One ref

[Tigerlily]

V’landys should fire all NRL grade refs and promote the lower grade refs who are more suited to the one referee formate...I can’t believe the over inflated egos of some of these referees, who do they think they are to basically holding the game to ransom at such a precarious time.

 

[JC99]

V’landys should fire all NRL grade refs and promote the lower grade refs who are more suited to the one referee formate...I can’t believe the over inflated egos of some of these referees, who do they think they are to basically holding the game to ransom at such a precarious time.

They’re not holding the game to ransom - they’re not striking they just want this one ref rule change to be done properly

 

[JC99]

The refs are actually willing to take a bigger pay cut in order to stay with the two ref system

 

[mike]

The refs are actually willing to take a bigger pay cut in order to stay with the two ref system

Hell no. They don’t get it. The two ref experiment has failed. The refs have lost control of the game. They need to re-take control and only use external influences, such as the bunker, as a tool to assist them, not tell them how to ref. There are far two many inconsistence calls when two refs are on the field. We need stability and consistency.

 

[Geo]

I think the Refs know they are not up to it....they would rather share the spotlight on 2 than have it focused on 1...

 

[Russell]

Easy - Sack them all ....nothing lost.

Take tenders from all referees, those currently that are NRL refs, former, lower grade etc.

We only need eight!!!!!

Inmates trying to run the asylum - crazy if you bow down to them.

Put them all together and you wouldn't get ONE good ref.

 

[Hangonaminute]

I'm happy to use this season as an experiment , I like the changes, it's a perfect time to tinker with the game imo because let's get real the season is a write off.

 

[JC99]

The refs are actually willing to take a bigger pay cut in order to stay with the two ref system

Hell no. They don’t get it. The two ref experiment has failed. The refs have lost control of the game. They need to re-take control and only use external influences, such as the bunker, as a tool to assist them, not tell them how to ref. There are far two many inconsistence calls when two refs are on the field. We need stability and consistency.

There’s just as much inconsistency with one ref - that goes down to the rule book. There’s way too many grey areas which means there’s always gonna be different calls for the same things. Giving refs the option to choose between 6 again or a penalty just adds to that.

 

[JC99]

I think the Refs know they are not up to it....they would rather share the spotlight on 2 than have it focused on 1...

Refs could make 0 mistakes in a game and make every single call perfectly and fans of the losing team would still blame them. That’s footy fans for you 😂

 

[innsaneink]

The refs are actually willing to take a bigger pay cut in order to stay with the two ref system

Tough titties

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[mike]

I think the move to one ref at the same time as introducing new rules, is rife for controversy and bad ouctomes for teams. I have heard my least favourite term mentioned in the media too many times already; "how the ref interprets" the situation. With their major responsibility for the ruck and the 10m, I think they're more likely to "interpret" things incorrectly.

And, good on the refs for taking their work conditions up against the bully V'Landys. In that two-cornered contest, I am backing the refs!!!

Even though I have limited knowledge of the Fair Work Commission I am backing V’Landys. The refs can’t tell a business how it should be run. All they can do is ensure they are appropriately compensated and given that none of the refs are losing their position I can’t see them with much to complain about. If a business wants to re-organise itself they entitled to do so. If there are redundancies then employees need to be compensated as required by law.

 

[JD Tiger]

I think the move to one ref at the same time as introducing new rules, is rife for controversy and bad ouctomes for teams. I have heard my least favourite term mentioned in the media too many times already; "how the ref interprets" the situation. With their major responsibility for the ruck and the 10m, I think they're more likely to "interpret" things incorrectly.

And, good on the refs for taking their work conditions up against the bully V'Landys. In that two-cornered contest, I am backing the refs!!!

Even though I have limited knowledge of the Fair Work Commission I am backing V’Landys. The refs can’t tell a business how it should be run. All they can do is ensure they are appropriately compensated and given that none of the refs are losing their position I can’t see them with much to complain about. If a business wants to re-organise itself they entitled to do so. If there are redundancies then employees need to be compensated as required by law.

I haven't seen the fine print, but I noticed when the NRL announced the change from two refs to one, they very clearly said no full-time referee would lose their job. So any part-time referees or full-time/part-time touch judges could be shown the door.

At least the drama atm isn't another player playing up.

 

[gallagher]

LATEST: Mediation with the referees has failed. Legal proceedings Thursday. Refs won’t budge. They want two referee system. Strike action still a possibility but referees saying they want to avoid that. @NRLonNine @9NewsSyd
https://twitter.com/Danny_Weidler/status/1262574358553223168?s=19

We attended the FWC hoping this matter could be resolved today. Unfortunately, it has not been the case. We’re determined to protect the rights of our members & the integrity of the Game. This matter will now proceed to arbitration. We’re confident it will be finalised by May 28.
https://twitter.com/PRLMOinc/status/1262582409125494787?s=19

Integrity of the game? There's only 2 refs at one level of the game, getting back to the rules of rugby league isnt threatening the integrity of the game.

 

[WT2K]

The Fair Work Commission will rule on a dispute between referees and the NRL. Image by Dan Himbrechts/AAP PHOTOS
RUGBY LEAGUE

Refs acting in self-interest: V’landys
By Scott Bailey and Matt Encarnacion

May 19, 2020

ARL Commission chief Peter V’landys has accused the NRL’s referees of self-interest after peace talks failed, prompting arbitration proceedings.

The NRL and referees’ union met with the Fair Work Commission for three hours without progress on Tuesday, following the decision to revert to one whistleblower.

They will now head for arbitration on Friday, where a result will be achieved.

It means the restart of the season will not be delayed and strike action is out of the question.

But V’landys remains furious, claiming the issue is presenting an unwanted distraction for the game as it tries to pool its energy into a return.

“The thing that is disappointing is the self-interest,” V’landys told AAP.

“Every other party … The coaches haven’t agreed to everything, the players haven’t agreed to everything. But they have been in the trenches.

“But these guys don’t care about the game, and they made that very obvious today. Very clear.

“They’re only interested in themselves.”

V’landys claimed part of the referees’ grievance came from a lack of a desire to take a pay cut in line with the rest of the game.

It’s understood an objection to the cuts formed part of the Professional Rugby League Match Officials” claim on Tuesday.

The referees union then made an offer to take a pay cut on Wednesday, but only if the two-referee system remained.

That was quickly rejected by the league, who are insistent they will not stick with two whistleblowers regardless of what offer is made.

“The commission itself is on 25 per cent less. The NRL executive are on 25 per cent less, the players are on 20 per cent less,” V’landys said.

“But these guys want 100 per cent.

“They know we won’t accept (an offer to stick with two referees).

“They could have put in there that they will work for free and they’re not going to accept it.

“And they’re absolutely spending a lot of money, hundreds of thousands of dollars, taking us to arbitration so that we go back to two referees.

“The spin that is coming out of these guys, could make a record player go.”

The NRL has insisted the move to one referee is as much about speeding the game up, while also saving costs.

It was originally met with opposition from players and coaches, but most have now claimed they just want the game to begin and are willing to see if it and the six-again rule for ruck infringements work.

Union boss Silvio Del Vecchio said he was disappointed with the result, but would not hold up the season and strike – regardless of the outcome this week.

“Very, very disappointing,” Del Vecchio said.

“Today the commissioner was there and he acted as the go-between to help the parties come together.

“But on Thursday or Friday, whenever it is, the commissioner will table the information, table the evidence and make a ruling.

“They make a call one way or another.”
https://www.aap.com.au/refs-rule-out-strike-as-nrl-talks-fail/

 

[happy_tiger]

The game can't live without refs and they put up with a lot of crap

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I'm happy to use this season as an experiment , I like the changes, it's a perfect time to tinker with the game imo because let's get real the season is a write off.

I feel like the rule changes being pushed through quickly , is because of the opportunity we have to showcase the game , and like it or not the game in the last few years has become really tactical and sometimes boring . And yes , a penalty a thon.
I think it’s out of line , and opportunistic from the refs . Especially when you consider all contracts will be honoured . The Sutton’s are a mess. The KPIs they strive to hit , should never have been put in place , and in fact the only metric should be “did I notice you , or not “ . Giving autonomy to the refs is a good thing . Even if what people say is true , in that they don’t have the confidence , this should reinforce this . But it’s always been perspective to me .
Phil Gould said recently that many of the top refs have never played before . He can be a mug , but if that’s true , no wonder the disconnect between what the refs view is a good game , and everyone else .

 

[cochise]

I'm happy to use this season as an experiment , I like the changes, it's a perfect time to tinker with the game imo because let's get real the season is a write off.

I feel like the rule changes being pushed through quickly , is because of the opportunity we have to showcase the game , and like it or not the game in the last few years has become really tactical and sometimes boring . And yes , a penalty a thon.
I think it’s out of line , and opportunistic from the refs . Especially when you consider all contracts will be honoured . The Sutton’s are a mess. The KPIs they strive to hit , should never have been put in place , and in fact the only metric should be “did I notice you , or not “ . Giving autonomy to the refs is a good thing . Even if what people say is true , in that they don’t have the confidence , this should reinforce this . But it’s always been perspective to me .
Phil Gould said recently that many of the top refs have never played before . He can be a mug , but if that’s true , no wonder the disconnect between what the refs view is a good game , and everyone else .

There has always been a lot of refs who never played the game, I don't think it makes any difference to be honest.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I'm happy to use this season as an experiment , I like the changes, it's a perfect time to tinker with the game imo because let's get real the season is a write off.

I feel like the rule changes being pushed through quickly , is because of the opportunity we have to showcase the game , and like it or not the game in the last few years has become really tactical and sometimes boring . And yes , a penalty a thon.
I think it’s out of line , and opportunistic from the refs . Especially when you consider all contracts will be honoured . The Sutton’s are a mess. The KPIs they strive to hit , should never have been put in place , and in fact the only metric should be “did I notice you , or not “ . Giving autonomy to the refs is a good thing . Even if what people say is true , in that they don’t have the confidence , this should reinforce this . But it’s always been perspective to me .
Phil Gould said recently that many of the top refs have never played before . He can be a mug , but if that’s true , no wonder the disconnect between what the refs view is a good game , and everyone else .

There has always been a lot of refs who never played the game, I don't think it makes any difference to be honest.

It’s fine if you’re an Eddie ward , Tim Mander , Bill Harrigan type , who all develop distinct styles and command , and general flow of the game was important . But if it’s KPIs and Hitting targets , and you’ve never played before , so you don’t understand little nuances , how does that not lead to “rule enforcement” rather than “game mangement”. Cause there would be a penalty in every tackle if you looked hard enough.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I'm happy to use this season as an experiment , I like the changes, it's a perfect time to tinker with the game imo because let's get real the season is a write off.

I feel like the rule changes being pushed through quickly , is because of the opportunity we have to showcase the game , and like it or not the game in the last few years has become really tactical and sometimes boring . And yes , a penalty a thon.
I think it’s out of line , and opportunistic from the refs . Especially when you consider all contracts will be honoured . The Sutton’s are a mess. The KPIs they strive to hit , should never have been put in place , and in fact the only metric should be “did I notice you , or not “ . Giving autonomy to the refs is a good thing . Even if what people say is true , in that they don’t have the confidence , this should reinforce this . But it’s always been perspective to me .
Phil Gould said recently that many of the top refs have never played before . He can be a mug , but if that’s true , no wonder the disconnect between what the refs view is a good game , and everyone else .

There has always been a lot of refs who never played the game, I don't think it makes any difference to be honest.

I just think the whole thing is bad juju. I want the refs to be paid well and feel empowered . Whatever that looks like . But to pull this crap right now , considering what’s at stake , is not ok . Regardless of what you think about V’landys. Getting the game on is the most important thing