenty of old games and the only reason the game flowed better was because absolutely nothing was penalised and knock ons in the play the balls didn’t count either ?

Think it’s more to do with the rule book. There’s a heap more rules due to player safety etc and a lot of those rules are in a bit grey area which leads to inconsistency

I agree with your rule book point. And the pressure due to replays etc is unfair. But their lack of authority and inability to take control is very poor. Look at the way refs used to control games - that’s not nostalgic, it’s evidence! They were much stronger. But I agree, they had less pressure on them


They also weren't expected to all act in the same way though. You have worked in Education, could you imagine trying to have all teachers run their classroom with the uniformity that is expected of refs? Completely take away their individuality and differences in how they interact with people and have them work as robots, would teachers cope with that?

Yeah I was going to mention (but I try to keep my posts shortish). The cookie cutter approach - looking for absolute consistency in approach has not helped

I really think Harrigan started the problem with trying to make very ref to be copies of himself,.

I don’t really remember that. I reckon there’s two things: managing a game with mateship - bad move. Having too much dependence on video means they have lost the ability to make quick decisions under pressure. Therefore when they do - they get it wrong more often

That's why we should move to a Captains Challenge system for try scoring situations only. Ref rules the game as if he is the ultimate authority, awards tries from what he and is touchies see. IF the captain disagree with the ruling he challenges, if he is wrong he loses a challenge. Can only be used in try scoring situations and puts the onus on the refs to make a call and on the players to challenge.

The mateship rubbish is a direct inheritance from Harrigan, he game managed the game to get a free flowing game with minimal penalties. When he game in as Refs boss he tried to get all the refs to ref the same way and that is why we are in this mess now.

I like this . I also like the NFL rule of anything after the 2 minute warning(2mins to go) gets automatically reviewed . If you made it last 10 mins , basically the other 70 mins are up to the captain and on field ref . That way you combine to both have , no last minute shenanigans, as well as any obvious howlers get immediately challenged . This to me is the only way the challenge system can really work .

NFL has actually gone away from that and review all touchdowns and turn overs. I would hate us to implement that lol. But almost added automatical reviews in the last 5 minutes but decided not to as I don't like rule changes just for certain times of a game.

 

[Geo]

If the defending team is deliberately slowing up the ruck, then maybe the culprit should be charged by the match review committee. If you were to get a 20 point charge per infringement then 5 infringements would automatically result in a one match ban or a $20,000 fine to the club
This could be kept completely seperate to all other charges so points are not added
That will stop players deliberately slowing up the game

So would sending 5 of them to the Sin Bin in the actual game they are playing advantaging the team they were actually playing not the following weeks team..

 

[Cairnstigers]

If the defending team is deliberately slowing up the ruck, then maybe the culprit should be charged by the match review committee. If you were to get a 20 point charge per infringement then 5 infringements would automatically result in a one match ban or a $20,000 fine to the club
This could be kept completely seperate to all other charges so points are not added
That will stop players deliberately slowing up the game

So would sending 5 of them to the Sin Bin in the actual game they are playing advantaging the team they were actually playing not the following weeks team..

I know what your saying but
It is no different to going on report for a shoulder charge during a game only to cop a 4 week suspension the following week
That gives an advantage to the next 4 teams

 

[Deleted member 3518]

The game can't live without refs and they put up with a lot of crap

And they cause a lot of crap. They are largely incompetent. I don’t know why but for the last 10 years, including the current batch, the standard has deteriorated to abysmal. No confidence, no authority, no feel.

To be honest I don’t feel like the reffing has got worse. I think people just look back at older footy with nostalgia and think it was better. I’ve watched plenty of old games and the only reason the game flowed better was because absolutely nothing was penalised and knock ons in the play the balls didn’t count either ?

Think it’s more to do with the rule book. There’s a heap more rules due to player safety etc and a lot of those rules are in a bit grey area which leads to inconsistency

I agree with your rule book point. And the pressure due to replays etc is unfair. But their lack of authority and inability to take control is very poor. Look at the way refs used to control games - that’s not nostalgic, it’s evidence! They were much stronger. But I agree, they had less pressure on them


They also weren't expected to all act in the same way though. You have worked in Education, could you imagine trying to have all teachers run their classroom with the uniformity that is expected of refs? Completely take away their individuality and differences in how they interact with people and have them work as robots, would teachers cope with that?

Yeah I was going to mention (but I try to keep my posts shortish). The cookie cutter approach - looking for absolute consistency in approach has not helped

I really think Harrigan started the problem with trying to make very ref to be copies of himself,.

I don’t really remember that. I reckon there’s two things: managing a game with mateship - bad move. Having too much dependence on video means they have lost the ability to make quick decisions under pressure. Therefore when they do - they get it wrong more often

That's why we should move to a Captains Challenge system for try scoring situations only. Ref rules the game as if he is the ultimate authority, awards tries from what he and is touchies see. IF the captain disagree with the ruling he challenges, if he is wrong he loses a challenge. Can only be used in try scoring situations and puts the onus on the refs to make a call and on the players to challenge.

The mateship rubbish is a direct inheritance from Harrigan, he game managed the game to get a free flowing game with minimal penalties. When he game in as Refs boss he tried to get all the refs to ref the same way and that is why we are in this mess now.

I like this . I also like the NFL rule of anything after the 2 minute warning(2mins to go) gets automatically reviewed . If you made it last 10 mins , basically the other 70 mins are up to the captain and on field ref . That way you combine to both have , no last minute shenanigans, as well as any obvious howlers get immediately challenged . This to me is the only way the challenge system can really work .

NFL has actually gone away from that and review all touchdowns and turn overs. I would hate us to implement that lol. But almost added automatical reviews in the last 5 minutes but decided not to as I don't like rule changes just for certain times of a game.

Yea , I get that . I was saying that to stop the last minute panic mistake. Although it hasn’t in the past .

 

[cochise]

If the defending team is deliberately slowing up the ruck, then maybe the culprit should be charged by the match review committee. If you were to get a 20 point charge per infringement then 5 infringements would automatically result in a one match ban or a $20,000 fine to the club
This could be kept completely seperate to all other charges so points are not added
That will stop players deliberately slowing up the game

So would sending 5 of them to the Sin Bin in the actual game they are playing advantaging the team they were actually playing not the following weeks team..

I know what your saying but
It is no different to going on report for a shoulder charge during a game only to cop a 4 week suspension the following week
That gives an advantage to the next 4 teams

Its quite different, as the wrestling is an ongoing effort to disadvantage the opposition.

 

[cochise]

The game can't live without refs and they put up with a lot of crap

And they cause a lot of crap. They are largely incompetent. I don’t know why but for the last 10 years, including the current batch, the standard has deteriorated to abysmal. No confidence, no authority, no feel.

To be honest I don’t feel like the reffing has got worse. I think people just look back at older footy with nostalgia and think it was better. I’ve watched plenty of old games and the only reason the game flowed better was because absolutely nothing was penalised and knock ons in the play the balls didn’t count either ?

Think it’s more to do with the rule book. There’s a heap more rules due to player safety etc and a lot of those rules are in a bit grey area which leads to inconsistency

I agree with your rule book point. And the pressure due to replays etc is unfair. But their lack of authority and inability to take control is very poor. Look at the way refs used to control games - that’s not nostalgic, it’s evidence! They were much stronger. But I agree, they had less pressure on them


They also weren't expected to all act in the same way though. You have worked in Education, could you imagine trying to have all teachers run their classroom with the uniformity that is expected of refs? Completely take away their individuality and differences in how they interact with people and have them work as robots, would teachers cope with that?

Yeah I was going to mention (but I try to keep my posts shortish). The cookie cutter approach - looking for absolute consistency in approach has not helped

I really think Harrigan started the problem with trying to make very ref to be copies of himself,.

I don’t really remember that. I reckon there’s two things: managing a game with mateship - bad move. Having too much dependence on video means they have lost the ability to make quick decisions under pressure. Therefore when they do - they get it wrong more often

That's why we should move to a Captains Challenge system for try scoring situations only. Ref rules the game as if he is the ultimate authority, awards tries from what he and is touchies see. IF the captain disagree with the ruling he challenges, if he is wrong he loses a challenge. Can only be used in try scoring situations and puts the onus on the refs to make a call and on the players to challenge.

The mateship rubbish is a direct inheritance from Harrigan, he game managed the game to get a free flowing game with minimal penalties. When he game in as Refs boss he tried to get all the refs to ref the same way and that is why we are in this mess now.

I like this . I also like the NFL rule of anything after the 2 minute warning(2mins to go) gets automatically reviewed . If you made it last 10 mins , basically the other 70 mins are up to the captain and on field ref . That way you combine to both have , no last minute shenanigans, as well as any obvious howlers get immediately challenged . This to me is the only way the challenge system can really work .

NFL has actually gone away from that and review all touchdowns and turn overs. I would hate us to implement that lol. But almost added automatical reviews in the last 5 minutes but decided not to as I don't like rule changes just for certain times of a game.

Yea , I get that . I was saying that to stop the last minute panic mistake. Although it hasn’t in the past .

The only reason a team wouldn't have a review to use is if they wasted it on something that wasn't right, To me the fault for that falls back on the players and not the ref.

 

[JC99]

Can’t say I’m a fan of the captains challenge. Did tigers even use one in their first two games? Refs showed they get it right 99% of the time anyway so I don’t think it’s really needed, i think it just puts more pressure on them to be right which again leads to inconsistency and rushed calls

 

[TheDaBoss]

Can’t say I’m a fan of the captains challenge. Did tigers even use one in their first two games? Refs showed they get it right 99% of the time anyway so I don’t think it’s really needed, i think it just puts more pressure on them to be right which again leads to inconsistency and rushed calls

i dont think so lol

 

[JC99]

Can’t say I’m a fan of the captains challenge. Did tigers even use one in their first two games? Refs showed they get it right 99% of the time anyway so I don’t think it’s really needed, i think it just puts more pressure on them to be right which again leads to inconsistency and rushed calls

i dont think so lol

Madge probably told them not to worry about it and to just focus on the footy.

 

[cochise]

Can’t say I’m a fan of the captains challenge. Did tigers even use one in their first two games? Refs showed they get it right 99% of the time anyway so I don’t think it’s really needed, i think it just puts more pressure on them to be right which again leads to inconsistency and rushed calls

I don't like the Captain's Challenge we have now, I only want it used in try scoring situations instead of the refs referring to the bunker.

 

[JC99]

Can’t say I’m a fan of the captains challenge. Did tigers even use one in their first two games? Refs showed they get it right 99% of the time anyway so I don’t think it’s really needed, i think it just puts more pressure on them to be right which again leads to inconsistency and rushed calls

I don't like the Captain's Challenge we have now, I only want it used in try scoring situations instead of the refs referring to the bunker.

As in the only time they review tries is when there’s a challenge?

 

[cochise]

Can’t say I’m a fan of the captains challenge. Did tigers even use one in their first two games? Refs showed they get it right 99% of the time anyway so I don’t think it’s really needed, i think it just puts more pressure on them to be right which again leads to inconsistency and rushed calls

I don't like the Captain's Challenge we have now, I only want it used in try scoring situations instead of the refs referring to the bunker.

As in the only time they review tries is when there’s a challenge?

100% yes.

 

[Russell]

Too much credence placed on what the NFL are doing imo.

We are trying to speed the game up, NOT slow it down.

 

[JD Tiger]

Can’t say I’m a fan of the captains challenge. Did tigers even use one in their first two games? Refs showed they get it right 99% of the time anyway so I don’t think it’s really needed, i think it just puts more pressure on them to be right which again leads to inconsistency and rushed calls

I don't like the Captain's Challenge we have now, I only want it used in try scoring situations instead of the refs referring to the bunker.

As in the only time they review tries is when there’s a challenge?

100% yes.

I'm happy with it being used in non-try-scoring situations, they can still be match changing situations.

 

[cochise]

Can’t say I’m a fan of the captains challenge. Did tigers even use one in their first two games? Refs showed they get it right 99% of the time anyway so I don’t think it’s really needed, i think it just puts more pressure on them to be right which again leads to inconsistency and rushed calls

I don't like the Captain's Challenge we have now, I only want it used in try scoring situations instead of the refs referring to the bunker.

As in the only time they review tries is when there’s a challenge?

100% yes.

I'm happy with it being used in non-try-scoring situations, they can still be match changing situations.

I hate it in non try scoring situations, wrecks the flow of the game.

 

[cochise]

Too much credence placed on what the NFL are doing imo.

We are trying to speed the game up, NOT slow it down.

That's why I don't recommend that we follow what the NFL are doing. Captain's Challenge in try scoring opportunities only would speed the game up a lot.

 

[JC99]

Can’t say I’m a fan of the captains challenge. Did tigers even use one in their first two games? Refs showed they get it right 99% of the time anyway so I don’t think it’s really needed, i think it just puts more pressure on them to be right which again leads to inconsistency and rushed calls

I don't like the Captain's Challenge we have now, I only want it used in try scoring situations instead of the refs referring to the bunker.

As in the only time they review tries is when there’s a challenge?

100% yes.

Then you get a million people whining when a ref gets it wrong (which they will they’re only human). I think the current video ref system is fine, I just think the bunker shouldn’t really rule on anything else besides tries.

 

[JC99]

Can’t say I’m a fan of the captains challenge. Did tigers even use one in their first two games? Refs showed they get it right 99% of the time anyway so I don’t think it’s really needed, i think it just puts more pressure on them to be right which again leads to inconsistency and rushed calls

I don't like the Captain's Challenge we have now, I only want it used in try scoring situations instead of the refs referring to the bunker.

As in the only time they review tries is when there’s a challenge?

100% yes.

Then you get a million people whining when a ref gets it wrong (which they will they’re only human). I think the current video ref system is fine, I just think the bunker shouldn’t really rule on anything else besides tries.

Bunker doesn’t need to be in the refs ears all game, they can rule on tries and offences that will lead to a sin bin or send off and that’s it. Let the on field refs do everything else, refs have become too reliant on sending it upstairs